Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

I think the best entrance for Aperion, at least in terms of freaking out all the villains, would be to show up early and sit around cloaked.

Imagine, everyone else walks in one group at a time, their eyes skipping over an "empty" table in the middle of the room as they take a seat somewhere else. Right when they start wondering if Apeiron will bother to show up, his squad drops their cloaking/stranger power and all the villains realize that the table was never actually empty.

After all, I'm sure Apeiron can make something to completely avoid detection. The elven cloak is extremely powerful already, and it's basically 3 day old technology at this point :V (anyone remember in which chapter it was made?)
Made funnier when you consider that, in canon, the "central table" was where the "major powers" sat, while everyone else was arrayed around the outside. And, even then, only the Leaders and direct subordinates were at the table, everyone else was off with hoi polloi.

Apeiron and his group holding court from the table, while everyone else — Kaiser and Coil included — are squeezed into booths? That's a power-play.
 
Active/overt power use is supposed to be against the truce and I imagine that such a display may incite someone to violence.
 
It's a bit off topic, but did someone post a link to a post about about Fate Fanon in this thread? Back when we were talking about Joe's new servant powers. If so, could someone help me find that link?
 
Okay, this Omake was supposed to come out like 6 months ago, but I hate writing (though I love stories). I finally got some of that umph back and decided to write it now. Time is set for during the two days that Joe is not going out as Apeiron.

I may have studied Japanese (like 10 years ago) and watch anime in Japanese (with subtitles) but I am in no way an expert in the language. If I have any errors please let me know. (Corrections by native speakers only please)
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It had been a while since he had last been out and about, Joe realized. He should go to a bar or something. That worked out well when he met Cecil. Maybe in a different part of town, like somewhere in the former ABB territory, but best to blend in, just in case.

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A shinobi is supposed to fulfil a purpose. To be a tool, a weapon, but what is a weapon without a wielder? The thinker girl was dead, as was his true aruji {master}. Oni Lee had been serving for so long he could not remember how to lead. The bomb girl was insane and dying. He couldn't remember what he used to do, back in his days leading the Jade Triad. He was... tired. A quote half remembered surfaced in his mind '... like butter scraped over too much bread.' He couldn't lead the gang. His master was dead and he refused to follow Bakuda. He tried to think of something... plan for... to do... his head hurt. Also his arm hurt.

So here he was with a cast on sitting in an izakaya {bar} he had only been in a few times. He had gone to his favorite bar, but found the building had been destroyed by those hot crystal things that Bakuda made. She was brash and foolish, destroying that which made the ABB home. He remembered when he and his... his... nevermind, he couldn't remember. That was happening more frequently. He needed to think of something else. Get his mind off of things.

He looked up from his sake and saw a bishonen {beautiful young man} walk into the bar, look around and sit down at the half of the bar that had the least people sitting in it. His half. He almost attempted a glare, but then realized that he did not care. What he was paying attention to was the way that the young man walked. Smooth and efficient. He recognized a trained martial artist.

"Hello there, do you mind if I sit here?" The boy asked. He was tall, muscled and had that stereotypical boy band bishonen look, smooth voice, his posture showing respect. He would have been perfect as a negotiator back in the Jade Triad... wait he meant ABB, the Triad was long gone... long gone like the ABB would be, like Lung now was.

"Ah. {yeah}" Was his only reply, letting the boy sit down. Boy? Was he a boy? How old was this stranger? Somewhere around 20? How old was Oni Lee now? It... had been so long.

"Thanks," the young one looked at the menu for a while and asked "what would you recommend?"

"Saa. {don't know}" He indicated that he didn't really know or care what this one ordered. The ones he cared for... the comrades that he cared about were dead. Now he was alone.

The waitress walked up. "I'll just have what he's having." the waitress walked away. She wasn't even a proper Geisha. Why didn't he go to his favo- right, it's a smoldering pile of crystal with corpses in it. Was all of that death even worth it? Was anything worth it? The boy looked at his cast.

"Looks like the ABB caused you some trouble huh?" Oni Lee (he didn't have any other name, not for years now) stared at the newcomer. "Well at least you won't have to worry about them much anymore." Then the fool realized that he was talking shit about the ABB in (former) ABB territory and quickly looked around and stopped talking. Honestly Oni Lee didn't care about the ABB, he had few friends in it and they had all died in the recent attacks, either from their enemies or due to Bakuda. Ah, if only she and that damn usagi {rabbit} hadn't shown up, then his master would still be here. Then he would still have family.

