- Location
- United States
I think looking abroad to watch Tien for Tien style isn't worthwhile.
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
As noted in the update — both in terms of the skill-up and in terms of Kakara having created one, on-screen, to prove a point to Dazarel — it will.
You basically have already and your joint conclusions were that your psychic gifts were the way to go.
You can take it, it just won't look like conventional training. Much more her cultivating a mindset. While trying not to think too hard about it. But remaining focused on it.
Trying out my full dose made everything come sharply and suddenly into focus in a way I haven't experienced since I first got glasses. Normally, time is melty. I blink and hours fly past, lost on trivialities, or I get stuck in a five-minute time span that feels like a day. Things slide away from my notice and vanish. On the meds, time isstable and reliable. A minute feels like a minute. An hour feels like an hour. And I can keep my focus on tasks very easily. It isn't that I don't notice distractions, but when I do, and even when I give into them for a moment, the thing I need to be focused on stays in the back of my mind where it's supposed to, and doesn't just fall off.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Ah, that flew right over my head.As noted in the update — both in terms of the skill-up and in terms of Kakara having created one, on-screen, to prove a point to Dazarel — it will.
I'd forgotten about this.
Okay, I'm happy to drop something in favour of Genki Dama training. In variant #2, obviously it'll be one of Solar Flare or Instant Transmission; probably the latter, as hopefully the Solar Flare will benefit from the synergy of training a bunch of other Tien Style stuff.
In variant #1, I think it'd have to be the Dodonpa, the Kikoho or the Ki Refinement. I'll have a think.
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
- Location
- Colombia
how..how does that work?, most attacks i can imagine being mental constructs, but the genkidama is external, does kakara conjure a ball of superheated ki inside the head of her host?, that seems kinda rude.As noted in the update — both in terms of the skill-up and in terms of Kakara having created one, on-screen, to prove a point to Dazarel — it will.
Glad to see this updated!
And besides, I think training the process of gathering ki and mental state itself is just as important as anything more physical regarding Genki Dama.
Well, since in training Kakara and Bassoon already devastated his mental landscapes multiple times...
And besides, I think training the process of gathering ki and mental state itself is just as important as anything more physical regarding Genki Dama.
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
- Location
- Colombia
not what i meant, if the attacks on the mental scape are real then they consume chakra, if they dont then why would the genkidama, if the genkidama is real then were is it physically? and if its real then we can pull the same trick of absorving the genkidama by giving our good budy the energy when he needs it.
i proposse we train this assap, i really want a super namekian.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
You're right that modern Tien Style isn't the same thing as Crane Style, but we can potentially learn a lot from Tien using his moves differently. We're already likely to diverge somewhat, given our lack of actual teachers.
I don't really get what you mean, but if we can share Spirit Saiyan energy with Bassoon we might be able to have *him* fight the enemy arcosian, which would preserve the secrecy of our existence.
And if he fails, we can then still materialise relatively fresh to fight a tired opponent.
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
- Location
- Colombia
this exactly is what i mean. not native englush speacker so maybe i mess up on traslation.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
She has no idea.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Ah, correction! I was sleepy and posting during a bathroom break, so I misread. Protecting others, that one does not reduce naturally down to your internal mental gifts, for of course obvious reasons. That one is worth some investment if you want means of making it happen. Bassoon's pretty widely traveled, even, so he'd be a good choice for making it happen.
Here's an alt version that should be hopefully reasonably reflective of what you've been thinking.
