Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
I'd vote for your plan if you did. Maybe drop one of the Tien style points for it, since it's less efficient? Or Cell's Perfect Multiform sight?
Dragon Ball: After the End
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- Actually pretty lost
Nah, it'd be Historical Insights. I'm convinced the Cell vision is time-sensitive if it pays off, and this is the first time @KnightDisciple has ever voted for one of my plans, and it'd be a shame to ruin that by driving them to punch me through the internet in sheer frustration. (I also think there's a chance we might need it a bit sooner, so getting it up to Journeyman faster is preferable.)
Actually yeah, I'm going to go ahead and make that change. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one concerned about Historical Insights, so I doubt any of my voters will care.
EDIT: Change made, Historical Insights dropped for Talk to Dazarel
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
As long as you don't drop the action where we help train all the Namekians I won't get that mad.
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
I'm completely disagree. Even if there no living people (and I don't think so, with enture galaxy to search), we can ask deads. As Gohan, who I mentioned earlier. And gods. And "weird things from Beyond". And so on.
Well, I consider your position - we shouldn't try something that might be impossible - ridiculous, if not worse.
If you refuse any actions that may be impossible, then you should just give up immediately. Because it "may be actually impossible" to you to outargue me.
I think it isn't good for that, actually. Style that improve [Dueling] will be much better than style that doesn't.
I think it can be teamfighting if both sides using it, or two dueling 1v1.
I like Insight. But I like Talk too. Therefore I will not resent.
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- Actually pretty lost
Probably, but we're going to be working on most of, if not all of Tenshinhan's skills anyway, so it's easier to just train Tenshinhan Style as our backup plan instead.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies
[X][DESTINATION] Braigh. Lyre's right; all that industry is great for an invasion force, even if you need to adapt it to the task at hand.
My reason for voting "Braigh" is that I'm pretty sure the Empire's invasion fleet isn't going to need to hide the fact that it's planning to attack New Namek. The Namekians being alerted would be bad, but presumably the Empire has mustered sufficient force to be confident of destroying New Namek no matter what the Namekians pull out to defend it with. I predict that their war plan will revolve more around a sledgehammer of massed force, and less around a stiletto of quick, sneaky destruction. But with that being the case, they'll be bringing a whole lot of ships, which means industry.
If I expected them to be sneaking a small party of warriors into range to fire off a planet-destroying blast or something and no more, then having them come in by way of Tamrii or Vulkar would make more sense. But if they're sending a big badass armada with tons of guns, they're going to need to stage out of some place with a seriousface industrial base, whether that location is otherwise an ideal choice or not.
There's having a good relationship with someone, and there's letting them edit your brain on the assumption that they won't do anything you wouldn't want them to do. Those are NOT the same thing.
[X][DESTINATION] Braigh. Lyre's right; all that industry is great for an invasion force, even if you need to adapt it to the task at hand.
My reason for voting "Braigh" is that I'm pretty sure the Empire's invasion fleet isn't going to need to hide the fact that it's planning to attack New Namek. The Namekians being alerted would be bad, but presumably the Empire has mustered sufficient force to be confident of destroying New Namek no matter what the Namekians pull out to defend it with. I predict that their war plan will revolve more around a sledgehammer of massed force, and less around a stiletto of quick, sneaky destruction. But with that being the case, they'll be bringing a whole lot of ships, which means industry.
If I expected them to be sneaking a small party of warriors into range to fire off a planet-destroying blast or something and no more, then having them come in by way of Tamrii or Vulkar would make more sense. But if they're sending a big badass armada with tons of guns, they're going to need to stage out of some place with a seriousface industrial base, whether that location is otherwise an ideal choice or not.
It would take a LOT of talking before I'd be comfortable giving Dazarel root access to Kakara's brain.
There's having a good relationship with someone, and there's letting them edit your brain on the assumption that they won't do anything you wouldn't want them to do. Those are NOT the same thing.
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- Not here. Maybe on SB.
We also will train most of technicues, related with Goku and Gohan styles. And both of them are boost Dueling.
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- Actually pretty lost
You're not wrong, if only because they have so few Involved techniques (Goku has 5, and Gohan has 3.) At this point we've invested enough time into Tenshinhan Style that I'd be surprised if you could convince people to choose Goku or Gohan Style as our backup though.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I'd say probably not Gohan Style, but Goku Style is specifically really good at one on one single combat dueling. If there ever comes a situation where we simply cannot use our multiforms for whatever reason, and just need to beat the shit out of that one guy over there, Goku Style would have been a good fallback.
I think we should at least get good at it. Mastering it, eh. We might want to develop a unique style before reaching that point, if only to make effective use of multiform in ways that even Tenshinhan style cannot.
I might settle for one level down from 'master' in other words.
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Y'know what? I'm tired of this.
[X][ASK] What exactly would Reorganizing entail? A bunch of people seem to be under the impression that it would give Dazarel freedom to rewire Kakara, rather than teach her how rewiring works and let her do it herself.
Depends on how hard it is to reach various levels. I suspect that Journeyman is the level at which you're supposed to go around learning from other masters, and thus levels beyond that will greatly benefit from a broader knowledge base.
(If we get the chance, of course, it'd be nice to master all the styles. That doesn't seem super likely, though.)
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- Not here. Maybe on SB.
I don't so sure. Reach "Journeyman" level? Of course. But try to go beyond that? I think we may just start our style at that point.
Also, I think, with more known styles we can create our own easier and make it better. Poptart mentioned Turtle style will help with it, at least. I'm suppose other will do it as well, even if with lesser profit.