"Bakuda wa shinubeki. {Bakuda should just die}" He hated speaking English. The Europeans called it the whorehouse language, and for good reason. It was a horrible mix of Latin and Germanic based languages that meshed poorly. He wouldn't have moved to this country if he could have afforded not to. Housing prices in Japan were so high that they had 99 year mortgages, and that was before Kyushu sank and made it so that unless you had a family home you were out of luck and had to move out. Like he was out of luck, back then, and now.

After receiving his sake and taking a drink with a slight wince. Ha, the boy hadn't had sake before had he? The young man continued "Maybe, but I think that we've had enough death around here. What I'd like is if all the gang members would just stop what they are doing right now and go back to peaceful lives, or even become heroes." The bishonen said it with a smile, but that was absurdly idealistic. Unrealistic. Oni Lee had been an idealist once, but had it beaten out of him time and time again. Power was the only thing that mattered in the end. Lung was the last person to teach him that when he took everything Oni Lee had built.

"Chikara ga nai yastura urusai. {Those without power should shut up}" He didn't mind this one interrupting his drinking, at least it was keeping his mind off of.. off of... what was he forgetting again? Well at least this distraction was working.

Looking straight into Oni Lee's eyes he said. "My masters taught me that martial arts is for self improvement and self defense, and that taking the life of your opponent in a fight is the same as defeat." Brave to look into his eyes directly with no fear. He speaks with conviction. This one could be a leader. Unfortunately idealism dies with experience.

"Hee... omai wa? Dou omou? {Really... what bout you? What do you believe?)"

After finishing off his drink his conversation partner thought for a bit and replied. "I think that if it is possible to end a fight without death, that one should do so. However, if there is no other way to stop them from killing someone, then lethal force as a last result, while still a failure, means that you will have saved a life. And to me that is more important that some murderer." The man spoke with that conviction again, this time Oni Lee could feel some Satsui {Killing intent} from him. He has killed before for his beliefs. Good. He seems like a realistic logical ideologist. Not only that but he had power. Probably not Powers, but a more personal power, charisma, drive and the ability to see his desires through without compromising himself.

"Douna budo suru? {What kind of martial arts do you do?}" He had seen the way that this man had walked and knew he was trained, but he would have to be a Thinker to be able to tell what styles someone knew just by that.

"It's called Katsujinken. Also some Ninjutsu and Muay Thai, but Katsujinken is the main one." Then his conversation partner asked for his bill and paid for his sake. Oni Lee needed to do one more thing before this one left.

"Oohama Reiji." Oni Lee held out his hand.

"Tarou Yamada" The inspiring bishonen smiled and shook his hand. Oni Lee raised an eyebrow at the name and snorted. Then he handed the idealistic man a card "Buki ga histuyo nara, ore o yobei. {If you need a weapon call me.}" Perhaps... perhaps it was time to follow someone else's dreams. One who Oni Lee could look up to. Someone that he could aspire to be like. Perhaps it was time for this old shinobi to find a new master. But first he needed to heal up, and learn this 'Life Giving Fist' style.

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After leaving the bar and what was probably a, hopefully former, ABB hitman. Joe was glad that he got out of there without getting himself shot for running his mouth like that. But maybe he should be printing his own cards, the last several times he'd been out drinking he's gotten several phone numbers. Cecil's, Mel's, and now Reiji's. Well he probably didn't need some former ABB hitman to be his 'weapon', but maybe Reiji would like some other form of job now that the ABB was going down the drain? Something to think about.

EDIT: Added some {translations}.
Katsujinken's a philosophy, not a style. Its counterpart is satsujinken.
 
Active/overt power use is supposed to be against the truce and I imagine that such a display may incite someone to violence.
The Truce is just an agreement to not attack anyone, and to attack anyone who attacks anyone else. Flagrant power usage is frowned upon, but not outright banned, iirc. You aren't meant to supposed to use your power on others though, ie. Thinkers, and that Stranger effect WOULD skirt the line. Skid would prob freak out for a second, then got told to calm down and shut up by everyone else, because you don't mouth off at Apeiron the Enigmatic Artificer for a simple display like that.

Just having them all showing up first, hogging the central table would be a powermove though.
 