[] Plan I'll Show *You* Who's A Slug 0.8
-[] Sight (2 Sight AP + 1 Free AP)
--[] Continue Your Training (2 AP)
--[] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Tien Style]: Utilize our Sight to view Tien himself and/or historical Masters of Tien Style, to supplement our own Style Training (Free AP)
-[] Training (3 AP + 3 Free AP)
--[] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Dodonpa]
--[] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Kikoho]
--[] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Crowd Fighting]
--[] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Genki Dama] (Free AP)
--[] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style] (Free AP)
--[] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Perfect Multiform] (Free AP)
-[] Social (2 AP)
--[] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP)
--[] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP)
-[] The Outside World (1 Free AP)
--[] Instruction (Free AP)
-[] A Cause (1 AP)
--[] Shield Training (1 AP)
It's probably eventually possible to config the lightning shield to be an area of effect defense? Plus, it's something that we know already works against her go to magic last we saw her. Probably the only way we're going to get a better tool for dealing with debuffs would be jumping into trying some sort of ki hypnosis technique and that's dubious and longer term prospect.
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- Location
- Italy
I tend to agree. We qualify for exactly two elite skills, and I see no reason why we shouldn't aim for both. They're both quite the trick after all, and should make us much stronger when used properly.
...ok, technically three, but I'm not counting Machine Sense as we're not going to take it over All Is One, and we can likely do better for legendary talents.
even if, admittedly, being able to sense ships would help, and maybe we could even sense the Androids Ki from where we are. but All Is One is just immensely better suited to Kakara, especially with the Genkidama.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Ok, I feel like I am missing something obvious. Is there anything that stops us from just, using future sight to see which of the asshole princes is coming to the planet? Like, if they are already with the fleet, there shouldn't be much variation among the possible futures, with the exception that if they learn that there is a saiyan then the strongest among them will call dibs and come.
It feels like we are overcomplicating things a bit. Why go on an unreliable stealth mission if we can just spend 1 AP to check?
It feels like we are overcomplicating things a bit. Why go on an unreliable stealth mission if we can just spend 1 AP to check?
- Location
- United States
Kakara has tried once or twice. We only got glimpses of them in armor, stuff like that where it's not clear who it is.
That said, we did narrow it down to two based on color. One is the weakest, Haila, who we could beat, and one is absolutely out of our league.
Realistically, I think it has to be Haila? Our vision of the Emperor coming around in a rage if we attack the Arcosian before they invade Namek implies that, if we attack, we'd do something bad to the leader of the invasion and then escape. If it's the strong one, we probably wouldn't accomplish anything and probably wouldn't escape, so no reason for the Emperor to get upset, and no reason for the Emperor to ask where we are.
That said, while I'm like 85% sure, we probably need 99%+ given that if we're wrong New Namek burns.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
I mean, even if he is the weakest, there is still that prophesy we made, that if some condition that we still don't know is not fulfilled then Namek is destroyed anyways.
- Location
- United States
So, this is wildly incomplete, but what I'm looking at at the moment:
[] Plan Totally Tentative
-[] The Sight (2 AP)
--[] Continue Your Training
--[] ???
-[] Training (3 AP + 5 Free AP)
--[] Improve a Skill [Crowd Fighting]
--[] Improve a Skill [Kikoho]
--[] Improve a Skill [???]
--[] Improve a Skill [???]
--[] To Go Beyond [Perfect Multiform]
--[] To Go Beyond [All is One]
--[] Style Training [Tenshinhan Style]
--[] Style Training [Tenshinhan Style]
-[] Social (2 AP)
--[] Strengthen Host Bond
--[] Talk to Dazarel
-[] A Cause (1 AP)
--[] Improve a Skill [Genki Dama]
There's a fair bit of flex there, but highlights:
I want to do a lot of training. Big fights are coming, both against (hopefully) Haila and against Super Saiyans back home. We gotta get swole.
Looking Abroad is tempting as way to get an extra pseudo-training AP, but I don't really know how useful it'll be. Watching Tien is a bad call in Kakara's eyes, and frankly I don't know how easy it is to learn something by watching someone else really good do it when they're not trying to teach it, even if we're watching Saiyan users of Tenshinhan style. I'm not going to start sinking 3-pointers by watching a few basketball games, even if I focus really really hard on it. It's probably more useful when you don't know how to start, but I don't think we want to begin any new research projects right now.