So, maybe, we should take a look for every one, or at least some, once we're krumped Dandeer right.
Personally, I hope we'll reach "Journeyman" level with Tenshinhan, Goku and Turtle styles, and spent at least one action for Krillin style - because "that it seems to have been built in the expectation of being outmatched. Emphasizing evasion and targeting of vulnerabilities".
Mastering all existed styles, of course, will be great, but I really, really doubt we don't find better use for our actions.
I doubt mastering it will worth our time.
We want to master our own style. With even our "fallback" style(s) I don't sure we will mastered. Because that's need too much time and effort to do.
We want to be decent with Tenshinhan Style, to start our own. Then, we want to be decent with "fallback" style (maybe Goku style). Maybe, create Oozaru style, but I don't sure.
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- Actually pretty lost
I actually happen to agree - but when we've got our own Style working and want to fiddle with our backup Style, I think focusing on a Style we've invested time into will be an easier sell.
We do get something shiny for Mastering a Style - at one point, we were considering Mastering Tenshinhan Style and using the Mastery to get an Elite Talent for Multiform. (This was a very long time ago, so Poptart may have changed their mind on how Mastery works since then.)
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Making poor choices on build votes is not going to result in me reaching through the plot and punching Kakara in the gut. Any build is viable.
Action votes are where you can make serious mistakes.
Ki Refinement and Overdrive are serious enough strains that they need an AP dedicated to them especially. Also Ki Overdrive in particular cannot be done at less than full power.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
No. Although that's a fun idea for an Elite+talent.
The way it works is that you roll team fighting where allies>0, and crowd fighting when enemies>1. These stack. So five people teaming up against two: both sides roll both skills. Five people teaming up against one: the five people roll team fighting, the one rolls crowd fighting.
Dazarel would need to teach her how rewiring works, which would necessarily entail allowing him to guide Kakara's actions and trust that he's not giving her advice she wouldn't agree with if she fully understood it.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Welp. I'm never going to vote for Reorganizing.
OfSpaceandTime
Chaotically Inclined
- Location
- Ohio
- Pronouns
- Anything non-rude.
Not with him as a guide, especially.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I think that's writing it off a little much, but I do agree that we should make sure that we trust what our teacher says. Thus, effectively, such an action is gated behind one of diplomancing Dazazel, finding another teacher, or getting enough grounding in psychic skills that we do understand him.
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- Actually pretty lost
Rats, especially with regards to using Ki Overdrive at lower PLs, but thanks for the response.
Again somewhat unfortunate for any plans of making Crowd Fighting a Penalised skill, but thanks for clarifying.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought. Great if you can guarantee the trustworthiness of your teacher, very unfortunate otherwise.
Although thinking about it, I vaguely recall us reading Dazarel's mind with a vision once, without him knowing about it. Perhaps we could do the same thing each session on this? It'd take twice as long, but we'd be able to trust the process.
EDIT: I just had a pretty great idea. When we're back, maybe we can pass a law that anyone who makes a unique breakthrough (read: Elite Talent) in a skill has to register it with the government, with the justofication that we want to avoid losing knowledge like we did during the Dark Age. They wouldn't have to explain how they did it, but they'd be listed so that anyone who wanted to learn the Talent could go and barter with them for it, rather than letting it get lost when they die.
Whilst this would work for its stated purpose, for us personally the practical benefit would be knowing about potential Elite Talent trainers.
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Would we or would we not have had a considerably easier time of the Unsealing if we'd spent more AP on style training? I'm not saying you're wrong, exactly, but bad build votes look like they have a pretty significant impact on our ability to survive mistakes.
Not a bad idea in principle, but enforcement is going to be a pain - sticks mean we'd have a bunch of people suddenly hiding their breakthroughs out of annoyance, whereas carrots mean we'd basically have to overhaul the patent office.
Our best bet is probably just to say "if you've pushed the boundaries of (whatever skills we're interested in), Kakara would like to hear from you."
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- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Staff Notice - Rule 3
hooray for strawmen, the true weapon the enlightened.Well, I consider your position - we shouldn't try something that might be impossible - ridiculous, if not worse.
If you refuse any actions that may be impossible, then you should just give up immediately. Because it "may be actually impossible" to you to outargue me.
My position is 'it's not worth pursuing things that are extremely likely to be impossible'. Not that there being a chance something is impossible means we should give up. And in particular, it's not worth counting on doing things that are extremely likely to be impossible over alternatives that are likely to be possible, given there is only so much time and energy to go around.
And I bet it's impossible for me to 'outargue you' in the sense of convincing you personally with that attitude, but I don't care about you personally so I'm gonna continue to point out you're being ridiculous just to make sure other people realize you are.
But sure. Act like you're so clever to be misinterpreting what I'm saying and double down as if being wrong makes you smart. That makes sense.
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- Actually pretty lost
While it's possible being stronger would have made up for our poor decision-making, our build at the time was certainly viable for the situation.
Yeah, maybe. I'm not envisioning it as being an onerous process that people will really want to avoid, just sending a note with the skill name and a quick description. Maybe make it voluntary, but frame it as being a patriotic thing, to avoid clashing with people who really want to keep it a secret.
It'll probably only work for ki skills - I doubt IC they even recognise Elite Talents in areas like teaching as more than just having a knack for it. Even hand-to-hand is a bit hard to parse. But "Perfect Multiform" "Ki Overdrive" or "firing Kamehamehas out my ass" are all a bit more obvious as notable variations.
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