The Table (Crake)
Kaiser: "This table is reserved for men of means. Leaders of this city! What gives you the right to sit here?"

Lethe: "I'm like Apeiron's... Left hand?"

Dupe 1, grinning: "That seems about right. Deuce? Prime?"

Dupe 2: "Second the motion, Ace."

Apeiron: "It's not really a formal position--"

Survey: "With the support of myself and the others, which I've just received, the motion carries. Next order of business?"

Coil, coldly furious: "What are you doing?"

Lethe: "Necessary housekeeping, bitches. Best get to your seats, 'cause..."

Apeiron and Dupes: "This meeting is in session."

Apeiron: "The synchronization wasn't really necessary, you two."

'Ace': "It was very necessary."

'Deuce': "Just like stealing everyone's seats was necessary."

Fleet: "And pulling up in a fifty foot stretch limo."

Uppercrust: "I hesitate to ask, but what limo?"

Fleet: "It folds up into a brick about this size."

Uppercrust, taking a seat at a booth: "Ah."

Apeiron, sitting, menacingly: "Anything else before we start?"

Citrine: "Do you offer catering services?"

Apeiron, glancing over at the buffet table: "Discuss that with my agent."

Citrine: "Who..."

Citrine, slightly intimidated: "That is an immaculate business card. Ma'am."

Survey: "Design consultation carries an extra charge."

Kaiser: "I was under the impression we would be meeting to discuss business, not whatever this mockery is."

Apeiron, glancing from Faultline to Citrine and Uppercrust: "If the Empire isn't interested in taking a seat with the others, I'm sure they'll understand. It would open up a time slot on my schedule today."

Coil: "I'll be staying."

Brian: "We're good."

Apeiron, staring at Kaiser: "We do need to get underway."

Kaiser: "...the Empire will remain."

Lethe: "For how long? Heyooo!"

Kaiser: "Control your subordinate."

Apeiron: "It's really more of a partnership. Unlike you, I'm joined by peers at my table."

Ace: "Yowza."

Deuce: "Even I felt that!"
 
Active/overt power use is supposed to be against the truce and I imagine that such a display may incite someone to violence.
I'm.. not certain about that - reading through the canon Somer's rock meeting again and
Hive 5.1 said:
Purity entered a few steps behind him with several others following her. She was dressed in a white costume without any markings or symbols on it, but the fabric glowed softly. Her white hair and eyes glowed too, but it was more like they were made of heated magnesium than anything else. I couldn't look in her direction without getting spots in my eyes, and my mask had tinted lenses designed to reduce glare.
Purity entered the building while glowing bright enough to fuck with Taylor's eyes through tinted glasses. That's Got to be around the level of "We took all of the seats at the central table and cloaked it until everyone else showed up", and it's something that never even gets Mentioned. Just Looking at her could damage your eyesight! Some of that could be attributed to "Purity's cape outfit doesn't have a mask" but... seriously?

Also what @The Shallow said - Apeiron is simply strong enough to get away with it. Especially if he's brought along his own cape team, with completely unknown capabilities, who are probably equipped with Hella Apeiron-tech...
Capes are a group that is prone to conflict, but that does not make them thoughtless.

Any predictions for which unexpected parties will show up to Somer's Rock? My guesses are Blasto, the Teeth, or Uber&Leet.
 
Any predictions for which unexpected parties will show up to Somer's Rock? My guesses are Blasto, the Teeth, or Uber&Leet.
Heres who I'm expecting to show up in general:
  • Coil, obviously
  • Empire, obviously
  • Merchants, obviously
  • Undersiders, of course
  • Faultline's Crew
  • Uppercrust & Co.
  • Blasto
  • Dragonslayers
And Joe's crew of course. U&L I'm iffy on because on one hand, it's kinda their only chance to get a chance to calm shit down without a fight, on the other it puts them in a terrible bargaining position. Also Leet might still be salty and want revenge, but then again Iron Ape V Dragonman happened.
 
Travelers are a maybe, especially if they pretend not being affiliated with Coil.
Nope. They probably don't even know that it's happening. A chance to make a deal with Apeiron is Coil's biggest bargaining chip, and as far as they know he has a connection to the Undersiders to help them do that.
42.1 Addendum Marissa said:
Coil nodded. "My information sources on him are somewhat limited, though still much more extensive than any other group in the city. I have confirmed that he is indeed alive, though there was not considerable doubt to that point. That said, he is currently indisposed."

