Dragon Ball: After the End

[ReaperOfShadows]

That was great. The only things that could have gone better (besides actually convincing her, which I doubted would work) would be if Yammar could have gotten out of there, and if we could have gotten out of there without Dandeer knowing we got away.

I'm partial towards Old Friends or New Family. I'm assuming the first is 18 and gang, while the other is the other Sayans in the universe.
The first one actually sounds awesome from a story aspect. We get too see how this amazing OC interacts with some awesome characters that we already love. The second sounds good from a quest standing because it lets Poptart introduce a brand new Sayan civilization, and let us compare them to the Exiles.

That said I'm suddenly interested in the New Friends option. I think that it might just drop us in a completely alien environment, where there is the possibility of making some new friends that can help us take back our home. If it is that then it would give us the perfect chance to stretch our diplomatic skills to form an army/new civilization, and show just how bad ass a diplomancer can be.

 

[thamuzz]

As far as the vote goes, I hereby vote for:

[] Whatever takes us to Jii-chan.

It is time to learn all that our race has forgotten once more.

* @PoptartProdigy signal *

As Kakara would know where she wants to run to, which option leads to the Ancestors?

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I suspect that's the "Those Above" option.

I think I'm gonna go New Family or New Enemy.

 

[tenchifew]

Shame Senzus couldn't whisk unconscious Yammar with them.

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On the other hand Yammar should at least survive now.
Had Kakara not fled, then Dandeer should have felt secure enough to kill Yammar, but now?
After Kakara promised to return stronger than ever?

She will need every super saiyan, so she will probably keep him alive and sealed.

...This said...
How probable do you think it is that she will break the taboo and try to train more super saiyans in preparation for Kakara's return?

 

[thamuzz]

On the other hand Yammar should at least survive now.
Had Kakara not fled, then Dandeer should have felt secure enough to kill Yammar, but now?
After Kakara promised to return stronger than ever?

She will need every super saiyan, so she will probably keep him sealed.

...This said...
How probable do you think it is that she will break the taboo and try to train more super saiyans in preparation for Kakara's return?

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More likely than I would like.

 

[QTesseract]

More likely than I would like.

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Meh, we can take them.


Like, already. If we have enough allies for a real spirit bomb, there is essentially no number of FPSSJs that can beat us, even with Tabe and Jaffurs tricks and kiaoken, unless we get in a beam struggle. Add in the training we do here, and the possibility of new allies up to and including 17 / 18 / Buu? No, what I'm worried about are:
- Mass SSj2 (unlikely)
- FPSSJ Dandeer
- More rediscovered techniques (Fusion dance, since dandeer is desperate and willing to sacrifice lives in the testing?)

[ ] Old friends. Namekians
[ ] New friends. I don't know, probably mystery box
[ ] Old family. 17 / 18
[ ] New family. Tarble's descendants (and maybe broly depending on what happens in new movie?)
[ ] Old enemies. Freeza
[ ] New enemies. Invasion
[ ] Those above. Either the Kais or otherworld
[] Those Below. Hell, unsure beyond that

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[ ] Old friends.
[ ] Old family.
[ ] New family.
[ ] Old enemies.
[ ] Those above.

I'm currently trying to decide among these five. I don't think we're limited to just one pick, but this is what we're doing first so it both informs our charachter and there's probably an opportunity cost here.

 

[Wiadi]

Well, I see my concerns about the speech plan were unfounded. Glad to have been wrong.

As for speculation on what the options mean, I'm pretty sure that the Androids would count as Old Family, not Old Friends. I had a hunch that we'd been told that they were among our ancestors (making Kakara's resemblance to 18 at least partially inherited, rather than pure coincidence), so I did some digging back through the thread and turned up the following:

Huh. Oh well.

Something something Maron spawned, something something, kid married a part-Saiyan, something something don't need a retcon this time. :lol

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I suppose it's possible there was a later retcon after all - I'm not rereading every post Poptart's ever made in this thread just to be sure - but I didn't find one so I'll be assuming this still holds until corrected.

 

[QTesseract]

Well, I see my concerns about the speech plan were unfounded. Glad to have been wrong.

As for speculation on what the options mean, I'm pretty sure that the Androids would count as Old Family, not Old Friends. I had a hunch that we'd been told that they were among our ancestors (making Kakara's resemblance to 18 at least partially inherited, rather than pure coincidence), so I did some digging back through the thread and turned up the following:


I suppose it's possible there was a later retcon after all - I'm not rereading every post Poptart's ever made in this thread just to be sure - but I didn't find one so I'll be assuming this still holds until corrected.

