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Regarding Trunks Style, from your info post:


However, further checking shows that you indicated Ki infusion of weapons was not a thing.

So in that case, the question is primarily then "are swords, practice or real, the only weapons used by Exiles, or do other weapons see at least a bit of use?".
Connected to that...

1.) Is Kakara aware of any Exile-developed Styles beyond Jaffur's that stuck around much? (I'm not counting Tabe's trick as a true Style; it's just an energy-use technique.)
2.) Did Kakara get much of a sense for Bassoon's actual fighting style from what she's seen thus far? Or was it too focused on dodging and quick, basic ranged attacks?

[ASK BASSOON] How widespread is the technology that allows ships to use weapons on par with high-powered Ki-using fighters?
[ASK BASSOON] How powerful is that same technology, roughly?
[ASK BASSOON] Is there technology that does the same thing for people (aka personal armor)?
[ASK BASSOON] Is there any way the Siege of Arcosia would ever end without the planet being destroyed?
[ASK BASSOON] How far do the Namekians as a whole range in the galaxy?
Poptart made a comment earlier about a small number of Goku Stylists who integrated staff fighting into the style, so weapon styles are clearly developable for other tools.
You actually blink in honest-to-kais shock at the strength of the blasts flying your way. These things are broadcasting in the millions. They vary significantly, of course -- the Blockade Fleet is supposed to be pretty ramshackle -- but you're getting everything from five to eighteen million.
Kakara did fairly through research, and all but the most obscure and personalized styles are ancestor ones, and are the ones listed in the lore page.
Does that answer your question?
[ASK] Why can we sense the attacks ki? Isn't artificial ki supposed to be unsensable?
 
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I'd like to add a question that builds off of one of @KnightDisciple 's, and one that builds off one of Poptart's earlier answers.

I figure there's a fair chance that Kakara can't think of any examples of styles that "stuck around much" besides the ones already listed on the front page, if only because they'd probably have turned up in the "Kakara researches styles" action that got us that list in the first place. So the follow-on question I'd like to ask is:

1a) To Kakara's knowledge, are there any Exile fighters who invented their own, idiosyncratic styles, and perhaps simply didn't teach them widely? Bulma Kane may be an obvious example of this, in that whatever she was doing in the recent tournament looked very little like any of the known styles, but was obviously very effective and honed against a much stronger opponent.

She can think of absolutely no reason why being a shade would impact [fighting style and ki skill training].
I mean, aside from the obvious reason of "inability to interact with an instructor" in that most of the people she might normally train under either can't see her, or can see her only in their dreams, or what have you, right?
 
I just assumed Kane was using a Krillin derivative she'd learned to take her advancing age into account.
 
I've got a solution to our The Enemy problem! (Totally bullshitting)

If the problem is that the Spirit Bomb is the only reliable way of getting enough power to even hope to fight the thing without alerting it, then we just need to go full Kardashev 2.

If you can ecumenopolis the planet (relying heavily on arcologies, fusion power, and vertical farming) such that a population of a trillion is in the cards, and then, considering the lower limit of oceanic crust is about 7 km on a geologically stable (Earthlike) world, you could create an Under-ecumenopolis in three layers every 2 km down from the surface that would roughly increase the cap by 300%. Assuming you could somehow deal with the heating-the-planet-up issue from sheer body heat, and that the prevalence of Qi mutants and those who trained themselves up raised the average PL from 5 to 10, you could fit a total Qi Powerlevel of 40 trillion in the same planet, surely enough to reasonably keep up with The Enemy. Sure, you'd have to clone the crap out of the current population to get them up to anything resembling that height, but unlike 40K, Dragon Ball has never had... problems with cloning beyond IRL ones, and a lot more superscience going around to counter them.
Don't think 40 trillion would be enough.

Increase the average PL to a million however, and get 4 Quintillion(4 000 000 000 000 000 000).

