Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

I had written about this before, but Joe is already way past nanotech. Nanotech refers specifically to technology working at 10^-9 power, and individual atomic manipulation bypasses that, so even before this chapter calling something nanotech was just a convenience for the sake of the viewer since most people aren't familiar with scales below the nano prefix. With Joe's current miniaturization perks, he is currently working in the 10^-18 range at minimum and I suspect it might be even lower. So in summary he has bypassed pico tech and is ready to work with atto tech. I'm not sure how many miniaturization perks are left, but by endgame I suspect Joe will be able to work at sub-planck scale levels, due to breaking physics.
The closest perk I chosen of Death, which comes with miniaturization techniques,allowing hand held devices that work on a massive scale,as burn graffiti on the moon or earase a whole mountain with a device the size of two large cans of deodorant.

The miniaturization is more a side benefit though,so it won't be noticeable.

There is also the kernel perks,but I don't think it will be to impact full on the size of items.
 
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They really came back years later just to specify their username is not in relation to Bakuda. It must have really bothered them.
 
The closest perk I chosen of Death, which comes with miniaturization techniques,allowing hand held devices that work on a massive scale,as burn graffiti on the moon or earase a whole mountain with a device the size of two large cans of deodorant.

The miniaturization is more a side benefit though,so it won't be noticeable.

There is also the kernel perks,but I don't think it will be to impact full on the size of items.
There is a RWBY perk in the Capstone Constellation called Bigger on the Inside that seems to miniaturize about as well as Gadget Master from the description (I haven't done the math, just guesstimating). One example given is a Bazooka into the size of a bottle.
 
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That's way less then the scaling of ME, but still pretty crazy.
Yeah, but the real crazy thing is that Gadget Master, M/E and Bigger on the Inside all stack. Combine it with the Macross perk to remove unnecessary parts to make room for more stuff and the Lego perk for Efficiency and it truly gets crazy.
 
There is a RWBY perk in the Capstone Constellation called Bigger on the Inside that seems to miniaturize about as well as Gadget Master from the description (I haven't done the math, just guesstimating). One example given is a Bazooka into the size of a bottle.
The Perk is actually a book that teaches miniaturization techniques that starts with bazookas into bottles (Oobleck's weapon I think) and leads into Cars into cupholders. So not only is it a powerful miniaturization Perk (smallest cars are subcompact cars with volume of 85-99.9 cubic feet and average cupholder can hold a soda can perfectly, and soda cans have a volume of 355ml or 0.0125367067 cubic feet, so a minimum of 85/0.0125367067=6780 decrease in total volume or an 18.9267726 decrease in size in all 3 dimensions) but it also can be taught to others, because it says 'A book that teaches' and doesn't at all specify that only you can use it! Also, it says that a 'master of this knows how to miniaturize around living things! It's very uncomfortable for them, so they won't stay like that.' so Joe can temporarily store people and creatures in super tight spaces as needed like Taiyang did to mail Zwei to team RWBY along with dozens upon dozens of cans of dog food in a small envelope. As a baseline, because 1.) this all stacks with the other Perks to get 10*19*100=19000 in each dimension or a total of 1/6,859,000,000,000 scale while maintaining the capabilities of a 1/1 version and 2.) this is the bare minimum. What if we're not talking subcompact cars, but compact cars? Or regular or larger cars? What if the cupholder only needs to hold the bottom third of the can and so is a third as big? What if M/E uses bigger fusion reactors and smaller watch batteries (not even getting into how it said that was the baseline and how it could easily be pushed let alone the part where Parahuman powers can grow along their parameters, even Tinker powers)? All of these mean that Joe can keep going even further. At this rate, I really think that this:
Nanobots with the power of Gundams. Because nothing matters anymore.
Might eventually be viable.
 
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Nanobots with the power of Gundams. Because nothing matters anymore.
Well, the law of Super Robotics says the more Super Robots you Gattai together the more powerful the resulting combined Super Robot. Therefore, given there is no mention of size, give each of the nano-Gundams combiner tech from Master Builder so that they can all Gattai into one Super Robot that looks like Matrix's current form, but has enough power to stomp Tybalt! :p
 
I've found this WOG of Lord, and if I understand everything correctly, he can in fact resurrect Parahumans, because Shardspace counts as an afterlife. However, the summoned beings are more constructs than the actual person brought to life.
Well he could probably true resurrect them considering one of his perks lets him see the that life force outline which is as he states the scientific map of the soul, he even states that as long as any body he makes as the persons soul map they would objectively be the same person.
Though I may have some of that wrong if I do feel free to correct me.

