- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'm of the opinion that this one is our safest bet. We are quite literally hanging by a single thread. Let's not pull on it too hard.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Ilamatecuhtli
Aztec Goddess of Fertility and Death
- Location
- Australia
[X] Kakara has an alteration to the plan in mind.
-[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
-[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I will note that "Alteration to the plan, we one-liner Dandeer, then try to free Yammar in the process of the implementation of The Plan" sounds pretty good, but at the moment it is a looong way from winning.
Those of us who have voted only for the "alteration to the plan in mind" vote, such as myself and @Ilamatecuhtli , may want to think about which of the two front-runners we support as an approval voting thing. The longer I think about it, the more I'm tilting towards "fuckit, the original plan is okay" as an approval-vote choice.
Those of us who have voted only for the "alteration to the plan in mind" vote, such as myself and @Ilamatecuhtli , may want to think about which of the two front-runners we support as an approval voting thing. The longer I think about it, the more I'm tilting towards "fuckit, the original plan is okay" as an approval-vote choice.
- Location
- Italy
The longer I think about it, the more i'm tempted to try a completely new plan.
I thought about it a bit, and while changing Dandeer's mind right now is impossible and getting some limited concessions unlikely and not that usefull, the most valuable thing we coult get out of a discussion with Dandeer right now would be informations.
specifically, information about
1) her magic: How is she so much better than every other sorcerer?
2) her motivations: why the genocide? What would Holy Goku and Saint Gohan think of it?!
3) her racism: why is she so dismissive about the Garenhulders while also declaring herself a devout follower of our ancestor gods, protectors of the Earth and the powerless? they would surely disapprove.
4) Dazarel: why is he here? What kind of deal did they make? Is she sure she can trust him?
5) Did she ever plan to release Jaffur? Would she really have left him sealed all of his life? Why didn't she trust him enough to not seal him?
6)tell her both about the near-suicide and the time human soldiers nearly killed him. He nearly died at least twice, and it was us who saved him both times by being in the right place at the right moment.
by playing the defeated, half panicking, "no more will to fight" child we could probably get the answer to a few of our questions (and i'm sure i forgot about some we could ask.) She does want to brag after all.
It's a shame we don't have Papata Fren's elite talent right now...
Would anyone be interested in this kind of subtle, "win by losing" interrogation? Any suggestion on how to write it?
There is still enough time if there is interest
I mean, the answer to the last question is quite possibly that she's completely sure she can trust him because he's under mind control.
- Location
- Italy
I don't know why I didn't think about it
Still, she's probably the type who like to brag, and making some relatively stupid questions might make her underestimate us and volunteer more info
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I really, REALLY don't think we have time to compose a good new plan and have it pick up 20+ votes before the vote is closed...
Maybe we do, but we should at least make sure everyone has made a decision they're comfortable with on the two front-runners, the "rebuttal monologue" and "original plan" choices.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Kakara has an alteration to the plan in mind.
-[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
[X] The original plan. As the vision counseled, Kakara will break her restraints, wreak havoc in order to give the Senzus an opportunity to escape, and send messages to as many people as she can giving them the coordinates to Senzu Hall and an order to get under cover. When she is finally subdued, she will cast herself free in a mind projection to escape Sealing. She'll find a safe place to anchor, and find a way to get stronger in preparation for her return later.
-[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
[X] The original plan. As the vision counseled, Kakara will break her restraints, wreak havoc in order to give the Senzus an opportunity to escape, and send messages to as many people as she can giving them the coordinates to Senzu Hall and an order to get under cover. When she is finally subdued, she will cast herself free in a mind projection to escape Sealing. She'll find a safe place to anchor, and find a way to get stronger in preparation for her return later.
- Location
- in between
I'm going to take the oppurtunity to note that Rebuttal Monologue has a specific part to avoid the eventuality some people are worried about-the moment Dandeer does anything to stop us from talking, we're jumping to plan Future, and honestly, if Dandeer has any more bullshit left to pull out of her ass, she'll do it whether we monologue or not. We have a trait people, and as our QM noted:
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Sure, but that's only if all goes to plan. It's possible that Dandeer will be sufficiently debuffed by distraction not to notice anything, and it's possible all her puppets either won't figure it out or won't choose to act on it, but if either of those possibilities fall through then we're in a massive amount of trouble and even if they don't we haven't really gained much.