"How are you sure?" Ballistic asked. "We've seen the reports. There's been no sighting or mention since the man vanished."

Rather than be annoyed at the interruption Coil almost seemed amused. "I have a group in my employ with certain connections to Apeiron. Contact has been made and certain owed obligations have been called in regarding the recovery effort."

"You mean the Undersiders? You have the Undersiders working for you?" Luke asked.

Coil turned and grinned beneath his mask. The fabric was thin and tight enough that Marissa could see his teeth though the stretched material. "I have connections and contracts with many groups. I trust you can understand the value of exercising discretion in revealing details in such matters. After all, your affiliation and the details of your arrangement have been treated with similar care."

In contrast Coil sounded completely confident as he replied. "That is the secret to mad scientists. There is always a pattern to their behavior, a method to their madness. Apeiron has held to all of his agreements religiously, and well beyond the bounds of what could be reasonably be expected. His commitment to the Undersiders is absolute, and he has demonstrated similar devotion to other contracts. If you are able to secure an agreement with the man he will see it through." Coil smiled through his mask again. "I can assure you of that."

"How are we supposed to do that?" Luke broke in. "I mean, half the people in the city are probably trying the same thing."

"I have resources and connections not available to that half of the city." Coil answered with mirth in his voice. "I will provide you with the opportunity and support needed to secure a commitment, at the appropriate time. Until then you will need to trust my guidance."

And with that they were done, and Coil knew it. Their marching orders couldn't be clearer, follow his commands and get the only chance at salvation you could hope for. A chance at that brass ring that everyone had been chasing since the first display showing what Apeiron was capable of.

Looking around she could tell, they were in. They were committed, devoted to this for the long haul. The end of the line, the last real chance, the opportunity to prove they could pull through, could beat the Simurgh. For that they could push past. They could serve as Coil's enforcers. They could even tolerate what was happening to that little girl.

For the end of the road, to finally get out of this nightmare, they could tolerate anything. They would have to.
 
Hm, I'm suddenly reminded of a WoG from Ch 35: 29 Presentation, on Ao3:

'Having tangible manifestations of his personal issues with concrete effects of progress will add an interesting element to therapy.

"I need to work on the problems with my self image."

"That's excellent to hear."

"So that I can modify the martial manifestation of my inner self without losing the ability to weaponize my own soul."

"...maybe we should take a step back."

It could be even worse depending on what powers he gets.

"I've been trying to build my self confidence and better manage my doubts and insecurities."

"That's a wonderful idea. What motivated you to start working on that?"

"Well, I've been having trouble generating enough spiral energy to reliability manifest large weapons for my giant robot."

"...I have several questions." '

I am somewhat disappointed that we didn't get either of these this chapter.
 
Hello there.
I'm here to say "Farewell", because I'm leave SV. To not bring that thread more troulbes and/or break the rules with discussing staff actions in the thread that don't meant for it, I going to explain my reasons in my profile.
Althugh, for the people who curious, I edited one of the posts that lead to that situation to make it, hopefully, more clear:
Moord Nag is an asshole mass murderer. That's everything I need to know about their gender. :thonk:

But thanks for information anyway.

edit: typo

edit 2, much later: Maybe that post wasn't clear enough. That wan't intentional use of the wrong pronoun. Probably, I should've write something like: "Really? I forgot. Everything that matters for me - Moord Nag is an asshole mass murderer. I don't care about their gender, so I make no effort to remember it."
For those who previously read it as intentional use of wrong pronoun - nope.

Since I promised to answer the other parts of MagicalAmbitions's post "later", I going to keep my promise:
B) the moment that anyone with significant resources goes after Most characters in Worm, it's over for them. That's the problem with being one person versus an organization, especially if that organization has solid Thinker-support. Coil is unique in that he's a disgusting person that violates the social conventions of capes regularly. should they learn of the full extent of Coil's actions and plans, Most of the players in Brockton Bay would have cause to go after him. Possibly even a Somer's Rock truce until they take him down.
Well, if your point was "Major powers more likely to move after Coil, if they'll found out about his... behavior... than after most people", I have to agree here. Though, with how sneaky Coil is, I'd say major forces less likely to find out about his misdeeds, than about most people's. So these two factors kind of balances each other out, I think.

