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Please calm down a bit? I'm not intending to do anything unreasonable, and you seem to be treating me as an enemy.
raised eyebrow everything about me you just said is wrong. I am neither treating you as an enemy nor uncalm.

I am answering your question. I am using precise framing to minimize ambiguity because, somehow, being repeatedly told to spoiler all RP discussion has not made it clear to you what part of 'all RP discussion is all RP discussion'. Like. I would have no need to respond at all if more ordinary framing was clear to you, because literally no one else I have seen has been confused by 'what is an RP spoiler'. Thus, I went to, you know, clear but convoluted explanation because I clearly cannot simply rely on 'common sense will make my meaning clear on the topic of RP spoilers' or else one of the many previous times someone has tried to explain it to you would have sufficed.

That is all that happened. You are reading things into it that are not there.
 
Please calm down a bit? I'm not intending to do anything unreasonable, and you seem to be treating me as an enemy.
People are getting frustrated because it's an extraordinarily simple rule, and the fact that you keep somehow falling foul of it and repeatedly asking questions about a rule as simple as "spoiler everything related" frankly looks like you're doing so with malicious intent. While most people are generally inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, you've rather used that up given that you've then broken this rule literally a dozen times IIRC.

You've demonstrated that at best you are somehow not capable of understanding what is and isn't related, which rather beggars belief. In the future, If it's even slightly related to the RP, even if you don't think it qualifies, just spoiler it anyway because apparently your judgement on the subject is fundamentally flawed and people are running out of patience.
 
If it can only be found in the RP, it is an RP spoiler.
Alright then. I think this is just a thing about definitions of the word 'spoiler' - I mentally class "this info is canon but will never be relevant to the plot" as 'supplementary material', regardless of the source. If you want to ban discussions of all spoilers and supplementary material from Days of Future Past, that's your prerogative (and I will comply with it).
(Is my definition really that rare, though?)
I think the chances of it working are so low it's not even worth considering. After all if the otherworld is closed off in fear of the enemy, passage to the other universes is most likely closed as well, and half of the dragonballs would be in U6.

That's without considering how the gods are more than likely keeping an eye on them.

We also don't know the language. I think that, in the end, wishing for the super dragonballs it's just not worth it. We'd need AT LEAST 2 wishes to get them (for the dragonballs and for the language), and I completely expect BOTH of these wishes to fail.

tl;dr: not interested.
I want it asked in-character, because I like seeing people try the obvious thing. I don't actually want to get a SDB wish, unless it has vastly harsher limits than I would expect, but I want Kakara to have enough common sense to check.
(Please don't say "but what if the Namekians are scared of us for asking". It's just nowhere near the level of concern that should prevent Kakara from confirming that the I Win button doesn't work.)
Didn't we already have a conversation about killing and resurrecting Garenhuld and pop, with Poptart actually saying that no, To Kakara it's still murder? I could have sword we did, but maybe I remember wrong.
True. I suspect we had different mental images of how it would work, though. Besides, we could always ask if ki donation would let Porunga do it for us.
Or possibly Kai Kai if we can get THAT through a wish. THAT ONE I'd really like (even If I expect it to be beyond Porunga too as he'd need to get the knowledge of the technique from Shin, a God.
Ah, I just worry that it wouldn't solve our stealth problem. I mean, it would presumably make us a lot more powerful in Masque, but "a mysterious, incredibly powerful human using ridiculously powerful martial arts" is still quite a bit more of a mystery than "Oh no, the Namekians summoned a friendly version of Metal Cooler". Also, oddly enough, harder to hide.

But I admit I'm emotionally invested in this, and that could be blinding me to a better solution. Are you willing to brainstorm Things We Want A Wish To Do For Us, at some point in the near future, in such a manner that you'll be willing to commit to whatever we come up with? Because I would be down for that.
 
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Kakara iirc has a rather "childish" understanding of pacifism in so far that violence is bad because it's violence. So even if the act was killing someone and then reviving, she'd still object.

Tbf, so would I. There's better options anyways given the breadth of possible wishes.
 
Kakara iirc has a rather "childish" understanding of pacifism in so far that violence is bad because it's violence. So even if the act was killing someone and then reviving, she'd still object.

Tbf, so would I. There's better options anyways given the breadth of possible wishes.
...You should really catch up, there's no real way to answer this without getting into spoilers.
 