Okay, but even assuming we can react in time, Dandeer being on guard for an escape attempt may well introduce sufficient divergence to take away our Sight bonus. Which would be very very bad.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Alternatively, he made a deal with her because she's the only entity on Garenhuld, and quite possibly in the galaxy, who understands exactly what was done to him and might somehow manage to unravel it someday.
Well, I'm concerned that Dandeer might do something that does NOT stop us from talking, but DOES otherwise interfere with our escape...
I'm not saying "Rebuttal Monologue is sure to screw us." I'm just feeling a bit conservative about things or some reason.
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Like, I'm fine with it winning, but I'm personally not comfortable voting for it.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I think we've had plenty of time. Vote closed.
Quite the number of voters! It's a narrow margin of victory, but the win goes to:
[X] Rebuttal Monologue
-[X] Calmly talk about the chains, bring up the concept they use, therefore making Yammar aware.
-[X] Be disappointed that you were unable to save Dandeer from herself, due to your anger at her.
-[X] Bring up the faked injuries and sorcerer massacre, make it seem like we've always known the second. Freak her out and make her doubt her magic, while making it seem that's why we weren't on her side.
-[X] Mention the traitors, terrorists and her plan, make her think the only reason she got this far is because we over-estimated her, while alerting Yammar that a SSJ needs to get out.
-[X] Point out the damage she did to Jaffur and Jaron, driving them to suicide.
-[X] Bring up how she's destroyed anything good in her life, and is doomed to go to hell rather then be with the rest of the ancestors in heaven. Mention actually meeting them, reveal that they're against her.
-[X] Make sure to Willpower Push.
-[X] Counter every argument she makes calmly and fully.
-[X] If we reach the end, and she's not turning, reveal how to break the bindings and implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] If Dandeer tries to shut us up, implement Future Kakara's plan.
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##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Rebuttal Monologue
-[X] Calmly talk about the chains, bring up the concept they use, therefore making Yammar aware.
-[X] Be disappointed that you were unable to save Dandeer from herself, due to your anger at her.
-[X] Bring up the faked injuries and sorcerer massacre, make it seem like we've always known the second. Freak her out and make her doubt her magic, while making it seem that's why we weren't on her side.
-[X] Mention the traitors, terrorists and her plan, make her think the only reason she got this far is because we over-estimated her, while alerting Yammar that a SSJ needs to get out.
-[X] Point out the damage she did to Jaffur and Jaron, driving them to suicide.
-[X] Bring up how she's destroyed anything good in her life, and is doomed to go to hell rather then be with the rest of the ancestors in heaven. Mention actually meeting them, reveal that they're against her.
-[X] Make sure to Willpower Push.
-[X] Counter every argument she makes calmly and fully.
-[X] If we reach the end, and she's not turning, reveal how to break the bindings and implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] If Dandeer tries to shut us up, implement Future Kakara's plan.
No. of Votes: 24
[X] The original plan. As the vision counseled, Kakara will break her restraints, wreak havoc in order to give the Senzus an opportunity to escape, and send messages to as many people as she can giving them the coordinates to Senzu Hall and an order to get under cover. When she is finally subdued, she will cast herself free in a mind projection to escape Sealing. She'll find a safe place to anchor, and find a way to get stronger in preparation for her return later.
No. of Votes: 20
[X] Rebuttal Monologue with vicious additions
-[X] Calmly talk about the chains, bring up the concept they use, therefore making Yammar aware.
-[X] Be disappointed that you were unable to save Dandeer from herself, due to your anger at her.
-[X] Bring up the faked injuries and sorcerer massacre, make it seem like we've always known the second. Freak her out and make her doubt her magic, while making it seem that's why we weren't on her side.
-[X] Mention the traitors, terrorists and her plan, make her think the only reason she got this far is because we over-estimated her, while alerting Yammar that a SSJ needs to get out.
-[x] Point out the damage she did to Jaffur and Jaron, driving them to suicide.