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I'm pretty sure that's still the case, and iirc @PoptartProdigy said that 17s kids evacuated too? I assumed old friends was new namek.

 

[Pittauro]

Before everything else i have to say this update was MAGNIFICENT

"But I will win," you say. "I will be back, and I'll be stronger. I'll free you all, and you and I will have our chance to fix our world. Our people. It'll be our turn."

"We'll be done watching them fail," whispers Jaffur, sliding closer. "It'll be our time to fix things."

You smile. "Yes. And on that day, there will be nobody who can stand in our way. I will come back, Jaffur. I'll be better than anything our people have ever seen."

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This is what all of us were feeling i think. Wonderfull scene

For the first time, his dull expression cracks into a look of longing. "Gods, I can't wait to see it."

You blush at his tone. "...yeah, I felt that in Synchronicity. I don't have any answers for you, Jaffur. Not for what that is, and not for what I think about it. But I know one thing: I want to see what you'll do, too."

His breath catches and his eyes widen, even as he pushes forward farther still.

"You are the Scion, the Prince Vegeta," you say. "We're supposed to test each other. And you're my friend. I want to see you succeed. We will succeed. I just need to pound it into your skull, first." You smirk at him.

He draws to a halt in front of you, within arm's reach. You can feel your well of ki beginning to run dry from the expense of maintaining the pressure. Jaffur stares at you with a hungry look. "I'll make you work for that," he promises, fingers clenching.

You laugh, tilting your head back and peering at him. "Test me, Scion," you tease, spreading your arms.

He nods, slowly drawing back his arm. "Stop me, Scion."

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*_*

You open one final link. 'Raditz, Yammar is down and I'm about to follow. The next time you see me, I'll be sealed. I have a plan, and I'll be back, but I don't know how long it'll be. Until then, keep fighting. Make sure Dandeer doesn't just own the planet.' You feel your power running down to its last dregs. The light flickers. You lower your arms and sigh. '...when I come back, I'll fight for you, no matter who's against me. So...do whatever you need to.'

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And here we gave Raditz permission to go ssj. Thing will get even MORE interesting

Then your eyes harden, and you lift the miniature dragon up to eye level. "You're coming with me."

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...Is Dazarel's shade enough for that "seal into yourself, get Dragon form" thing?

Y'know what they say: "travel to new places, meet exotic and interesting people, and kill them befriend them!"

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Fixed that for you

More likely than I would like.

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So will Raditz. We basically gave him permission to break the taboo as well. While reading the update i was actually thinking we should have made a point of it in the plan, more Senzu ssj will be usefull, and we can deal with the political/social fallout once we win.

All of this only if Dandelor can strenghten the Senzu wards of course.

[ ] Old friends.
[ ] Old family.
[ ] New family.
[ ] Old enemies.
[ ] Those above.

I'm currently trying to decide among these five. I don't think we're limited to just one pick, but this is what we're doing first so it both informs our charachter and there's probably an opportunity cost here.

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They're all interesting options. I slightly prefer [] Those above, i really want to hear from our ancestors again. We haven't met them since Dazarel!

There really isn't a bad option though, as the update says

There are no wrong choices.

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Meeting Frieza would actually be interesting (if he's still alive). Making any kind of agreement of establishing a (mostly) civil relationship with him would probably be enough to reach Elite Communication. I wonder how much he changed from Goku's time.

And of course, if the Namekkians still have the dragonballs, there is a lot we could wish for. Like, for example, a new planet to teleport all of the exiles AND Garenhulders except for Dandeer and those she is directly mind controlling.

Or even simply perfect/better wards, or a new and improved Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

Really, every option has potential. New friends could get us literally anything for example. After all Goku got "IT" and the Fusion Dance from "new friends" as well.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I have to say meeting Freiza would be interesting.

After all its hard to think of a less pacific character in DBZ, but he's also among the strongest and most skilled characters around.

I have to wonder if he could train Kakara to be an awesome fighter, while also the two basically debate the merits of their respective ways of going about things.

 

[Pittauro]

I have to say meeting Freiza would be interesting.

After all its hard to think of a less pacific character in DBZ, but he's also among the strongest and most skilled characters around.