I caught up on the thread awhile ago, back when I first suggested a ss4-god-ultra instinct hybrid.
 
Kakara iirc has a rather "childish" understanding of pacifism in so far that violence is bad because it's violence. So even if the act was killing someone and then reviving, she'd still object.

Tbf, so would I. There's better options anyways given the breadth of possible wishes.
I caught up on the thread awhile ago, back when I first suggested a ss4-god-ultra instinct hybrid.
If you're caught up on story posts, then this isn't a spoiler:

Protector [Foundational Trait]: Meerak forced you to confront the question of what kind of person you really are. It was a painful year, figuring out the answer, but now you have it. You have your powers so that you can keep people safe. Everybody. Even those who don't want to be. People who are working to hurt others need to be stopped, but that doesn't mean you need to sink to their level. At the end of the day, the wicked need to be stopped, but you aren't them -- and you won't become them. That might mean that you need to talk them down, or it might mean that you need to fight. So be it. But no matter what, you know one thing about yourself: Thou shalt not kill. You gain heavy vote weighting against the use of lethal force on sapient beings, and will never default to it of your own will, even against Hated Enemies. The use of lethal force will never be presented as a default option; the players must write such options in if they want them. However, Kakara now gains a moderate bonus on all checks made in service of actions taken to protect the lives or safety of others. You no longer encounter barriers or penalties to combat skill training. This trait may, still, be developed further. There are no exceptions to this trait. Kakara will never think killing is morally right, or that anybody deserves death, even if that is written in. The players can make Kakara kill somebody. They cannot make her think it was the right thing to do.

Now while you can disagree with the text of this Trait, I think it's disingenuous to say it's "childish".
 
Protector was explicitly stated to be a continuation from her pacifism trait, it remanifesting it self in a different way, hence why I called it that. What I said still applies, she dislikes violence and killing, and thus wouldn't wish to destroy a planet.

I put quotation marks around childish for a reason lol. I don't think it actually is.
 
But I admit I'm emotionally invested in this, and that could be blinding me to a better solution. Are you willing to brainstorm Things We Want A Wish To Do For Us, at some point in the near future, in such a manner that you'll be willing to commit to whatever we come up with? Because I would be down for that.
eh, we already have quite a list of potential wishes to make, and I'm mostly fine with them. I'm not even that much against the super db attempt.

We're likely going to spend quite a bit of time discussing this topic once this trip is over and we're actually a turn or two away from said wishes. I'm not much interested in discussing it again this soon, I think we'd basically repeat our own positions and nothing more.

Give it some time for things to change.

Generally speaking though I don't think you'll ever convince me of a "make kakara a spaceship/robot army" wish.
 
Protector was explicitly stated to be a continuation from her pacifism trait, it remanifesting it self in a different way, hence why I called it that. What I said still applies, she dislikes violence and killing, and thus wouldn't wish to destroy a planet.

I put quotation marks around childish for a reason lol. I don't think it actually is.
okay but an adult is a continuation of a child and is not called childish unless they have child like traits in the here and now. This is a silly way to describe it.
 
Generally speaking though I don't think you'll ever convince me of a "make kakara a spaceship/robot army" wish.
I'm nearly certain you're already aware of this, but the proposed wish would be for an object that could theoretically be passed down to her grandchildren, rather than changing her specifically.
(I'm a bit scared of not discussing it until the vote is nearly upon us. I don't know if a single one of my own plans has been passed in this Quest, despite me putting many hours of work into them, and sometimes earning a fair bit of support.)
 
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I'm nearly certain you're already aware of this, but the proposed wish would be for an object that could theoretically be passed down to her grandchildren, rather than changing her specifically.
(I'm a bit scared of not discussing it until the vote is nearly upon us. I don't know if a single one of my own plans has been passed in this Quest, despite me putting many hours of work into them, and sometimes earning a fair bit of support.)
generally speaking if a plan is good, even if it doesn't win parts of it are used for other plans, so it's not that bad.