And let's not forget that we have machine sense as a Ki advancement, and cyborgs can donate, so drawing from machinery is likely a possibility as well. That reminds me, we should compare notes with Bassoon, see if there's been any advancements with standard techniques we can learn.
 
ASK votes still rely on typical vote formatting, folks. Like so:

[X][ASK] Question goes here.
Regarding Trunks Style, from your info post:


However, further checking shows that you indicated Ki infusion of weapons was not a thing.

So in that case, the question is primarily then "are swords, practice or real, the only weapons used by Exiles, or do other weapons see at least a bit of use?".
Connected to that...

1.) Is Kakara aware of any Exile-developed Styles beyond Jaffur's that stuck around much? (I'm not counting Tabe's trick as a true Style; it's just an energy-use technique.)
2.) Did Kakara get much of a sense for Bassoon's actual fighting style from what she's seen thus far? Or was it too focused on dodging and quick, basic ranged attacks?

[ASK BASSOON] How widespread is the technology that allows ships to use weapons on par with high-powered Ki-using fighters?
[ASK BASSOON] How powerful is that same technology, roughly?
[ASK BASSOON] Is there technology that does the same thing for people (aka personal armor)?
[ASK BASSOON] Is there any way the Siege of Arcosia would ever end without the planet being destroyed?
[ASK BASSOON] How far do the Namekians as a whole range in the galaxy?
Various weapons have been tried, although swords are the only ones to have found mass adoption. In general, materials science is something of which the Exiles didn't lose much; their weapons remain relevant by dint of being belief-defyingly strong. That said, on a Lord's level...not so much. And research into overcoming that gap is not precisely incentivized by the folks up top.
  1. Not en masse. There have been hundreds of derivatives, and the odd attempt at a personal style, but nothing that got written down, attracted more than ten devotees, or can't be realistically classified as a subset of an existing style.
  2. Not much; it was not exactly a normal combat situation. At present, she would peg him as something like a Trunks stylist, but she acknowledges that that's almost certainly down to the circumstances at play.
I'd like to add a question that builds off of one of @KnightDisciple 's, and one that builds off one of Poptart's earlier answers.

I figure there's a fair chance that Kakara can't think of any examples of styles that "stuck around much" besides the ones already listed on the front page, if only because they'd probably have turned up in the "Kakara researches styles" action that got us that list in the first place. So the follow-on question I'd like to ask is:

1a) To Kakara's knowledge, are there any Exile fighters who invented their own, idiosyncratic styles, and perhaps simply didn't teach them widely? Bulma Kane may be an obvious example of this, in that whatever she was doing in the recent tournament looked very little like any of the known styles, but was obviously very effective and honed against a much stronger opponent.

I mean, aside from the obvious reason of "inability to interact with an instructor" in that most of the people she might normally train under either can't see her, or can see her only in their dreams, or what have you, right?
Many! As noted above, a lot of things simply didn't get written down by their creators. Bulma Kane is technically recognized as a master of several styles, but her primary is Yamcha. What you saw from her was her having multiple capstone fighting traits. She (by now, most certainly) was a masterful fighter.

As to training: yes, there are of course practical difficulties inherent to her situation. My point is that Kakara doesn't need to worry about her being a shade rendering her incapable of picking up new fighting skills.
 
[X][ASK] How widespread is the technology that allows ships to use weapons on par with high-powered Ki-using fighters?
[X][ASK] How powerful is that same technology, roughly?
[X][ASK] Is there technology that does the same thing for people (aka personal armor)?
[X][ASK] Is there any way the Siege of Arcosia would ever end without the planet being destroyed?
[X][ASK] How far do the Namekians as a whole range in the galaxy?
 
Many! As noted above, a lot of things simply didn't get written down by their creators. Bulma Kane is technically recognized as a master of several styles, but her primary is Yamcha. What you saw from her was her having multiple capstone fighting traits. She (by now, most certainly) was a masterful fighter.
...Wait, should we be interpreting that as "Bulma Kane is most certainly dead?" Because my understanding is that it's been less than twelve months elapsed time since the tournament. And while Kane was clearly a frail old lady,* she didn't give the impression of being a terminal cancer patient or anything. Did we get news of her death off-screen, as it were? Given that she was no doubt a celebrity I'm pretty sure Kakara would have heard about that.