I have to wonder if he could train Kakara to be an awesome fighter, while also the two basically debate the merits of their respective ways of going about things.

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it really depends on how much Hell and the Tournament of Power changed him.

He did seem to at least respect Goku (and maybe the Z-fighters as a whole) by the end of it.
I suppose it's not impossible he mellowed a bit in the last few centuries. A bit of nostalgia, maybe he's even (secretly) gratefull because if it wasn't for them he'd never have become this strong.

We might even have a common "Enemy", who knows .


It would be one of Kakara's greatest triumph, becoming "friends" with Frieza. Achieving something even her ancestors' couldn't.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

A Cause: Your mind has centered on the issue of Jaffur's Sealing since that summer at the Training Hall, and you find yourself repelled by the whole affair. Everything about it sickens and horrifies you, and rage at Lady Vegeta for her part in it never fails to follow on its heels. Behind these, though, lingers a more quiet, yet insistent conclusion: that this is wrong. That everything about this situation, and everything leading up to it, was wrong. And you will never let it happen again. The revelation of the truth of what happened has only deepened your resolve. Experiences heavy vote weighting in favor of options spiting or thwarting Dandeer Vegeta and must pass Willpower checks to act in line with her interests. Slight prejudice against sorcery and its practitioners gained; you perceive it in your ki senses as feeling, "wrong," and it's nearly impossible to separate that from people entirely, even if you don't let it get to you. Kakara may not remove the destruction of the Seal from her To-Do list, and will occasionally take actions towards that end undirected by the player base. +10 flat bonus to Willpower at all times, which spikes to +20 when acting against Lady Dandeer Vegeta or Jaffur's Seal.

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I wonder what our defeat has done here?

Also what is our maximum power level in this form?

20,000 as a base, but with transformations how far can we push that?

 

[QTesseract]

I have to say meeting Freiza would be interesting.

After all its hard to think of a less pacific character in DBZ, but he's also among the strongest and most skilled characters around.

I have to wonder if he could train Kakara to be an awesome fighter, while also the two basically debate the merits of their respective ways of going about things.

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I'm not going to to lie, that's a fairly major part of the appeal to me. I don't like <freeza the person>, but <freeza the charachter> is fascinating and also relevant to our interests re the enemy. I think it's also kinda a good sign that gohan was the member of the z fighters freeza got along with best.

The main things keeping it from being a shoo in vote are "wow these other options are also super cool," "is it actually freeza," and "Do I want Kakara to, first thing after leaving garenhuld, run smack into golden freeza himself as a shade."

 

[Deathbybunnies]

I would be amazed if meeting Freiza was one of the options, and strongly suspect that Old Enemies means something else.

 

[QTesseract]

I would be amazed if meeting Freiza was one of the options, and strongly suspect that Old Enemies means something else.

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What other real possibilities are there? There's Paragus / Broly, but they're both uncertain atm and probably dead from old age anyway. DB villains are dead, Nappa is dead, raditz is both technically family and dead, Cell is dead, buu is with 17/18 (and thus probably old family), Beerus wasn't really an enemy, not hit, Zamasu is dead.

Freeza and Buu are the only real foes of the Z-fighters to still be alive today, and I suspect that's what the "old" modifier means.

 

[Wiadi]

What other real possibilities are there? There's Paragus / Broly, but they're both uncertain atm and probably dead from old age anyway. DB villains are dead, Nappa is dead, raditz is both technically family and dead, Cell is dead, buu is with 17/18 (and thus probably old family), Beerus wasn't really an enemy, not hit, Zamasu is dead.

Freeza and Buu are the only real foes of the Z-fighters to still be alive today, and I suspect that's what the "old" modifier means.

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Well, we know Buu went looking for 17 & 18 - do we know if he's currently with them?

 

[QTesseract]

Well, we know Buu went looking for 17 & 18 - do we know if he's currently with them?

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That's fair. I don't think they seem super hard to find, and good buu is a stretch as an enemy, but it could be him.

 

[Aranfan]

Kakara is a mouthy bint.

And I fucking love it.

 

[KaintukeeBob]

I'd rather go for something 'new', given that it will pretty much guarantee that we're away from Garenhuld when the magic happens.

'Old' friends, enemies, etc could simply take us into someone's head (like Dad) or take us to the Senzus or take us somewhere interesting but with more direct Dandeer issues.