Crowd fighting is almost ticked up. Kikoho is a great move. Perfect Multiform and All is One are great. We have to grind Tenshinhan style up quickly to make use of it. Genki Dama is great - I'm not sure if it'll be too infohazardous against Haila, but against Dandeer it's perfect (and from Jaffur/Jaron we know you can donate Ki even while sealed, though maybe not while merely mind controlled?).
That leaves us with the rest of our training AP. Not wild about starting a research project right now, as much as I've pushed for Thundershock Surprise in the past. Ki Refinement and Dodonpa are both solid options, though they both just ticked up. Overdrive is neat but Perfect Multiform might be a better stamina-draining trump card. Solar Flare is fine. Instant Transmission is reasonable, but it might be weaker than normal when we're planning on fighting in a Katchin cage. If we can just train straight-up stamina, I'd love to do that, since Overdrive and Perfect Multiform both basically let us trade stamina for asskicking.
Social options seem straightforward. Host bond is necessary for the Namek fight. Dazarel is a low priority but something we want to spend time on as available, and we don't have Perika around right now, so we're freer than usual.
[] Plan Totally Tentative
-[] The Sight (2 AP)
--[] Continue Your Training
--[] ???
-[] Training (3 AP + 5 Free AP)
--[] Improve a Skill [Crowd Fighting]
--[] Improve a Skill [Kikoho]
--[] Improve a Skill [???]
--[] Improve a Skill [???]
--[] To Go Beyond [Perfect Multiform]
--[] To Go Beyond [All is One]
--[] Style Training [Tenshinhan Style]
--[] Style Training [Tenshinhan Style]
-[] Social (2 AP)
--[] Strengthen Host Bond
--[] Talk to Dazarel
-[] A Cause (1 AP)
--[] Improve a Skill [Genki Dama]
There's a fair bit of flex there, but highlights:
I want to do a lot of training. Big fights are coming, both against (hopefully) Haila and against Super Saiyans back home. We gotta get swole.
Looking Abroad is tempting as way to get an extra pseudo-training AP, but I don't really know how useful it'll be. Watching Tien is a bad call in Kakara's eyes, and frankly I don't know how easy it is to learn something by watching someone else really good do it when they're not trying to teach it, even if we're watching Saiyan users of Tenshinhan style. I'm not going to start sinking 3-pointers by watching a few basketball games, even if I focus really really hard on it. It's probably more useful when you don't know how to start, but I don't think we want to begin any new research projects right now.
Crowd fighting is almost ticked up. Kikoho is a great move. Perfect Multiform and All is One are great. We have to grind Tenshinhan style up quickly to make use of it. Genki Dama is great - I'm not sure if it'll be too infohazardous against Haila, but against Dandeer it's perfect (and from Jaffur/Jaron we know you can donate Ki even while sealed, though maybe not while merely mind controlled?).
That leaves us with the rest of our training AP. Not wild about starting a research project right now, as much as I've pushed for Thundershock Surprise in the past. Ki Refinement and Dodonpa are both solid options, though they both just ticked up. Overdrive is neat but Perfect Multiform might be a better stamina-draining trump card. Solar Flare is fine. Instant Transmission is reasonable, but it might be weaker than normal when we're planning on fighting in a Katchin cage. If we can just train straight-up stamina, I'd love to do that, since Overdrive and Perfect Multiform both basically let us trade stamina for asskicking.
Social options seem straightforward. Host bond is necessary for the Namek fight. Dazarel is a low priority but something we want to spend time on as available, and we don't have Perika around right now, so we're freer than usual.
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
It will likely become clear, with time, that any of Kakara's available hosts are the, "right," ones, from the perspective of offering something vital to her journey.
Generally, your Sight has been fighting you on this one (low rolls) and you've only been getting brief flashes. This prince seems to be exceptionally cautious about his identity leaking, presumably because he understands the strategic significance of it.
(This does actually narrow down who it is likely to be, but no further than other hints already did.)
