- Location
- United States
So what does this mean for Apeiron's Shaker rating? Probably Shaker 15 would be justifiable; on the other hand randomly changing the laws of the universe isn't something relevant to PRT squads engaging him as a threat.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- He
with his level of alchemy+his speed
might as well be 15
might as well be 15
- Pronouns
- He
Keter, plus plus ultra Supreme discount apocalypse, now with 1000% more tinker
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Apeiron Threat Response:
Stratagem 1) Promise to resolve the issue within 3* days and increase priority scale of issue to highest level, no matter how inconsequential seeming or how innocuous the object or entity appears. While Apeiron's priorities seem to be skewed despite conventional logic, even by Parahuman sourced standards or the vetting of Thinkers, they invariably uncover danger on a catastrophic scale.
1.1*) Three days is generally how long a standard upgrade cycle seems to take on average according to earliest reports.
Stratagem 2) Xanatos Gambit pileup. Coordination with multiple organizations with obscene complexity and varied interests as possible. This will cause Apeiron to waste time appropriately categorizing each player and hopefully be caught in an upgrade spiral before taking action. This strategy is partly contingent on each gambit being falsified yet convincing, as real incidences of this happening often result in [REDACTED]. Refer to incidents A-Gamma and C-Epsilon as primary examples.
Stratagem 3) Cooperate with him in all respects. This is an oft-ignored tactic, as it has a side-effect of making other Protectorate branches who refuse to cooperate look incompetent each time it works.
Stratagem 1) Promise to resolve the issue within 3* days and increase priority scale of issue to highest level, no matter how inconsequential seeming or how innocuous the object or entity appears. While Apeiron's priorities seem to be skewed despite conventional logic, even by Parahuman sourced standards or the vetting of Thinkers, they invariably uncover danger on a catastrophic scale.
1.1*) Three days is generally how long a standard upgrade cycle seems to take on average according to earliest reports.
Stratagem 2) Xanatos Gambit pileup. Coordination with multiple organizations with obscene complexity and varied interests as possible. This will cause Apeiron to waste time appropriately categorizing each player and hopefully be caught in an upgrade spiral before taking action. This strategy is partly contingent on each gambit being falsified yet convincing, as real incidences of this happening often result in [REDACTED]. Refer to incidents A-Gamma and C-Epsilon as primary examples.
Stratagem 3) Cooperate with him in all respects. This is an oft-ignored tactic, as it has a side-effect of making other Protectorate branches who refuse to cooperate look incompetent each time it works.
- Location
- United States
The funny thing is, thanks to Joe's precog redirection, this is what precogs would actually think in-universe.
- Location
- Up on a Hill
I'm pretty sure they have one soul due to their metaphysically centralized sense of self, despite being a hivemind. So yeah, they could, but only as much as one person.
- Location
- Behind you
Funnily enough, the SCP Foundation may actually be more friendly with him than the PRT. They may even let him study other SCPs under supervision to either to better contain or actually understand how they work.
I mean, I feel like Earth Bet is something the Foundation would take one look at and either stay the heck away or try to use everything there to get rid of SCP-682. I wonder if Path to Victory would have any success.
- Location
- A big rock
If you wanna give the entities a negentropic life form, be my guest.
- Location
- Philippines
You know very well what will happen in that scenario.
BIOTINKER ALERT! BIOTINKER ALERT!
BIOTINKER CREATION HAS BEEN SEEN ROAMING DOWNTOWN
REPORTS OF POWERFUL CONTACT BASED MASTER EFFECT
CLEANSE IT WITH FIRE AND DUE PREJUDICE
IndigoPhoenix
Devourer of Citrus
- Location
- Everywehere
It's always been my personal headcannon that 682 has a secondary effect that makes whoever holds it captive want to destroy it by any means possible. It's the only possible source of the irrational need to destroy it demonstrated in the article. The foundation has so many worse things that they just accept.
This is what caused the events of scp-5000. The foundation could not bear to live in a world without 999
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- Location
- A big rock
The foundation wants to kill 682 cause they feel like they can. It's like gambling if you didn't lose money, they feel like they can try to kill 682 without consequences and doing so would rid the world of 682.