'New' should take us well away, and I'd vote specifically for 'New Friends' because it puts us somewhere where we can be (relatively) safe for at least a little bit. Then we can lay down the law to our traitor!Dragon and make new friends.

It probably won't find us 17 or 18, but they are known forces in the Galaxy at Large, and shouldn't be too hard to track down later.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

What other real possibilities are there? There's Paragus / Broly, but they're both uncertain atm and probably dead from old age anyway. DB villains are dead, Nappa is dead, raditz is both technically family and dead, Cell is dead, buu is with 17/18 (and thus probably old family), Beerus wasn't really an enemy, not hit, Zamasu is dead.

Freeza and Buu are the only real foes of the Z-fighters to still be alive today, and I suspect that's what the "old" modifier means.

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Only if you limit it to enemies of the Z Fighters. Enemies of the Saiyan race - like the Tuffles - are much more numerous.

 

[QTesseract]

I'd rather go for something 'new', given that it will pretty much guarantee that we're away from Garenhuld when the magic happens.

'Old' friends, enemies, etc could simply take us into someone's head (like Dad) or take us to the Senzus or take us somewhere interesting but with more direct Dandeer issues.

'New' should take us well away, and I'd vote specifically for 'New Friends' because it puts us somewhere where we can be (relatively) safe for at least a little bit. Then we can lay down the law to our traitor!Dragon and make new friends.

It probably won't find us 17 or 18, but they are known forces in the Galaxy at Large, and shouldn't be too hard to track down later.

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I don't think that really makes sense. Kakara almost definitely won't be staying on Garenhuld, since there aren't any trap options and she just had a dramatic exit anyway. If the old prefix refers to Garenhuld, old enemies doesn't make sense either.

Only if you limit it to enemies of the Z Fighters. Enemies of the Saiyan race - like the Tuffles - are much more numerous.

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I mean, maybe. But the exiles don't really connect with the saiyan race pre-goku / Vegeta, and Kakara definitely doesn't. I would be genuinely surprised if any of these connections referred to events before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

@PoptartProdigy
Few Questions
1. Did our message get sent to the Aliens (the captured ones) as well?
2. Why does Karaka think that Dandeer wanted to kill the aliens and sabotage our relationship with the Garnhuldians? I can't really think of a reason why she'd do it beyond either she's mad or she's petty/a third one my sickness weakened mind cannot comprehend.
3. We're dragging Darzel with us right? Does this mean we've entirely removed him from assisting Dandeer unless he escapes us (aside from the possible complication of leaving behind his body without his guiding mind...which in turn means...damn nother question.)
4. Is there anyway for Dandeer reasonably to break the Seal on Darzel's body? It was created by a bunch of Sorcerers, Kakara at Maximum Goddess etc. but as I recall its meant to be quite simple. Just unreasonably powerful. I get the feeling this will fall under lack of understanding of magic or maybe what we got out of Dandelor will be enough.
5. Was Dandeer lying when she was terrified of Kakara in Super Sayin form? She certainly doesn't seem concerned.
6. You told us how and when Yammar was sealed, but I'm more interested in how she got Carrick? He doesn't seem like the kinda person who likes visitors and Dandeer coming to seal him/him going to her and getting sealed seems like the kinda thing he'd have Seen coming...unless this is all part of his master plan to make us the best Seer.

hmmm that is many more questions than I started with, my apologise.

 

[KaintukeeBob]

4. Is there anyway for Dandeer reasonably to break the Seal on Darzel's body? It was created by a bunch of Sorcerers, Kakara at Maximum Goddess etc. but as I recall its meant to be quite simple. Just unreasonably powerful. I get the feeling this will fall under lack of understanding of magic or maybe what we got out of Dandelor will be enough.

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I bet she could, given that she has multiple SSJs ki to work with, but I don't know why she would. There's no reason to suspect that our pretty little dragon won't go right back to 'Murder all the Monkeys' mode given half a chance. She's not suicidal.

5. Was Dandeer lying when she was terrified of Kakara in Super Sayin form? She certainly doesn't seem concerned.

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There's a big difference between someone surprising you with a burst of anger when you are essentially helpless before them (like when we first went SSJ during our meeting with her) and knowingly preparing for them to be there. At first, she had a gut-level reaction to the angry SSJ in close quarters. In this update, she has spent countless years preparing and is ready to see us as SSJ.