--[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Bring up how she's destroyed anything good in her life, and is doomed to go to hell rather then be with the rest of the ancestors in heaven. Mention actually meeting them, reveal that they're against her.
-[X] Make sure to Willpower Push.
-[X] Counter every argument she makes calmly and fully.
-[X] If we reach the end, and she's not turning, reveal how to break the bindings and implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] If Dandeer tries to shut us up, implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
No. of Votes: 12
[X] Kakara has an alteration to the plan in mind.
-[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
No. of Votes: 11
[X] Damage mitigation speech.
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Make it about Jaffur
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Nope! With Ally.
-[X] Attempt to Sense the Incoming Invasion Fleet (with a Willpower Push if necessary). If successful, immediately break free and IT to the Fleet with Yammar.
--[X] If it fails, proceed to next highest voted plan
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Rebuttal Monologue
-[X] Attempt to Sense the Incoming Invasion Fleet (with a Willpower Push if necessary). If successful, immediately break free and IT to the Fleet with Yammar.
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Spirited Attack
-[X] Attempt to IT out of the hall. Gain distance and charge a spirit bomb
--[X] If the IT fails, proceed to next highest voted plan
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Appeal to Authority
-[X] Mention that you just got out of a vision; feigning (Panic or Complete seriousness, depending on which kakara thinks she's better able to fake in her current emotional state).
--[X] You met Gohan, like you had before with the spirit bomb
--[X] He told you about how you needed to be ready to face a threat to Garenhuld
---[X] Tell her that the threat is a powerful sorcerer, and that you... need her help
---[X] Play up danger to her family, especially Jaffur / Jaron
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Nope!
-[X] Attempt to Sense the Incoming Invasion Fleet (with a Willpower Push if necessary). If successful, immediately break free and IT to the Fleet.
--[X] If it fails, proceed to next highest voted plan
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Whatever wins, try Willpower-pushing the primary action, and also whenever our glorious QM deems wise.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Kill Dandeer
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Talk it out
- [X] Apologize: Kakara has let her anger get the better of her all these years [Intent: Catch Dandeer off guard, get her to listen. Kakara is genuine, though: As much as she hates her, Kakakra can sympathize. She still remembers her early years, just faintly, when she was considered a weakling by everybody and was something of an outcast because of it.]
- [X] Explain: Kakara did this for Jaffur. She has had dreams of Grandpa Gohan visiting her. He taught her the Spirit Bomb, and told her what happened to Jaffur was wrong. [Intent: Play into Ancestor cult worship, play into Dandeer's care for Jaffur.]
- [X] Implore: Be careful with Jaffur. Something else she learned [implied to be from Gohan] was that Jaron and Jaffur are different people. It'd be very easy to kill Jaron. Also... Jaron tried to kill himself. She's scared for others being similarly sealed.
- [X] Assure: Kakara didn't do this to destroy Dandeer's life. She just wanted to help her friend.
- [X] Repeat: Kakara is sorry that it had to end like this. Segue into The Plan, letting Yammar know how to break the chains as best she can.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Attempt to contact Ancestors.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 54
##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Rebuttal Monologue
-[X] Calmly talk about the chains, bring up the concept they use, therefore making Yammar aware.
-[X] Be disappointed that you were unable to save Dandeer from herself, due to your anger at her.
-[X] Bring up the faked injuries and sorcerer massacre, make it seem like we've always known the second. Freak her out and make her doubt her magic, while making it seem that's why we weren't on her side.
-[X] Mention the traitors, terrorists and her plan, make her think the only reason she got this far is because we over-estimated her, while alerting Yammar that a SSJ needs to get out.
-[X] Point out the damage she did to Jaffur and Jaron, driving them to suicide.
-[X] Bring up how she's destroyed anything good in her life, and is doomed to go to hell rather then be with the rest of the ancestors in heaven. Mention actually meeting them, reveal that they're against her.
-[X] Make sure to Willpower Push.
-[X] Counter every argument she makes calmly and fully.
-[X] If we reach the end, and she's not turning, reveal how to break the bindings and implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] If Dandeer tries to shut us up, implement Future Kakara's plan.