I'm pretty sure deep SCP lore shows that 682 is connected to something a lot worse.
- Location
- Somewhere in The Woods
Seven spears, seven seals, seven brides for the Scarlet K-
- Location
- Up on a Hill
Yeah, and isn't there a whole enemy organization dedicated to destroying anomalies? Why would the foundation be doing their job this one time? I guess there are a million viable explanations in an inherently inconsistent setting like SCP, but really it's just early installment weirdness.
And this is pretty off topic, so I'll make this my one and only post related to the subject.
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Cosmic
Novel Addict
- Location
- Library Nexus
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
They would be noticeably enhanced and Joe would have better and instinctual control of the powers. How much and how it's enhanced is mostly up to Lord to decide since the perk doesn't detail much but we know that the abilities collectively have to be to the point where you can fight some mid-term gods at least. The more there's to work with, the more you get out of it. Minor Blessing is intented to be a boon where you gain the diminished version of one ability of a demigod due to a god caring about you slightly. I'd assume at the very least the diminished part will be removed due to Glory to Me. I'm skeptical on it leading to more than the one ability gained per blessing; I'm assuming it just boosts the one ability to a greater extent so it covers more within that domain along with more power and control.
1) The Mantra metaphysics are at least carried over to the localized area. I'm not sure about worldwide but it should be at minimum be within the range of Joe's transmitters. Here's the doc text:
The Wheel of Karma has Turned
As a general statement, if you go to a jump that lacks Mantra, Gohma, Souls or Reincarnation, you can assume that you 'carry with you' these traits and imbue them upon the world in such a way as to ensure your continued existence. This effect is inherently neutral, on it's own. You must decide to exploit it or not.
Mantra Technology in the Wider Multiverse
As long as people have souls, can pray, and can feel emotions, they can provide power for elaborate mantra systems and technology. This includes yourself. By teaching Mantra techniques or utilizing Mantra Technologies in other jumps, you will, at least in a localized area, add Mantra metaphysics to whatever setting happen to be in. Mantra mechanics will integrate with local metaphysics as best as possible, and a degree of common sense is encouraged.
For example, as detailed below, for mantra to be generated, there must be a planet (or equivalent), people living on it, and those people need to feel things. A Philosopher's Stone would not be 'Living', so it cannot generate prayer or emotional mantra. You could however consume the souls directly with a mantra device, if you so choose.
If you took any of the theotech cybernetic perks, those upgrades are integrated seamlessly into your body however, channeling larger amounts of Mantra can gradually reveal your body's true nature. Basically you get a perfect passive 'I'm normal!' disguise until you bust open the mantra.
Mantra Prayer Generating Infrastructure must be rebuilt with each jump you cannot carry it over in full.
As a general statement, if you go to a jump that lacks Mantra, Gohma, Souls or Reincarnation, you can assume that you 'carry with you' these traits and imbue them upon the world in such a way as to ensure your continued existence. This effect is inherently neutral, on it's own. You must decide to exploit it or not.
Mantra Technology in the Wider Multiverse
As long as people have souls, can pray, and can feel emotions, they can provide power for elaborate mantra systems and technology. This includes yourself. By teaching Mantra techniques or utilizing Mantra Technologies in other jumps, you will, at least in a localized area, add Mantra metaphysics to whatever setting happen to be in. Mantra mechanics will integrate with local metaphysics as best as possible, and a degree of common sense is encouraged.
For example, as detailed below, for mantra to be generated, there must be a planet (or equivalent), people living on it, and those people need to feel things. A Philosopher's Stone would not be 'Living', so it cannot generate prayer or emotional mantra. You could however consume the souls directly with a mantra device, if you so choose.
If you took any of the theotech cybernetic perks, those upgrades are integrated seamlessly into your body however, channeling larger amounts of Mantra can gradually reveal your body's true nature. Basically you get a perfect passive 'I'm normal!' disguise until you bust open the mantra.
Mantra Prayer Generating Infrastructure must be rebuilt with each jump you cannot carry it over in full.