Other than that I'm not saying to not discuss it literally up to the moment of the wish, but as of right now said wish is probably months of real time away, so I'm in no rush. Also we already discussed this not so long ago, and I don't expect talks to go beyond a "repeat points already stated" as of right now
 
Alright then. I think this is just a thing about definitions of the word 'spoiler' - I mentally class "this info is canon but will never be relevant to the plot" as 'supplementary material', regardless of the source. If you want to ban discussions of all spoilers and supplementary material from Days of Future Past, that's your prerogative (and I will comply with it).
(Is my definition really that rare, though?)
A spoiler is something which reveals information about a text without the recipient of said information having read the text. Something is a spoiler of a given work if it said work is the source of that information. Saying that Vader is Luke's father is a spoiler for Star Wars, because that is the source of that information; saying that gravity is a function of mass is not a spoiler of one's high school physics textbooks, because, ultimately, that information is general knowledge imparted to the vast majority of individuals by sources other than the textbooks, which are designed to codify and organize information, rather than impart it absent instruction.

If the information that FPSSJ maxes out at a combined power level of 1.125 billion is available in both the quest and the RP, then it is not a spoiler of the RP, because the source is, in fact, a fanfiction I read years ago; more pertinently to most of the players, the source is the quest. If there is precise information on the power levels of SSJ2 and onward in the RP, but not in the quest, then that would be a spoiler for the RP, because the fanfiction I read seems to have died or be dying and never hit that point, the quest hasn't made it to a point where that information would arise, and the RP is the only place using this system most players would have available.

This is the definition in general use; it is the definition we will use.
 
Kakara iirc has a rather "childish" understanding of pacifism in so far that violence is bad because it's violence. So even if the act was killing someone and then reviving, she'd still object.

Tbf, so would I. There's better options anyways given the breadth of possible wishes.
Okay, then you should know that that's explicitly not her idea of pacifism anymore and hasn't been since... Year 3, IIRC?
Lets talk to Guru about that the next time we see him, he's old and unlike the rest of our race he has a different outlook on life then them which while we don't approve of we can still understand. His experience with death could definitely be benefit to us since his planet has faced extinction a number of times yet most Namekins still look like altruistic people I'd say he has Experience in people wanting to avoid death. I also think we could probably get a coping mechanism out of him, might as well nip that problem in the bud while we're here.
 
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You seem to have written this as a counterargument, and that would mean there's been a mixup somewhere. At this point I'm willing to drop it, but I don't want to leave us on bad terms. Are we?
I have written it in an attempt to ensure that this doesn't come up again. It is passing disruptive at this point. We are leaving this on bad terms only if there is still confusion remaining or you are unwilling to accept the ruling I've offered.
 
I have written it in an attempt to ensure that this doesn't come up again. It is passing disruptive at this point. We are leaving this on bad terms only if there is still confusion remaining or you are unwilling to accept the ruling I've offered.
I'm afraid there is some confusion remaining, and if that means you hate me... there's really nothing I can do about that.
I can try to reassure you, at least. My current interpretation of the spoiler policy is: "All discussion of RP-specific info is considered spoilers for purposes of the spoiler policy, regardless of whether it fits a strict definition of the word 'spoiler'."
(I would ask, if you think that's a good wording, that you put that in the main spoiler policy box. Please.)
...Something about this situation puts me in mind of this SMBC comic:
Simon, did you realize this would be rude? It looks to me like you were only intending to make a reference to something that amused you, but in context, you've implied that my motives are both dishonest and dishonorable. Was that really your intention?
 
Simon, did you realize this would be rude? It looks to me like you were only intending to make a reference to something that amused you, but in context, you've implied that my motives are both dishonest and dishonorable. Was that really your intention?
I think what he was getting at was that as a thread we have explained this to you time and time again, and somehow you keep bringing it up as though you are not getting it.

And once again, you have expressed confusion when Poptart has said the literal definition of the term. At this stage, I think it would be in your best interest to simply drop it.

Edit: I am not trying to come across as rude to you Horatio. I see why you would see ill-intent with that post based purely upon what the discussion is in that comic. And were it that alone? I would agree with you. We're just trying to stop this from being any more disruptive than it has already been.
 
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I'm afraid there is some confusion remaining, and if that means you hate me... there's really nothing I can do about that.
I can try to reassure you, at least. My current interpretation of the spoiler policy is: "All discussion of RP-specific info is considered spoilers for purposes of the spoiler policy, regardless of whether it fits a strict definition of the word 'spoiler'."
(I would ask, if you think that's a good wording, that you put that in the main spoiler policy box. Please.)