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*(By Exile standards where a power level in the low six digits counts as 'frail,' anyway).

As to training: yes, there are of course practical difficulties inherent to her situation. My point is that Kakara doesn't need to worry about her being a shade rendering her incapable of picking up new fighting skills.
Yes, and thank you for clarifying that.

My apologies for the admittedly somewhat pointless question.
 
...Wait, should we be interpreting that as "Bulma Kane is most certainly dead?" Because my understanding is that it's been less than twelve months elapsed time since the tournament. And while Kane was clearly a frail old lady,* she didn't give the impression of being a terminal cancer patient or anything. Did we get news of her death off-screen, as it were? Given that she was no doubt a celebrity I'm pretty sure Kakara would have heard about that.

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*(By Exile standards where a power level in the low six digits counts as 'frail,' anyway).

Yes, and thank you for clarifying that.

My apologies for the admittedly somewhat pointless question.
I've headcanoned that saiyans decline fast, at the end of their life. They remain in their physical prime up until they're on the verge of death. Bulma already looked ancient by the tournament; she retreated from public life afterwards, as is typical of many old saiyans who know their time is coming.

Kakara would not find it surprising to learn that Bulma died the day after the tournament, nor that she arranged for the news not to get out for a while. Both are somewhat typical of old saiyans. There's something...unnerving...to the Exile mindset, about a death of old age. Sure, it's always coming, and it's better than some, but for your body to betray you, so suddenly, so swiftly...
 
[X][ASK] Do you know anything about ship armor that helps hide ki from detection?

I mean, if a ragtag fleet running away from the center of the galaxy has it, I assume it's relatively common in the galaxy at large. Bassoon, as someone who deals with combat ships on a regular basis, might know some of the limitations.
 
[X][ASK] Do you know anything about ship armor that helps hide ki from detection?

I want to vote for basically every Ask vote I've seen so far, but finding them sounds like work. What's the threshold for actually asking them?

Oh, and I do have some questions. @PoptartProdigy:
*Did 19 and 20 have senseable Ki before or after stealing from Goku?
*If there's no Machine Heaven, then where do all the toasters go? (More seriously, does the Time Patrol handle getting sapient computers to Yemma's department, or is that someone else's job?)
[X][ASK] Are devices for stealing ki a well-known phenomenon? Likewise, are Androids or Bio-Androids at all common?
 
I mean, if a ragtag fleet running away from the center of the galaxy has it, I assume it's relatively common in the galaxy at large. Bassoon, as someone who deals with combat ships on a regular basis, might know some of the limitations.
Given that Bassoon's own ship is a 'stealth' blockade runner, it's entirely possible that he himself has that exact kind of armor.
 
[X][ASK] Do you know anything about ship armor that helps hide ki from detection?

I want to vote for basically every Ask vote I've seen so far, but finding them sounds like work. What's the threshold for actually asking them?

Oh, and I do have some questions. @PoptartProdigy:
*Did 19 and 20 have senseable Ki before or after stealing from Goku?
*If there's no Machine Heaven, then where do all the toasters go? (More seriously, does the Time Patrol handle getting sapient computers to Yemma's department, or is that someone else's job?)
[X][ASK] Are devices for stealing ki a well-known phenomenon? Likewise, are Androids or Bio-Androids at all common?
If there are a huge number of ASK votes, I take the top 3-4.

Not as far as you know. It's plausible that some things got lost in the shuffle, but that androids don't have detectible ki made it down the ages, so you presume that it held true for 19 and 20, since they would otherwise have disproved that.