As others mentioned, you need the tech and training to channel Mantra. Here's the WoG:
Mantra requires training to use and serious infrastructure to channel. Mantra transmitters only have a one mile range and a maximum capacity of 10,000 people. You basically need a planet wide network to reach substantial levels. Also, Mantra generation requires formal prayer sessions, not just general adoration. Unless someone is leading prayer sessions for an online celebrity (not an impossible situation) you won't get proper mantra generation kicking off. It's unlikely that Joe introducing Mantra as a concept will have any impact until he starts sharing the principles of Mantra generation, transmission, and use. Joe can also build transmitters that are significantly better than the base models that come from the jump, meaning better range and higher capacity, making it easier to get a planetary network implemented."Technically possible. Most people would barely be able to handle the Mantra energy of ten people praying without their body tearing itself apart." - 59 Summit Openings
OK, you realize that someone could easily get ten times that by starting an OnlyFans?
I think Earth-Bet could be about to hit a wave of spontaneous combustion incidents.
2) I'd assume it'd depend on how their powers operate. Cause I'm skeptical of their power being one that detects emotional spiritual energies. I'd assume it merely detects emotions of the target organisms (through scans and assessing the biological and neurological data) then represent/visualize it in a manner the host can process.
Of course there's the magic equivancy which complicates things. But you could still argue it still works like how I outlined. Divine the biological and neurological structures/patterns of the target related to emotion and display/convey the results in an understandable format to the caster.
Also, Mantra might be out of context like Spiral and psychic energy so it might not be detected by Shards.
What is Mantra?
Mantra is a combination of sapient emotion, mingled with the properties of the soul, and the energies of the planets and similar such things people live on. For mantra to exist, people must be living. Not merely existing, (though there is a fine line).
Mantra is the interaction between the spirit of the world, the emotional textures of those who live on and near such worlds, and their lives as seen through the great wheel of reincarnation.
Mantra is a combination of sapient emotion, mingled with the properties of the soul, and the energies of the planets and similar such things people live on. For mantra to exist, people must be living. Not merely existing, (though there is a fine line).
Mantra is the interaction between the spirit of the world, the emotional textures of those who live on and near such worlds, and their lives as seen through the great wheel of reincarnation.
3) Like people pointed out, I don't think the Endbringers can channel and use Mantra due to their nature and due to no access to the technology and techniques. Refer to the WoG in #1 for the question on Mathers.
4) That's a tricky one that you'd need to either ask Lord or Shyft.
How do you get Mantra?
As mentioned elsewhere in the jump, Mantra is an ambient and channeled power. If you are simply near a source of prayer directed at you/your group, you will receive one mantra source per prayer action, per person (usually taking about 13 hours per prayer ritual). The same applies to feeling emotional mantra within your area of influence.
Mantra does not make a distinction regarding the nature and type of world and soul which generates it. A soul is a soul, and a world is a world. If you encourage the use of Mantra, Mantra will flow. A Soul, no matter how strange or powerful, is always just 1, 10 or 1000 mantra sources, if you receive prayer or emotion, prayer and emotion, or purify the soul deliberately.
● General Mantra: Anyone with a soul performing ritual prayer action directed at you or things categorically like you (such as the same race) count as a single source of Mantra. Without a Mantra Transmitter, only prayer that occurs within 1 mile of you counts.
● Emotional Mantra: Someone feeling or displaying an emotion (but not praying) in line with your resonant theme counts as one source. Without a Mantra Transmitter, you can only draw Mantra from emotions within 1 mile of your location.
○ If a single person is BOTH performing ritual behavior that is resonant resonant with your own Mantra, they counts as ten sources.
○ Ex. Having the Mantra of Wrath means that angry people make you stronger. Angry praying people make you REALLY strong.
○ Infinite Willpower or other such effects do not interact with Emotional Mantra Someone is either feeling the emotion,or they're not. Asura is a unique case in that his rage is boundless.
As mentioned elsewhere in the jump, Mantra is an ambient and channeled power. If you are simply near a source of prayer directed at you/your group, you will receive one mantra source per prayer action, per person (usually taking about 13 hours per prayer ritual). The same applies to feeling emotional mantra within your area of influence.