Simon, did you realize this would be rude? It looks to me like you were only intending to make a reference to something that amused you, but in context, you've implied that my motives are both dishonest and dishonorable. Was that really your intention?
I'll write it bluntly Horatio. Let me be clear that I'm not trying to be mean, or to imply anything. I'm saying the things EXACTLY as they look to me.

You might believe this to be rude. I'll risk it, as I want to be 100% clear, and sometimes being blunt and being rude can easily be confused one for the other.

You brought up the rp ban discussion, in a form or another, more than a dozen times.

Every single time that you asked about it, no matter the specific phrasing that you used, the answer was basically "if you're discussing things from the rp you have to put them into spoiler. EVERYTHING from the rp that you would not know if you never read that but only read the quest is a spoiler. The fact that characters from the RP are around is more or less an amusing easter egg, and is not something you actually need to worry about. Please stop asking."

Usually, immediately after what is a clear and simple answer that should put and end to this, you ask again the same question or a very similar one, as if you're trying to get a different answer by getting clever with your wording.

Sometime you wait a while, and then you ask the thing again.

This is obviously annoying to the qm, and is becoming annoying to most players as well.

You see, from your behaviour we can only think of two possibilities

1)You're a troll, and you're faking misunderstanding and confusion. This is something you simply do for fun.

2)You're actually not understanding the answers.

Now, I always give the benefit of the doubt, but the fact is that on the internet trolls are VERY common, and the more you continue to insist asking the same (or nearly the same) question, the harder it gets to believe you're actually being honest about your doubts, and the more annoying the thing becomes.

Now, I'll try to be perfectly clear by being blunt and not mincing word, and If anyone disagree with what I'm saying please feel free to tell me.

Horatio, Poptart has told you that rp things need to go into spoiler boxes. That includes everything from the RP that you can't learn by simply reading the threadmarked posts here. That includes BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO rp characters, transformations, power levels and the enemy, just to mention the main ones. You shouldn't ask about this policy again. You shouldn't complain about this policy again. If you want to talk about rp things you're free to do it (I often do it myself), but only in spoiler boxes., as this policy asks of you.

If you continue to ask after this I'll have no choice but to believe that you're a troll, and there's a real risk that at some point you'll get threadbanned.

If you like this quest and wish to continue being a part of it, PLEASE stop asking that question.

Again, I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but i want to be 100% clear: Your behaviour has gone from strange to funny to sort of annoying/sad. I don't want to make you feel bad, but you have to understand that if you continue like this at some point we'll reach a breaking point, and that is likely to end with your threadban.

I'm not angry, and I don't want an apology or a "I'm sorry I didn't understand" speech. I just want to close this discussion once and for all. Sorry and thank you.
 
I think what he was getting at was that as a thread we have explained this to you time and time again, and somehow you keep bringing it up as though you are not getting it.
Yeah, this.

My take on the comic is that the man is somehow stuck in some weird mental place where he wants something, something he isn't articulating or can't articulate. And so he just keeps more or less repeating the same thing over and over, long past the point where the woman has answered his overt question. And made that answer utterly obvious, so obvious that anyone who is actually listening will have gotten the message

Because he's so caught up on what he wants that he's not... processing... what people tell him when it conflicts with what he wants.
 
Staff Notice- Rule 4: When a QM wants you to end the argument, you end it.
Yeah, this.

My take on the comic is that the man is somehow stuck in some weird mental place where he wants something, something he isn't articulating or can't articulate. And so he just keeps more or less repeating the same thing over and over, long past the point where the woman has answered his overt question. And made that answer utterly obvious, so obvious that anyone who is actually listening will have gotten the message

Because he's so caught up on what he wants that he's not... processing... what people tell him when it conflicts with what he wants.
Well, my read of the comic is that his desire is transparently obvious - he's trying to talk her into having sex with him again - and he's not coming out and saying that because he realizes, on some level, that that would not work.
Which makes for an incredibly rude comparison.
 
Well, my read of the comic is that his desire is transparently obvious - he's trying to talk her into having sex with him again - and he's not coming out and saying that because he realizes, on some level, that that would not work.
Which makes for an incredibly rude comparison.
The coimic is pretty simple - the guy doesn't get that he's being dumped. Or he's refusing to admit he's being dumped. The sex bit only comes up if you go onto the site and click the bonus panel button
 
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