I'm just in sincere doubt of the idea that All of the thinker support the protectorate ENE has access to would be thoroughly stumped by the combination of Coil and Dinah.
I have to agree here too! Because neither Gallant's "emotion sight", nor Armsmaster's lie detector not going to be affected. And that's all Thinker support ENE have access to. :p
But to answer the spirit of your argument - the PRT have enemies in abundance, and they cannot afford to concentrate a significant part of their efforts for a significant amount of time against one of them. And Thinker support, especially from powerful and reliable Thinkers, is one of the most valuable of their assets. So, unless Coil would do something really, really stupid, what'll force them to decide that moving a lot of powers after him is worth any possible advantages that'll give to Elite, Adepts and any other major gangs and powerful villains, they unlikely to spare much.
I agree that even what they can spare can, at least, be a big nuisance for Coil. The thing is - what's a "big nuisance" for Coil, would, for most of the villains, or parahumans in general, mean a whole world of troubles.

Thinker powers don't just have magical thinker-interference depending on how strong your power is in comparison to the person you're using it on
Indeed. Though, I have to remind you about the March's power as an example that sometimes they do have "magical thinker-interference".

Coil's primary advantage is being mostly unknown because his primary goal is to rule over Brockton Bay, so having people be aware that he exists and is a serious threat inherently makes that harder to achieve. Because, you know, you don't want to hire a literal supervillain for your big important powerful position, so you're going to vet that kinda suspicious candidate a little harder. or something.
No arguments from me - that's absolutely true. He definitely don't want to be exposed and to face a confrontation with any major force. Or even minor.
That just slightly aside from the initial question of Coil's strength in case of a confrontation.

slightly unrelated but what if his nebulous connection to the PRT caused him to be called in to investigate his Own criminal operation? and then he fucks up somewhere crucial, and he doesn't have a back-up timeline, because he was using his other timeline to vent his frustrations and anxiety by.. doing murders and breaking shit, or something? that'd be a good read.
Heh. That would be fun indeed. Though, would be hard to write it good, without breaking Coil's character or making him look too stupid to be believable as a mastermind type of villain. But written good it would be delucious scene.
 
Also i dont see a consultant being brought in for an investigation of Coil. At least not the kind that Thomas is. I def can see like a PI maybe being brought in, but not Thomas Calvert...so IDK maybe Lightstar but not Thommy
 
Call her Panoptes. IIRC, it mean "All-Seeing" in Greek, though I'm not entirely sure what the Ancient Greek translation would be.

And I Imagine Survey winking at Lisa while her "name" is mentioned.-

I still vote that simply "The Crew" is a great name, or perhaps something in Greek similar to that, it's an absolutist name.
 
And I Imagine Survey winking at Lisa while her "name" is mentioned.-

I still vote that simply "The Crew" is a great name, or perhaps something in Greek similar to that, it's an absolutist name.
Too vague, kinda claim that word for themselves. Apeiron has already claimed the term Boundless in effect, so The Boundless is a possibility I could see them going with, even if Joe initially objects.
 
I think that Arche is still the best suggestion made so far, thematically at least. To paraphrase from Wikipedia, the arche is that which is the origin of all things in the universe. Some claimed water or air to be the origin element for all others, but Anaximander claimed instead that the origin was instead an intangible, infinite, timeless void he called the apeiron.

On the other hand, this would be an extremely over-the-top team name to choose. Though Joe is a bit past the point of keeping things subdued, after naming himself Apeiron then later FTL ramming Lung into space after he had grown to Endbringer level.
 
On the other hand, this would be an extremely over-the-top team name to choose. Though Joe is a bit past the point of keeping things subdued, after naming himself Apeiron then later FTL ramming Lung into space after he had grown to Endbringer level.
He less "FTL rammed Lung into space" and more stole all of lungs fire so he could turn it into a miniature sun. Then he punched Lung in the face with it, causing Lung to be punch-sploded all the way into the upper atmosphere. Then, after getting Lung far enough away, he had a Duplicated Motoroid FTL ram Lung. This didn't send Lung into space, since you have to be alive or at least have an intact body to be launched into space. Instead, it ripped him apart at the subatomic level. The largest pieces left are molecular dust left drifting over the planet, with most of his mass leaving the Earth entirely as a wave of particles moving at relatavistic speeds if they weren't straight up converted into energy from the impact.
 
