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Dragon Ball: After the End

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From the way Bassoon talked it sounds like the trip to New Namek (and thus Guru) might take a bit. So even if we have a bunch of stuff happening starting at "talk to Guru", we have time for training later.

Don't forget the lesson of the whole Garenhuld nuclear missile+riots etc scenes; relaxation and dealing with stress are important.

We can take a few hours now.

@PoptartProdigy could Kakara tell if the 20mil was Bassoon's maximum (without boosts like Kaoi-Ken or such), or just his current power level?
 
This is probably already been answered.
When we start to train for Elite Ki Sense can we get both "Machine Sense" and "All Is One" or are we restricted to only one?
 
Wiadi said:
For those of you who want to practice with the Sight, any ideas for what specifically we want to look for while testing it?
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I encourage this line of discussion.
Deathbybunnies said:
Actually, considering that we're probably going to be training something in the near future... @PoptartProdigy are any of our skills nearly at the point of ranking up? It might be an idea to grab any low-hanging fruit.
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Nah, I make a note on the sheet if that's in immediate reach.
KnightDisciple said:
From the way Bassoon talked it sounds like the trip to New Namek (and thus Guru) might take a bit. So even if we have a bunch of stuff happening starting at "talk to Guru", we have time for training later.

Don't forget the lesson of the whole Garenhuld nuclear missile+riots etc scenes; relaxation and dealing with stress are important.

We can take a few hours now.

@PoptartProdigy could Kakara tell if the 20mil was Bassoon's maximum (without boosts like Kaoi-Ken or such), or just his current power level?
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Current. That said, it was his current while he was preparing to kill a serial genocist, and Kakara didn't get any impression that he was holding something back.
 
Marty7928 said:
Was there any agreement on which one to go for? Cause I'm leaning towards "All Is One"
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i think general opinion is more in favour of "all is one". Wasn't that the trait we needed to get over the "feel everything die?"

Maybe if we reach Legendary it might be possible to research other elite+talents, but it would still take a lot of time. We might be better of going for other skills.
 
Wiadi said:
For those of you who want to practice with the Sight, any ideas for what specifically we want to look for while testing it?
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We could find out what Dandeer's reaction to us leaving is
Figure out what possible anti-shade defenses she plans to create and how to circumvent them.
We could try and see how many were able to escape Dandeer's mind control ritual
We could try and find Toru, Tarble's descendant
We could try and determine if Freeza is still alive

That's all I got
 
Pittauro said:
i think general opinion is more in favour of "all is one". Wasn't that the trait we needed to get over the "feel everything die?"

Maybe if we reach Legendary it might be possible to research other elite+talents, but it would still take a lot of time. We might be better of going for other skills.
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My expectation would be that at Legendary we could research/unlock new Elite+ Talents, but they wouldn't come with an accompanying boost in skill - so the Legendary roll bonus of +50 would remain the same.
 
Carrick was limiting Kakara for a reason. It's probably best to be cautious lest she find out what it was the hard way.

Also, this new information narrows down the enemy's potential identities quite a bit. His grudge isn't just with Earth, or even all Saiyans, but also with Frieza.
 
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Lailoken said:
Carrick was limiting Kakara for a reason. It's probably best to be cautious lest she find out what it was the hard way.

Also, this new information narrows down the enemy's potential identities quite a bit. His grudge isn't just with Earth, or even all Saiyans, but also with Frieza.
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I mean, it's totally possible that freeza was the one picking the fight.
 
QTesseract said:
I mean, it's totally possible that freeza was the one picking the fight.
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I'm not seeing much motivation for him to pick a fight with an ungodly powerful eldritch horror who seems mono-focused on harassing Saiyans. We know that he's capable of restraining himself with regards to such beings and was explicitly warned by his father about the dangers of confronting Buu and Beerus, for instance.
 
Pittauro said:
i think general opinion is more in favour of "all is one". Wasn't that the trait we needed to get over the "feel everything die?"
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Not to my knowledge.

Personally, I'm aiming for Machine Sense. It's unique, useful and expands Ki Sensing in an entirely new direction, while All Is One is, to my knowledge, a continuation of the current direction? Also, we might be able to learn it in heaven if/when we get up there.
 
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Lailoken said:
I'm not seeing much motivation for him to pick a fight with an ungodly powerful eldritch horror who seems mono-focused on harassing Saiyans. We know that he's capable of restraining himself with regards to such beings and was explicitly warned by his father about the dangers of confronting Buu and Beerus, for instance.
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Unless, of course, he thought he could take them.
 
Well, he was at the level where he could at least keep up with Beerus if he wasn't seriously trying to kill him at the end of Super, so he might have been hoping to take out The Enemy with a surprise attack or something.

Also, I'm leaning towards Carrick being concerned that Kakara would Curze herself up with unrestricted Sight. By the way, was the limiter we broke just a 'one a day' thing, or was it actively restricting our Sight training beyond that? Like, learning how to use a sword wrong, in addition to not being able to practice much per day.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Well, he was at the level where he could at least keep up with Beerus if he wasn't seriously trying to kill him at the end of Super, so he might have been hoping to take out The Enemy with a surprise attack or something.

Also, I'm leaning towards Carrick being concerned that Kakara would Curze herself up with unrestricted Sight. By the way, was the limiter we broke just a 'one a day' thing, or was it actively restricting our Sight training beyond that? Like, learning how to use a sword wrong, in addition to not being able to practice much per day.
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Good question. There's an option to delve into that sort of thing.
 
Gore17 said:
Not to my knowledge.

Personally, I'm aiming for Machine Sense. It's unique, useful and expands Ki Sensing in an entirely new direction, while All Is One is, to my knowledge, a continuation of the current direction? Also, we might be able to learn it in heaven if/when we get up there.
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i might remember wrong.
Machine sense IS interesting, i'll give you that. How far would we be able to feel a spaceship? the androids? Could it give some synergy with tinkering if we ever decide to bother with it? What other interesting applications of it can we come up with? would it allow us to take energy from machines for the genkidama (probably not, it's not like machines have "genki", but who knows)?

It might maybe be the starting point of ki techniques involving machines maybe.



about the votes, i'm conflicted between rest and sight. There are good points in favour of both.
 
I'm in favor of training our PastSight, so we can look back at our training with Sensei.

Maybe we can identify when he was controlled.

Maybe we can have a conversation with him (prior to that) with Past Sight (like our future self did for us) and get some guidance as to what is or isn't safe.

I mean, Future Kakara did say that you can only send visions to yourself, so that might be a pointless attempt, but it should be relatively safe.

Also, Poptart did confirm that simply existing as a shade will slowly grind our Sight training. But I don't want to wait.
 
I should note that I don't plan to vote for "relax for weeks", just "relax right now less than 24 hours after this cluster-mother started slowly train-wrecking". Kakara has had a LOT happen. She's not mentally invulnerable. Taking a day, less than a day, just to re-center may pay huge dividends, while one day out of many for any training has less drastic impacts.

Why can't we take just a bit of time to rest?
 
Gore17 said:
Unless, of course, he thought he could take them.
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Again, even if he did, why bother? Frieza isn't Vegeta. He doesn't seek out challenges for the sake of challenges, like fighting, or even like personally getting his hands dirty. The Enemy doesn't appear to be a threat, a competitor, or a conqueror. If some shadowy monster is running around harassing monkeys and not much else, why pick a fight instead of breaking out the popcorn?
 
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