As googlyeyesultra observes, Kakara is mostly sure, at this point, that it is Haila -- cultivating that uncertainty pays off best for him in this situation, and realistically even if New Namek were ten times more powerful than it is, Haila alone would still be massive overkill -- but the downside potential of the assumptions she's using to derive that guess being wrong is apocalyptic. She really wants to make sure of her guess before committing to this. After all, even if it's not one of the others foreseeing these assumptions and deliberately playing into them to bait out enemies...it's a big empire. Haila might just be busy. It might not be a matter of whether or not it made sense to send him. He might just be tied up on the other side of the galaxy and unavailable to come.
She needs to be sure.
"A grimness that deeply troubles you falls over your host as the fleet readies itself to make way for Tamrii."
This part troubles me, too. Seems like our low Historical Insight roll has damaged Bassoon's morale. Or maybe it's just the shadow of his people's potential demise. Either way, it would be tragic if that caused him to make a mistake during this mission. Hopefully we succeed and can turn his mood around.
This part troubles me, too. Seems like our low Historical Insight roll has damaged Bassoon's morale. Or maybe it's just the shadow of his people's potential demise. Either way, it would be tragic if that caused him to make a mistake during this mission. Hopefully we succeed and can turn his mood around.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Dazarel quite bluntly informs you that you'll never be capable of it. A psychic with a focus on external mental gifts could do that kind of thing, but psychic telepathy as all psychics are otherwise capable of is just a faster means of transmitting speech. The bottleneck is still the speed at which the learner can internalize new data.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
All right, vote is open!
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] Plan: Prepare to Win or Lose
-[X] Sight (2 AP + 1/5 Free AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP): Follow Dazarel's training regime.
--[X] Future Options (1 AP): Try to pierce the odd veil around your host options, revealing a chosen option's identity for the next time you need to find a new host.
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Invasion of Namek]: Use your Sight to look into a topic of your choice to the best of your abilities.
-[X] Training (3 AP + 1/5 Free AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Crowd Fighting [Talented]: You've been working on improving your technique here, drawing on your recent advancements in hand-to-hand, and made excellent progress. Another push, and you'll be something truly special.]: Please note that you can no longer directly train super-skills like Hand-to-Hand or Ki Manipulation.
--[X] New Skills (1 AP) [Four Witches Technique]: Acquire any skill of which Kakara knows, at an appropriate starting level. The skill's theory and practice must be things to which Kakara has access.
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tenshinhan Style [Novice]: 6/10 progress to the next level.]: Make training rolls towards leveling up one of your combat styles.
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Ki Sense [Exceptional]: May freely train to, "Elite," with "Machine Sense," and, "All Is One," as possible Elite Talents. You are starting to get brief, intermittent flashes of that transcendent sense of oneness from the Genki Dama.]: Select either Ki Sense or Multiform and begin training it to Elite+ levels.
-[X] Social (2 AP + 2/5 Free AP)
--[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP): Deepen the metaphysical connection you have with Bassoon by running experiments with him and exploring his mindscape.
--[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP): Spend significant time and focused effort trying to connect with Dazarel. Train him in the use of ki in order to give him a path forward that does not involve murder.
--[X] General Training (2 AP): Continue imparting knowledge and power onto your teammates for this mission.
-[X] The Outside World (0 AP + 1/5 Free AP)
--[X] Instruction (1 AP): Bassoon makes a concerted effort to train his power level and abilities this month, and you directly assist him.
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Anything (AP Variable):
---[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Genki Dama [Unlearned]:]: Please note that you can no longer directly train super-skills like Hand-to-Hand or Ki Manipulation.
-[X] Sight (2 AP + 1/5 Free AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP): Follow Dazarel's training regime.
--[X] Future Options (1 AP): Try to pierce the odd veil around your host options, revealing a chosen option's identity for the next time you need to find a new host.
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Invasion of Namek]: Use your Sight to look into a topic of your choice to the best of your abilities.