There is a RWBY perk in the Capstone Constellation called Bigger on the Inside that seems to miniaturize about as well as Gadget Master from the description (I haven't done the math, just guesstimating). One example given is a Bazooka into the size of a bottle.
Really "Bigger on the Inside" is a RWBY perk?
Would of thought that would belong to DW.
 
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Dude, again. If you want to reply to multiple comments, please reply to them in the same comment.
 
What if M/E uses bigger fusion reactors and smaller watch batteries (not even getting into how it said that was the baseline and how it could easily be pushed let alone the part where Parahuman powers can grow along their parameters, even Tinker powers)?
I would've assumed a smaller nuclear reactor than @LordRoustabout did, working on a different principle. I found one, formerly commercially available, that was 13x3 inches. This particular fusion reactor was configured as a neutron source rather than a power generator, however.
 
Well he could probably true resurrect them considering one of his perks lets him see the that life force outline which is as he states the scientific map of the soul, he even states that as long as any body he makes as the persons soul map they would objectively be the same person.
Though I may have some of that wrong if I do feel free to correct me.
Tybalt can true resurrect parahumans that died on the battlefield, maybe normals too if he is right there as they die. LordR has ruled that neither Apeiron nor Tybalt has access to the afterlife that normal people's souls go to from Worm (Parahuman souls go to their Shards in the Firmament/Shard Space). Well, Joe has access to Hell, but apparently it isn't the Hell that the people of Worm go to or maybe he just doesn't want to deal with demons and such.

But yes, if Apeiron set up some machine in advance he could "catch" someone's soul before it passed on and resurrect them. Joe could even set something like that up for himself, but it would count as Jump failure and, while he would keep what he has, he would get nothing new from the Celestial Forge. He could get around that by jumping bodies before he died, but he doesn't know about the penalty for his own death (and resurrection) nor this loophole.
 
If merely scanning, than you are still leaving the original souls hanging and merely making due with perfect copies.
If you are left to die, but a perfect copy of you is made and given a life of luxury, is that right or even reasonable?
Should a perfect duplicate count for all purposes as the original?
The answers and logic for these questions can be intuitively mapped to your proposed concept as it stands.

One may attempt to get around these issues by killing or destroying originals, but that raises new dilemmas.
Is it right to end a life to enable another to fill its role or create a sense of continuity in which a desired result is emulated?
Does appearance and practical effect take precedence over history and real personal continuity for the individual?
In every moment you are destroyed and replaced by a slightly different version of yourself. The person you were 5 years ago is not the exact same person you are now. If the duplication is good enough then which is the original is irrelevant.
 
In every moment you are destroyed and replaced by a slightly different version of yourself. The person you were 5 years ago is not the exact same person you are now. If the duplication is good enough then which is the original is irrelevant.
Irrelevant, as at no moment does this process happen with sufficient rapidity, separation, or force as to destroy the maintenance and existence of your mental form.
It should also be noted that you seemingly fail to comprehend the manner in which my arguments depend on and lean on original perspective as apposed to observer and copy perspective.
The original complex dynamic viewpoint or mind still lies in previous state except with a stand-in and has not inherently in that sense at least been done any favors.
An afterlife of such nature as a copy and paste would therefore be of no use except as a way of insuring a happy legacy aspected to an individual lives on with their memories and the ability of families to interact with said legacies which by virtue of their modeling my act at least for some time as living wills and executors on behalf of their origins.
 