The Time Patrol is a matter for the RP sharing canon with this, Days of Future Past, run on Spacebattles by former SV user @The Fourth Monado. Given the practical difficulties of running an RP and a quest which intersect one another, and the visceral negative reaction many questers have historically had to the idea of such intersections, I enforce a strict separation of the two; to whit, I can name all of the characters in this universe who even know that the Patrol exists, and all of them have various excellent reasons to bend heavens and earth in order to avoid the information reaching Kakara specifically. Thus, for questions regarding the Patrol, I refer you to DoFP's OOC thread, found here.
 
If there are a huge number of ASK votes, I take the top 3-4.

Not as far as you know. It's plausible that some things got lost in the shuffle, but that androids don't have detectible ki made it down the ages, so you presume that it held true for 19 and 20, since they would otherwise have disproved that.

The Time Patrol is a matter for the RP sharing canon with this, Days of Future Past, run on Spacebattles by former SV user @The Fourth Monado. Given the practical difficulties of running an RP and a quest which intersect one another, and the visceral negative reaction many questers have historically had to the idea of such intersections, I enforce a strict separation of the two; to whit, I can name all of the characters in this universe who even know that the Patrol exists, and all of them have various excellent reasons to bend heavens and earth in order to avoid the information reaching Kakara specifically. Thus, for questions regarding the Patrol, I refer you to DoFP's OOC thread, found here.
The Fourth Monado's power cord sure has been broke for a while :p
 
I've headcanoned that saiyans decline fast, at the end of their life. They remain in their physical prime up until they're on the verge of death. Bulma already looked ancient by the tournament; she retreated from public life afterwards, as is typical of many old saiyans who know their time is coming.

Kakara would not find it surprising to learn that Bulma died the day after the tournament, nor that she arranged for the news not to get out for a while. Both are somewhat typical of old saiyans. There's something...unnerving...to the Exile mindset, about a death of old age. Sure, it's always coming, and it's better than some, but for your body to betray you, so suddenly, so swiftly...
Um... I get that Saiyans have that, but wouldn't people who want to keep living just switch to there human masque and ride out human aging?
 
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Um... I get that Saiyans have that, but wouldn't people who want to keep living just switch to there human masque and ride out human aging?
This assumes that would magically, pardon the pun, extend their lifespan. Rather than being 'yo dog you're eighty you look eighty' which is massively more likely for, you know, maintaining the masquerade.

Like. This is actually a really strange assumption.
 
This assumes that would magically, pardon the pun, extend their lifespan. Rather than being 'yo dog you're eighty you look eighty' which is massively more likely for, you know, maintaining the masquerade.

Like. This is actually a really strange assumption.
I got the impression that Saiyans fade really really fast after a certain point, where as best I can tell humans just kind of gradually wither.
So yes, they would still be 80 or whatever, but it isn't like there aren't humans who live perfectly passable lives at age 80. It's a choice between 'gradual decline at 80' and 'Saiyan super speed decline at 80'.
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
 
It sounds like the original Jekyll and Hyde novel where Hyde was younger because Jekyll Evil side had been 'used' less. I think that was what Jirachi was getting at.
 
I got the impression that Saiyans fade really really fast after a certain point, where as best I can tell humans just kind of gradually wither.
So yes, they would still be 80 or whatever, but it isn't like there aren't humans who live perfectly passable lives at age 80. It's a choice between 'gradual decline at 80' and 'Saiyan super speed decline at 80'.
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
Which is assuming that the point you hit 'saiyan fastball decay' is not in fact after your human masque is already completely decrepit which is equally plausible and would encourage the opposite.
 
Which is assuming that the point you hit 'saiyan fastball decay' is not in fact after your human masque is already completely decrepit which is equally plausible and would encourage the opposite.
I agree that it won't always apply. But it isn't that uncommon for someone to be in there 80s and up and mobile, it seems like there human form may often be a better choice, because of at that point slower aging.
 
I agree that it won't always apply. But it isn't that uncommon for someone to be in there 80s and up and mobile, it seems like there human form may often be a better choice, because of at that point slower aging.
It's not like literally every saiyan ever keels over dead at exactly eighty or something, though. For all you or we know, the human masque grows gradually more and more decrepit until by the time a saiyan starts their rapid final decline, the human in question is already reduced to a terminal patient who'd be lucky not to need life support to survive.