-[X] Training (3 AP + 1/5 Free AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Crowd Fighting [Talented]: You've been working on improving your technique here, drawing on your recent advancements in hand-to-hand, and made excellent progress. Another push, and you'll be something truly special.]: Please note that you can no longer directly train super-skills like Hand-to-Hand or Ki Manipulation.
--[X] New Skills (1 AP) [Four Witches Technique]: Acquire any skill of which Kakara knows, at an appropriate starting level. The skill's theory and practice must be things to which Kakara has access.
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tenshinhan Style [Novice]: 6/10 progress to the next level.]: Make training rolls towards leveling up one of your combat styles.
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Ki Sense [Exceptional]: May freely train to, "Elite," with "Machine Sense," and, "All Is One," as possible Elite Talents. You are starting to get brief, intermittent flashes of that transcendent sense of oneness from the Genki Dama.]: Select either Ki Sense or Multiform and begin training it to Elite+ levels.
-[X] Social (2 AP + 2/5 Free AP)
--[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP): Deepen the metaphysical connection you have with Bassoon by running experiments with him and exploring his mindscape.
--[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP): Spend significant time and focused effort trying to connect with Dazarel. Train him in the use of ki in order to give him a path forward that does not involve murder.
--[X] General Training (2 AP): Continue imparting knowledge and power onto your teammates for this mission.
-[X] The Outside World (0 AP + 1/5 Free AP)
--[X] Instruction (1 AP): Bassoon makes a concerted effort to train his power level and abilities this month, and you directly assist him.
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Anything (AP Variable):
---[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Genki Dama [Unlearned]:]: Please note that you can no longer directly train super-skills like Hand-to-Hand or Ki Manipulation.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
My previously discussed plans, with replacements made for Genki Dama as discussed:
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - General Training
-[X] Sight (2 AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Tien Style]: Utilize our Sight to view Tien himself and/or historical Masters of Tien Style, to supplement our own Style Training (Free AP)
-[X] Training (3 + 3 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Dodonpa]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Kikoho]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Crowd Fighting]
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Perfect Multiform] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Ki Sense - All Is One] (Free AP)
-[X] Social (2 + 2 AP)
--[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP)
--[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP)
--[X] General Training (2 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (1 Free AP)
--[X] Instruction (Free AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Genki Dama]
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - Solar Flare and Ki Refinement
-[X] Sight (2 AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Tien Style]: Utilize our Sight to view Tien himself and/or historical Masters of Tien Style, to supplement our own Style Training (Free AP)
-[X] Training (3 + 5 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Dodonpa]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Kikoho]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Crowd Fighting]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Solar Flare] (Free AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Genki Dama] (Free AP)
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Perfect Multiform] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Ki Sense - All Is One] (Free AP)
-[X] Social (2 AP)
--[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP)
--[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (1 Free AP)
--[X] Instruction (Free AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Ki Refinement]
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - General Training
-[X] Sight (2 AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Tien Style]: Utilize our Sight to view Tien himself and/or historical Masters of Tien Style, to supplement our own Style Training (Free AP)
-[X] Training (3 + 3 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Dodonpa]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Kikoho]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Crowd Fighting]
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Perfect Multiform] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Ki Sense - All Is One] (Free AP)
-[X] Social (2 + 2 AP)
--[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP)
--[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP)
--[X] General Training (2 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (1 Free AP)
--[X] Instruction (Free AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Genki Dama]
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - Solar Flare and Ki Refinement
-[X] Sight (2 AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Tien Style]: Utilize our Sight to view Tien himself and/or historical Masters of Tien Style, to supplement our own Style Training (Free AP)
-[X] Training (3 + 5 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Dodonpa]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Kikoho]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Crowd Fighting]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Solar Flare] (Free AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Genki Dama] (Free AP)
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Perfect Multiform] (Free AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Ki Sense - All Is One] (Free AP)
-[X] Social (2 AP)
--[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP)
--[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (1 Free AP)
--[X] Instruction (Free AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Ki Refinement]