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I noted that scanning Shards in The Firmament (if that is where the Motoroid really is) will provide Joe with extremely valuable and normally impossible to obtain data. That Motoroid is loaded with his "it just works" scanners. With all the data Joe can obtain there, will he be able to cure Case 53s? He already could provide substantial improvements to the quality of life for any Case 53, but with insight into what is happening on the Passenger/Firmament side, he has the data needed to really cure them.
 
but with insight into what is happening on the Passenger/Firmament side, he has the data needed to really cure them.

Maybe even cure the dying shards themselves? You know, if he actually wants to. Would that even improve things or make them worse? If he "heals" enough Eden shards would that potentially give Eden a chance to come back? I'm thinking not, but am willing to listen to arguments that it could....
 
If he "heals" enough Eden shards would that potentially give Eden a chance to come back?
Even if that was possible, would it be a good idea? Sure, Zion will attempt to destroy the world eventually out of sadness with Eden dead, but it's not like a healthy cycle is a good thing for humanity either. Just like Life Fibers, the last stage of the Entities' cycle involves destroying the host planet.

Another consequence of scanning Shardspace might be information on how to prevent Broken Triggers and the other stuff that happens after Zion's death.
 
Something that may have slipped under the radar is that there is a modern magecraft version of runes, which should have been picked up with Magecraft: C, then boosted to ridiculous heights with Unnatural Skill: Runes.
 
Even if that was possible, would it be a good idea? Sure, Zion will attempt to destroy the world eventually out of sadness with Eden dead, but it's not like a healthy cycle is a good thing for humanity either. Just like Life Fibers, the last stage of the Entities' cycle involves destroying the host planet.

Another consequence of scanning Shardspace might be information on how to prevent Broken Triggers and the other stuff that happens after Zion's death.
I feel like preventing broken triggers for every single shard would be hard and time consuming, even for Joe. I think Joe should honestly just destroy all the shards. Assuming this happens after Scion and Endbringers are dead, destroying the shards are probably a safer option. No more parahumans, no more bullshit Earth Bet drama. Joe is uncontested as he leads the entire multiverse into a new age of peace and prosperity. LOL.
 
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Something that may have slipped under the radar is that there is a modern magecraft version of runes, which should have been picked up with Magecraft: C, then boosted to ridiculous heights with Unnatural Skill: Runes.

Joe's rune skills are boosted by a few different perks. His very first one was from Samurai Jack that gave weapons elemental effects, and he's picked up more than a few. While the Magecraft: C is going to be big, the problem is that he also got what I keep referring to as the Urn of Suffering (not actually the name of it) that boosts his Runecraft as he suffers....and he suffers a LOT.

He's got rune skills and power for DAYS now, and it'd be one of his stronger skillsets magically speaking. Also considering a few of his perks boost any 'elemental effects' on weaponry, which could be runes or could, if we were feeling particularly mean, Dust.

He'll be good to go for that, the important part of Magecraft: C is that it gives him access to all the other branches of Magecraft out there. Memory Partitions, IIRC, are a function of Atlas and have stupendous potential, for example.

RE: Healing Shards: We need to remember that Shards are pretty brutalized before they land and pick a host: Zion and Eden damage them in certain specific ways so they don't dump all their power into their hosts, i.e. Broken Triggers or heavily shard-influenced Parahumans that are no good to the experiment. He COULD heal them, but playing around in that ballpark could cause huge issues down the line.

The Shards would just pop people they trigger with, so he has to be careful on how he proceeds. "Dead" Shards though may provide a lot more information and possibly open up revitalization or reactivation instead, but that still has possible problems down the line as before. Cauldron made their vials by throwing everything at the wall and praying that something stuck that was actually useful. Re-energizing shards from Eden could possibly cause them to lose the balancing factors that were part of the vial, and boom, broken trigger with no known cause. This is also not going to be apparent from Shardspace easily unless he finds a way to open communcations with a shard, and the most likely one for that would be the Fragile One since she's more attuned to humanity than the other Shards. That said, since they were present when the motoroid fell into Shardspace, it's very likely that the Fragile One may notice and poke at it.

And if she notices and pokes at it, she may tell Victoria. And then things will go even MORE out of control than they already are, and I bet Vicky winds up having to knock on a tinker's metaphorical door to get some information because WTF...or Fragile One bugs him via Motoroid in Shardspace.

I'm picturing the Fragile One following the Motoroid through Shardspace singing the Shard version of the Song That Never Ends until Joe gives in.
 
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