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mental continuity between clones
I don't think we're quite at full continuity just yet.
I just realised that M&E specifies that "All powers may be toggled on and off" and that "all powers are instinctual.". That seems kinda useful.
I think this just applies to parahuman powers from the worm jumpdoc
Tldr Joe is basically Lisa's brother all over again
Hmm, I think there's some significant differences. One Joe isn't on a downward spiral to suicide, two she's seeing it in realtime instead of in retrospect.
This seems to be the first mention of this user.
Hey @LordRoustabout I was about to ask why Tybalt doesn't have Chrono Trigger magic when I saw this from the Chapter 49 - AO3 Comments:
2) The felyne will get every free companion option from Jumps Joe already has access to as well as receive free options from new jumps when Joe gets the relevant perk. Sometimes the companion import might be tied to a specific perk, the same way I allocate certain free items to certain perks, but they will still be accessible. If the import gives a free background or point stipend then I will allocate those for the felyne.
So that's why Tybalt hasn't gotten the Free Companion Import and Element from Chrono Trigger? Is he going to get it when Joe gets an Element just like he'll get the Symphogear when Joe does?
I expect it'll come with the first of mega bomb and guru. That's when Joe gets that magic system.
I had written about this before, but Joe is already way past nanotech. Nanotech refers specifically to technology working at 10^-9 power, and individual atomic manipulation bypasses that, so even before this chapter calling something nanotech was just a convenience for the sake of the viewer since most people aren't familiar with scales below the nano prefix. With Joe's current miniaturization perks, he is currently working in the 10^-18 range at minimum and I suspect it might be even lower. So in summary he has bypassed pico tech and is ready to work with atto tech. I'm not sure how many miniaturization perks are left, but by endgame I suspect Joe will be able to work at sub-planck scale levels, due to breaking physics.
Why would Joe build at that scale though... what's the advantage? Also, what would he be building things out of? The real advantage of the miniaturization perks is fitting more features into the same volume especially for nanotech.
 
Is a Planck like the smallest possible measurement? I heard that somewhere, but I'm not quite sure.
Yes.

The Planck length is approximately the size of a black hole where quantum and gravitational effects are at the same scale.

The Planck length is expected to be the shortest measurable distance, since any attempt to investigate the possible existence of shorter distances, by performing higher-energy collisions, would inevitably result in black hole production. Higher-energy collisions, rather than splitting matter into finer pieces, would simply produce bigger black holes.

The strings of string theory are modeled to be on the order of the Planck length.
 
Irrelevant, as at no moment does this process happen with sufficient rapidity, separation, or force as to destroy the maintenance and existence of your mental form.
It should also be noted that you seemingly fail to comprehend the manner in which my arguments depend on and lean on original perspective as apposed to observer and copy perspective.
The original complex dynamic viewpoint or mind still lies in previous state except with a stand-in and has not inherently in that sense at least been done any favors.
An afterlife of such nature as a copy and paste would therefore be of no use except as a way of insuring a happy legacy aspected to an individual lives on with their memories and the ability of families to interact with said legacies which by virtue of their modeling my act at least for some time as living wills and executors on behalf of their origins.
Your mental form is instantaneously destroyed and replaced. The perception of continuity is an illusion. The classification of identity is a social construct.

The rapidity, separation or force isn't important. What is important is the continuity of important values and personal characteristics. If aliens gradually alter your mind by tweaking individual neurons over the course of a decade so that at the end of it your brain is like a mental clone of Hitler then isn't that personality death no matter how long it takes? On the other hand if aliens rapidly rewire your brain so you like licorice more than vanilla (or vice versa) then is that really a death?

Here is another scenario.

Situation A: You get a magic nanobot pill that when consumed improves the physical health of the body to peak health.

Situation B: You get a magic nanobot pill that when consumed scans the entire body, painlessly turns the body into a kind of nanorobot controlled goo (including the brain). Then uses the goo to construct a new healthy body based on the saved data.

If the person at the end of Situation A and Situation B is physically and mentally identical then why would you need to declare B legally dead? They are the same person, B just spent some time unconscious, stored in memory.
 
I searched but couldn't find the jumpchain texts the LordRoustabout hopes to add to the forge, someone would have them to share.
So that we have an idea of what might appear from now on, the jumpchains that have advantages are these.

Expected Additions
Binbougami ga: Glove of the East.
Bloodborne : Workshop Artisan, Blood Artisan Plus, Workshop Equipment.
Final Fantasy XIV : Crystal Metallurgy, Inner Linings, Material Hybridization, Magitek Augmentation Theories 14th Edition, Magitek | The Legionsx5 | Garlond Ironworks buff, Ruins of the Last Age | Mythology | Azys Lla data, Form and Function, Innovator, Cold Fires, Composition Analysis, Harmless Extraction | Extraction Efficiency | Rapid Growth.
Kingdom Hearts : Master Synthesist.
 
I searched but couldn't find the jumpchain texts the LordRoustabout hopes to add to the forge, someone would have them to share.
I don't know which of these exactly, but the Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference has all the jump chain doc links:

docs.google.com

Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference

Possible Perks Domain No. ,Constellation,Place in Domain,Place Overall,Name,Origin Jump,Min Cost,Cluster Cost,All Costs,Chance to Roll (Not counting CP required),Description,Perks available 12,Alchemy Constellation,9,294,Mixing Mixtures,Banjo-Kazooie,200,200,200,1.39%,Your created potions can be...
 
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