No. of Votes: 24
[X] The original plan. As the vision counseled, Kakara will break her restraints, wreak havoc in order to give the Senzus an opportunity to escape, and send messages to as many people as she can giving them the coordinates to Senzu Hall and an order to get under cover. When she is finally subdued, she will cast herself free in a mind projection to escape Sealing. She'll find a safe place to anchor, and find a way to get stronger in preparation for her return later.
No. of Votes: 20
[X] Rebuttal Monologue with vicious additions
-[X] Calmly talk about the chains, bring up the concept they use, therefore making Yammar aware.
-[X] Be disappointed that you were unable to save Dandeer from herself, due to your anger at her.
-[X] Bring up the faked injuries and sorcerer massacre, make it seem like we've always known the second. Freak her out and make her doubt her magic, while making it seem that's why we weren't on her side.
-[X] Mention the traitors, terrorists and her plan, make her think the only reason she got this far is because we over-estimated her, while alerting Yammar that a SSJ needs to get out.
-[x] Point out the damage she did to Jaffur and Jaron, driving them to suicide.
--[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Bring up how she's destroyed anything good in her life, and is doomed to go to hell rather then be with the rest of the ancestors in heaven. Mention actually meeting them, reveal that they're against her.
-[X] Make sure to Willpower Push.
-[X] Counter every argument she makes calmly and fully.
-[X] If we reach the end, and she's not turning, reveal how to break the bindings and implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] If Dandeer tries to shut us up, implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
No. of Votes: 12
[X] Kakara has an alteration to the plan in mind.
-[X] Reveal Jaron's suicidal tendencies in the most painful, distracting way we can, to whit: "Jaffur, what do you think the chances are that Jaron will kill himself to get away from her?"
-[X] Kakara plans to free Yammar as well. Anything else will need to wait until she sees how this shakes out, because she won't be able to focus on anything until it has.
No. of Votes: 11
[X] Damage mitigation speech.
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Make it about Jaffur
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Nope! With Ally.
-[X] Attempt to Sense the Incoming Invasion Fleet (with a Willpower Push if necessary). If successful, immediately break free and IT to the Fleet with Yammar.
--[X] If it fails, proceed to next highest voted plan
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Rebuttal Monologue
-[X] Attempt to Sense the Incoming Invasion Fleet (with a Willpower Push if necessary). If successful, immediately break free and IT to the Fleet with Yammar.
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Spirited Attack
-[X] Attempt to IT out of the hall. Gain distance and charge a spirit bomb
--[X] If the IT fails, proceed to next highest voted plan
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Appeal to Authority
-[X] Mention that you just got out of a vision; feigning (Panic or Complete seriousness, depending on which kakara thinks she's better able to fake in her current emotional state).
--[X] You met Gohan, like you had before with the spirit bomb
--[X] He told you about how you needed to be ready to face a threat to Garenhuld
---[X] Tell her that the threat is a powerful sorcerer, and that you... need her help
---[X] Play up danger to her family, especially Jaffur / Jaron
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Nope!
-[X] Attempt to Sense the Incoming Invasion Fleet (with a Willpower Push if necessary). If successful, immediately break free and IT to the Fleet.
--[X] If it fails, proceed to next highest voted plan
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Whatever wins, try Willpower-pushing the primary action, and also whenever our glorious QM deems wise.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Kill Dandeer
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Talk it out
- [X] Apologize: Kakara has let her anger get the better of her all these years [Intent: Catch Dandeer off guard, get her to listen. Kakara is genuine, though: As much as she hates her, Kakakra can sympathize. She still remembers her early years, just faintly, when she was considered a weakling by everybody and was something of an outcast because of it.]
- [X] Explain: Kakara did this for Jaffur. She has had dreams of Grandpa Gohan visiting her. He taught her the Spirit Bomb, and told her what happened to Jaffur was wrong. [Intent: Play into Ancestor cult worship, play into Dandeer's care for Jaffur.]
- [X] Implore: Be careful with Jaffur. Something else she learned [implied to be from Gohan] was that Jaron and Jaffur are different people. It'd be very easy to kill Jaron. Also... Jaron tried to kill himself. She's scared for others being similarly sealed.
