I understand using the Wish to defeat Dandeer makes a lot of logical sense.
It would be boring, but it wouldn't be narrative breaking.
In contrast, I think a race-wide suppression of power level emissions would be much more exciting than the HTC. It would have huge knock-on effects! SSJ2 is now "safe" to be unlocked on Garenhuld - what does that mean for the system as it stands? It's just restricted to Lords and Ladies, surely, but what if they can't all go SSJ2, lacking an epiphany? Do the controls on regular SSJ get relaxed at all? Does being harder to detect have any other effects?
Making all saiyains feel weaker ultimately runs into the same problems a the HTC though. It offers a big boost to how much the characters can power up (though in this case it would allow them to use those power levels more liberally), but then it runs into a wall depending on the limits of the wish.
Oh sure, it would be useful those three times, but it's not really narratively satisfying - any situation it comes up in is already building to a narrative peak and it doesn't really help with that....Have we been following the same Quest?
It's more about the detection range associated with the strength, but I'd also point out that we have Porunga's word he isn't going to try and screw us on this wish, or just do the minimum - we'd be talking it over, and can discuss and iron out any such implementation problems. Well, on the wish-side at least - the details of the implementation side are left as an exercise for the wisher, but since we were discussing narrative impact that's a bonus, not a detriment.
Yeah, but it's not actually all that helpful if we can never then use those powers outside of it. At least, not compared to a wish that lets us do that.
nope, the galactic patrol's one comes from the last two chapter of the db super manga. It's a normal hyperbolic time chamber, except the time dilation is 1 day outside=3 days inside.
I think this is the big sticking point.
Sure, but it would a) allow us to actually train up to a level that could inconvenience the enemy, at least in theory should we figure out how, and b) would let us use the same safe amounts of power in our masque, so we would be broadcasting as "extremely strong human champion" rather than "Super Saiyan."
Hm. I perhaps misworded 1, though this may end up being meta...
I think you are possibly underestimating just how paranoid the Exiles are about this. At the very least, there will be a roll. Possibly multiple rolls, for each SSJ and the public.
This seems unlikely, given the hard time limits imposed by an HTC. In any case I know I'd prefer the ability to freely use a low SSJ2 power level on Garenhuld to having a higher-PL group that can't be used without bringing the Enemy down on our heads, for the simple reason that 3 years is not enough to go from FPSSJ to SSG, which is the minimum required to be relevant against the Enemy using Gohan's fresh ascension to SSG (and fresh ascensions get a temporary boost, if Jaffur and us in the prologue as SSJs apply to SSG) as the lower bound required, and probably isn't enough even then.
I don't believe a) is true at all, given the time constraint. b) is admittedly worth considering, but would also be achieved to a lesser degree by letting us access low-SSJ2 freely. It's also worth remembering that even hitting those high PLs as a human isn't ideal for the Exiles - being detectable at range at all tells people there's high PLs at Garenhuld's location, even if it isn't immediately obvious that those PLs are Saiyan in nature.
Being able to transmit important information back home without necessarily having to understand it ourselves would be a boon on several fronts, for sure.
...I mean, we don't even have to use violence for it? But yes, we could probably put that under our Cause action, if the goal is to "sync" us enough to allow communication back. Especially to relay that kind of information.
5th is maxing out the ability. It will be hard to get.
I'm operating under the assumption that the HTC got fixed to infinite; I'm pretty sure the wiki is wrong on that one. For one thing, vegeta goes in for more than 5.5 total years across both time chambers, which would be impossible even if it was 2 years -> 3 years *and* they were counted separately.
I think it's very unlikely that we will get an infinitely reusable time chamber from the wish, but I concede that it might be possible to ascend past SSG in Masque strength if we had that.
The Super manga has Goku and Vegeta casually using it for three days/years at some point - I think it was right before the first tournament - and made no mention of use-limits. Then again, I have no idea why they wouldn't have used it for learning Ultra Instinct, so: *noclue.jpg*