1. Did our message get sent to the Aliens (the captured ones) as well?

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I don't think we tried to reach them. It would have been somewhat easy to do so, given that they're being held in the Hall, but they would not have been able (or likely willing) to get to the Senzus. Also, it's possible that the additional wards on their cells would have kept out telepathy out even if we'd tried.

 

[Simon_Jester]

My inclination is to vote 'old friends,' because depending on who that is, it will either:
1) Give us information on how our friends and fellow conspirators are faring on Garenhuld
2) Let us link up with old allies of the Z fighters.

Either appeals to me.

We've actually gone to Otherworld before. We don't know if being a Shade changes things, but we're supposedly able to go pretty much anywhere, even if we couldn't physically reach that place. Otherworld (and, therefore, the afterlife of the Dragon Ball verse) is a location that physically exists, so we should be able to at least temporarily visit and see what the Kais and other deities have to say.

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As a bodiless shade, we may be able to visit the Otherworld.

I'm worried about whether or not we'll be allowed to leave.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

As far as the vote goes, I hereby vote for:

[] Whatever takes us to Jii-chan.

It is time to learn all that our race has forgotten once more.

* @PoptartProdigy signal *

As Kakara would know where she wants to run to, which option leads to the Ancestors?

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No write-ins. Which ancestors?

Does as far as I can tell grabbing his mental consciousness and yanking him along with us count as a free shot?

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Yes.

I'm pretty sure that's still the case, and iirc @PoptartProdigy said that 17s kids evacuated too? I assumed old friends was new namek.

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17's kids were evacuated, yes. No comment on New Namek.

I wonder what our defeat has done here?

Also what is our maximum power level in this form?

20,000 as a base, but with transformations how far can we push that?

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Check the character sheet.

@PoptartProdigy
Few Questions
1. Did our message get sent to the Aliens (the captured ones) as well?
2. Why does Karaka think that Dandeer wanted to kill the aliens and sabotage our relationship with the Garnhuldians? I can't really think of a reason why she'd do it beyond either she's mad or she's petty/a third one my sickness weakened mind cannot comprehend.
3. We're dragging Darzel with us right? Does this mean we've entirely removed him from assisting Dandeer unless he escapes us (aside from the possible complication of leaving behind his body without his guiding mind...which in turn means...damn nother question.)
4. Is there anyway for Dandeer reasonably to break the Seal on Darzel's body? It was created by a bunch of Sorcerers, Kakara at Maximum Goddess etc. but as I recall its meant to be quite simple. Just unreasonably powerful. I get the feeling this will fall under lack of understanding of magic or maybe what we got out of Dandelor will be enough.
5. Was Dandeer lying when she was terrified of Kakara in Super Sayin form? She certainly doesn't seem concerned.
6. You told us how and when Yammar was sealed, but I'm more interested in how she got Carrick? He doesn't seem like the kinda person who likes visitors and Dandeer coming to seal him/him going to her and getting sealed seems like the kinda thing he'd have Seen coming...unless this is all part of his master plan to make us the best Seer.

hmmm that is many more questions than I started with, my apologise.

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1. They're in warded cells, so no.
2. Kakara knew that Dandeer had the means to create those assassins. She knows nothing about possible motives.
3. You are, and seems likely.
4. Theoretically, it's possible, but not really with Dandeer's resources. You're pretty sure that she flat-out doesn't have the accessible power to crack a five-and-change hundred billion power-level-backed seal.
5. Nah, but she was ready for you.
6. Good questions.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I bet she could, given that she has multiple SSJs ki to work with, but I don't know why she would. There's no reason to suspect that our pretty little dragon won't go right back to 'Murder all the Monkeys' mode given half a chance. She's not suicidal.

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Cause we seem to have nicked his consciousness.

Without that she could potentially rig up some kind of automata to run the body and fight. It wouldn't be even 1/10th as skilled as Darzel himself (if that), but as I recall Darzel's base power's still mad.

I mean Kakara thinks she doesn't have the resources, but still.

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NVM being dumb.

• They're in warded cells, so no.

• Kakara knew that Dandeer had the means to create those assassins. She knows nothing about possible motives.

• You are, and seems likely.

• Theoretically, it's possible, but not really with Dandeer's resources. You're pretty sure that she flat-out doesn't have the accessible power to crack a five-and-change hundred billion power-level-backed seal.

• Nah, but she was ready for you.

• Good questions.

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1. Bugger.
2. Blatter.
3. Bon
4. Bingo
5. Bmmm
6. Bummer.