You have literally zero reason to assume that's not the case, yet your entire line of questioning is based on the assumption that it isn't- that a significant fraction of the time the human form is significantly more healthy than the saiyan form despite being explicitly told that saiyans stay at or near their physical prime well past the point at which humans begin to decline due to old age.

Like... can we just NOT nitpick this to death? Please?

If anything, the logic would tend to run the other way. If I could choose between two forms, one of a 75 year old human who has five years to live and is doddering and falling apart from old age, and the other of a 75 year old saiyan who ALSO has five years to live but is still relatively close to their physical prime, I'd spend almost all my time in the saiyan form.

And indeed, we've been repeatedly told that old saiyans tend to withdraw from human society, use their Masques less, and keep company of other saiyans disproportionately. Maybe now we know one of the reasons why.
 
It's not like literally every saiyan ever keels over dead at exactly eighty or something, though. For all you or we know, the human masque grows gradually more and more decrepit until by the time a saiyan starts their rapid final decline, the human in question is already reduced to a terminal patient who'd be lucky not to need life support to survive.

You have literally zero reason to assume that's not the case, yet your entire line of questioning is based on the assumption that it isn't- that a significant fraction of the time the human form is significantly more healthy than the saiyan form despite being explicitly told that saiyans stay at or near their physical prime well past the point at which humans begin to decline due to old age.

Like... can we just NOT nitpick this to death? Please?

If anything, the logic would tend to run the other way. If I could choose between two forms, one of a 75 year old human who has five years to live and is doddering and falling apart from old age, and the other of a 75 year old saiyan who ALSO has five years to live but is still relatively close to their physical prime, I'd spend almost all my time in the saiyan form.

And indeed, we've been repeatedly told that old saiyans tend to withdraw from human society, use their Masques less, and keep company of other saiyans disproportionately. Maybe now we know one of the reasons why.
*Shrug* I'll definitely drop it after this post, and your basic point makes a lot of sense.
I mean, I guess? Garenhuld has a more or less Earth Normal tech level, and Saiyans typically exercise more and are probably more generally healthy than
typical humans on Earth. I mean, my only real assumption was "Masqued Saiyans, given the same environmental conditions, act the same as humans medically speaking", and considering how common somewhat healthy 80 year olds are, and how quick Poptart seems to describe Saiyan aging at the end of life to be...
Basically, at some point, Saiyans experience a sharp aging effect that happen really really quickly, but are much more 'in prime of life' before that, and humans have a gradual decridation after a certain point.
Sometimes, the human form will be really unhealthy by the time of Saiyan super aging, and not a superior alternative. Sometimes, they will be normal healthy (but kinda frail and all to prone to various medical conditions) 80 year olds.
I hope this is an okay way to deal with topic frustration?
 
I agree that it won't always apply. But it isn't that uncommon for someone to be in there 80s and up and mobile, it seems like there human form may often be a better choice, because of at that point slower aging.

No, you don't agree. You are assuming- on no evidence, with some circumstantial evidence to the contrary, as Simon_Jester pointed out- that what happens is not; Human form slowly declines, eventually Saiyan plays rapid catch up to match but is always as able or better than human form.

You have offered no basis to assume there is necessarily a point in even some Saiyans lifecycles where the human masque is more able, as opposed to getting decrepit first and then the unmasqued Saiyan catching up at the very last second to that. Which is actually the more plausible assumption just from them withdrawing from human society in their old age.

You are taking it as a given that it works a certain way that we have no evidence of. There is no particular reason why it can't be 'in the last year of their life, they rapidly descend towards the human masque level of decrepit, catching up at literally the last day as they die, and never being worse'.

There are reasons Saiyan form would necessarily be better at certain ages. There are not reasons for human form to necessarily be better at certain ages, only broadly plausible ones that may or may not be true.
 
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