- [X] Assure: Kakara didn't do this to destroy Dandeer's life. She just wanted to help her friend.
- [X] Repeat: Kakara is sorry that it had to end like this. Segue into The Plan, letting Yammar know how to break the chains as best she can.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Attempt to contact Ancestors.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 54
Quite the number of voters! It's a narrow margin of victory, but the win goes to:
[X] Rebuttal Monologue
-[X] Calmly talk about the chains, bring up the concept they use, therefore making Yammar aware.
-[X] Be disappointed that you were unable to save Dandeer from herself, due to your anger at her.
-[X] Bring up the faked injuries and sorcerer massacre, make it seem like we've always known the second. Freak her out and make her doubt her magic, while making it seem that's why we weren't on her side.
-[X] Mention the traitors, terrorists and her plan, make her think the only reason she got this far is because we over-estimated her, while alerting Yammar that a SSJ needs to get out.
-[X] Point out the damage she did to Jaffur and Jaron, driving them to suicide.
-[X] Bring up how she's destroyed anything good in her life, and is doomed to go to hell rather then be with the rest of the ancestors in heaven. Mention actually meeting them, reveal that they're against her.
-[X] Make sure to Willpower Push.
-[X] Counter every argument she makes calmly and fully.
-[X] If we reach the end, and she's not turning, reveal how to break the bindings and implement Future Kakara's plan.
-[X] If Dandeer tries to shut us up, implement Future Kakara's plan.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Was I right to be wary of the winner?
WorthyAlchemist?
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
- Location
- That place...yeah that one
Only time and the next update may tell...
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- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Hey, it'll work, or we'll Bad-End. Either way, gonna get a definitive result.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
- Location
- Melbourne, Australia
He isn't mind controlled now, that was the entiee previous post.
- Location
- Italy
he's probably not mind controlled anymore. How could Dandeer brag otherwise? She's arrogant and careless like that
It's obvious she has never read the Evil Overlord List
so, here are a few extracts from the Evil Overlord list, Dandeer style (mostly seal instead of kill)
6) I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before sealing them.
7) When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and seal him. No, on second thought I'll seal him then say "No.
11) I will be secure in my superiority. Therefore, I will feel no need to brag or monologue to my captured/defeated enemies
12) One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation
14) The hero is not entitled to a last request.
16) I will never utter the sentence "But before I seal you, there's just one thing I want to know."
17) When I mind control people into being my advisors, I will occasionally listen to their advice.
18) I will not mistreat/enslave my son. Especially if he actually loves me. Although his laughably under-planned attempt at revenge would easily fail, it would provide a fatal distraction at a crucial point in time.
36) I will not imprison members of the same party in the same cell block, let alone the same cell. Even better, i won't imprison them at all. Immediately sealing them is more efficient.
42) When I capture Kakara i will make sure to also get her friends, her family and any possible ally who could conceivably try to rescue her at the last moment, or hide to undermine my reign until they're strong enough to try something. I will then kill them or seal them as soon as convenient
47) If I learn that a baby (Kakara) has begun a quest to destroy me, I will seal her while she is still a baby instead of waiting for her to mature. It worked with Yammar and Berra after all.
Extra) If i use a mind control spell so that my enemies will not be able to act against me, i will ALSO make it so that they warn me if they find out something i'd like to know, like EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHERS ORGANIZING A CONSPIRACY AGAINST ME!
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Truly, the loss of the Evil Overlady List with the destruction of Earth is one of the greatest cultural losses ever suffered by the Exiles of Garenhuld.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
i mean, its entirely possible that she did stipukate that, and then yammar "convinced" himself that knowing about a conspiracy to take her out would make her unhappy, so she wouldn't want to know about it.
- Location
- in between
Bit late, but what were the DB ones? I'm a little interested.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Nah, that doesn't line up - the effect on him didn't include any active compulsions at all, just enforced passivity and lack of initiative. At least, that was how I understood Poptart's explanation, which was (IIRC) out-of-universe & should therefore be reliable.
- Location
- in between