Mantra does not make a distinction regarding the nature and type of world and soul which generates it. A soul is a soul, and a world is a world. If you encourage the use of Mantra, Mantra will flow. A Soul, no matter how strange or powerful, is always just 1, 10 or 1000 mantra sources, if you receive prayer or emotion, prayer and emotion, or purify the soul deliberately.
● General Mantra: Anyone with a soul performing ritual prayer action directed at you or things categorically like you (such as the same race) count as a single source of Mantra. Without a Mantra Transmitter, only prayer that occurs within 1 mile of you counts.
● Emotional Mantra: Someone feeling or displaying an emotion (but not praying) in line with your resonant theme counts as one source. Without a Mantra Transmitter, you can only draw Mantra from emotions within 1 mile of your location.
○ If a single person is BOTH performing ritual behavior that is resonant resonant with your own Mantra, they counts as ten sources.
○ Ex. Having the Mantra of Wrath means that angry people make you stronger. Angry praying people make you REALLY strong.
○ Infinite Willpower or other such effects do not interact with Emotional Mantra Someone is either feeling the emotion,or they're not. Asura is a unique case in that his rage is boundless.
Edit: @drvash So I talked to Shyft and he clarified a bit. Shyft stated that his ruling/desire is that you are encouraged to make ritual behaviors/prayers and that if prayer is your job, you are a priest meaning basically 1-3 hours of actual ritual behavior which is just 1 Mantra per prayer or 10 Mantra per emotion+prayer. Mind you he said he basically just pulled numbers out of thin air as to give something to jumpers to mess with.
Think of prayer as a job. So short casual few-second prayers or even the five-minute ones some may do before bed aren't enough for Mantra generation. It can't just be any prayer. It needs to be long dedicated ritual prayer like those of a job, of a priest. It's why the skulls of the Laboratorium were suitable for generating enough for Level 1 Mantra. The reasoning behind this is that "the theo-industrial complex of Shinkoku Trastrium needs a dedicated prayer base of practitioners to run" and "that back in the day of Jumpchain, there was this push for 'consequential' upgrades that you couldn't fiat away, the Hindu theotech was [Shyft's] stab at that, where it was all about - if you want Mantra, lean into the aesthetic." So, this extreme requirement for the prayer needed for Mantra generation is reflecting how it is in the Asura's Wrath setting and its aesthetic.
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- Location
- Somewhere and Nowhere in a state of super-position
Thaumiel after they get to understand/know him more.
- Location
- Baguio City, Philippines
- Pronouns
- He/Him
i can see Apeiron, The Enigmatic Artificer being a Thaumiel
Now I'm just wondering what his workshop would count as.
IndigoPhoenix
Devourer of Citrus
- Location
- Everywehere
I can see apeiron going from Euclid (not a massive problem) to Apollyon (only God can save us, oh wait we locked him up we're doomed) to Thaumiel (friendly bois….. or at least mostly helpful bois) as more info is discovered about him.
(SCP-5031: Just another murder monster is a good deconstruction of early scps, especially 682, and one of my favorites. I highly recommend it. It shows the difference in attitudes of the authors over the years really well.)
But they can't though, that's like the whole point of 682. Destroying anomalies isn't the foundation's thing. The early authors just hadn't figured that out yet.
(SCP-5031: Just another murder monster is a good deconstruction of early scps, especially 682, and one of my favorites. I highly recommend it. It shows the difference in attitudes of the authors over the years really well.)
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682 hates humans , and is malicious. I think that
They want to kill it before it stops being lazy.
- Location
- Somewhere and Nowhere in a state of super-position
Possibly Euclid
The Immulsion pump and the color laboratory are worrying, but he's already put the immulsion pump in a box. Only the color laboratory is a continual issue, since it's growing.
Mostly I think of Apollyon being "Oh fuck" when they normally just go "difficult to contain/mitigate"(Keter) or "temperamental"(Euclid).
It's the unflappable man suddenly being flapped.
You know somethings up when that happens
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