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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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makopaulo said:
Espers aren't psychics. Their abilities are directed solely by their minds, but they're actually artificial magicians of a system invented by Crowley that doesn't play nice with other magic systems.
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He said "can be described". So while Force powers from star wars are not psychic, it still counts.
 
Niggward said:
Even my man Roustabout's reply posts are friggen huge, just as long as other authors regular updates. This dude cannot help but be beastin.

Also has it ever been specified what Joe's original trigger would have been of Jump-chan didn't step in?

Also also, Theoretically, is it possible that through some combination of perks, would Apeboy be capable of building things from other settings, not necessarily represented already? (Like for example, using some sort of extra-dimensional techno wizardry, building a weapon that is the equivalent of the dragonslayer sword from berserk (in other words, a sword that can cut through dimensions to harm un-physical beings directly) )
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If the celestial forge did not step it, he would be a Biotinker that specialises in something related to mastering people.

That's why the Big O perks impacted him a lot. Because it reminded him of what could have been. Since it lets you mess with memories and bioengineer shit.

BTW he would have triggered with said power in the middle of a family dinner or right after. And he was not in the right mindset due to a change in medication. So he would have ended up going bonesaw in his family. That's why when he talks to his sister later on the phone he makes it sound like leaving them without a big fight was such a big deal. As the alternative would have put a kill order on him and his family would have likely died.
 
Niggward said:
Also has it ever been specified what Joe's original trigger would have been of Jump-chan didn't step in?
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I forget the exact chapter and wording, but it was something along the lines of a mind control biotinker.

Imped by zerak. Yes it would've been mid family mental breakdown dinner

Edit: Went back and found the three mentions of 'original trigger'. The first gives you a small oblique look at what it might've been
Chapter 27 Intrusion - Addendum Hannah said:
What I was doing here was full on, undeniable alteration of my own mind. I still had fears that this would be the first step on a slippery slope that would send me careening into everything I dreaded about my original trigger, but they were outweighed by concerns over the constant cycled changes to my memory. It was enough for me to push past my discomfort and finally attempt memory alteration.
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The second mostly just reminds you of the horror and disgust Joe felt at his original power while listening to the music he thinks is connected to his new perk, Iron Man.
Chapter 36 Debrief - Addendum The Bay Bulletin said:
That was the point of the song. Someone who tried to help people endures too much, reaches their breaking point, and becomes a villain.

"Now, the time is here"
"For Iron Man to spread fear"
"Vengeance from the grave"
"Kills the people he once saved"

And that was the real uncomfortable part. I knew how close I had come to becoming something unspeakable. My original trigger… there's a reason I don't like thinking about it.
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And then he gets the Perk 'Valuable Memories' and he became horrified.
Chapter 39 Set Up - Addendum Kenta said:
It was a comprehensive wet tinkering ability centered on the creation of monsters. In other words, it was the second half of my original specialty, dumped on me out of nowhere. In fact, if you count the nature of memories as the neurochemistry side and the creation of chimeras as the bioengineering side I was now back to where I would have been with my original trigger. Nilbog meets Heartbreaker by way of Bonesaw. Only Nilbog couldn't make monsters on this scale, and Heartbreaker couldn't rewrite someone's entire life.
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There is something somewhere where he thinks about where his new forge power showed him what his original shard power would've been... Lemme see if I can search fu that up..

And good it seems @Whamodyne found the exact part. Thanks sir!

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Niggward said:
Also has it ever been specified what Joe's original trigger would have been of Jump-chan didn't step in?
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From Chapter 16 - Therapy :

And then I triggered. A tinker trigger. An unsolvable problem builds up over an extended period and comes to a head in a critical instant. The world peels back and you get to see the entities with all their passengers, arbitrarily picking who gets to have powers and who doesn't. And lucky me, I had a giant meat computer with my name on it.

And then it happened. The Celestial Forge. My trigger got hijacked by a passenger from outside the cycle. No memory loss for me. I got to see the entire horrible operation in action. All the mechanisms, the motivations of the shards, and how they restrict, manipulate, and alter their hosts. And I got to choose if I wanted the power or not.

I also got to see what I would have ended up with otherwise. Extended periods of isolation means control tinker. The added fun of triggering under a bad reaction to antidepressants meant a dual specialty. It was a bad joke. I always wanted to be a tinker. Fate leads me to a tinker trigger and what do I get to specialize in? Bioengineering and Neurochemistry.

I don't even like normal chemistry. The specialties came with no more mechanical knowledge than was absolutely necessary to facilitate their work. And the work in question was some of the worst tinkering imaginable.

It was like someone took the phrases 'Make Friends' and 'Change Your Mind' and decided to use them as tag lines for a horror movie. That's basically what my tinker power would have been. Nilbog meets Heartbreaker by way of Bonesaw.

And I would have gotten all those lovely powers while under the influence of drugs that seriously compromised my mental state, while in a house with people I was currently furious with, and with a passenger who would have had no intention of moderating my response.

I took the Celestial Forge and never looked back.
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I think helping the Case 53's using Biotinkering will help his mental state. Since it will seperate his current powers from his original trigger even more. Plus it would help him cement that he is in control of what he does with his powers.
 
LordRoustabout said:
...I may need to start a list of every technically possible but practically terrible idea that my readers have suggested. Maybe I started this myself with an early joke about Joe's strongest weapon being a blunderbuss full of call beads, but since then we've gotten demon-bonesteel, Satan connected call beads, the recent Heretically Adaptatively body parts, and now Joe making a god in his basement.

So the answer is yes, Joe could make a mechanical god of household anything with Simple Scientific Solution. That is Washu tech, and the bigger Joe's tech base the more he can push the effects of that power. Teleporter defenses and n-dimensional precog blockers wouldn't be possible without things like the information from Master Builder giving Joe context on what he was working with. So yes, Joe could create a fully developed mechanical intelligence of incredible power that would start fully formed rather than needing a long development period like Fleet or Survey.

What would this look like? Well, what did it look like when Washu tried to make a person? How strong were they? What were they like?

Ryoko. What we are talking about here is making Ryoko as a household assistant. Only not just Ryoko because Joe's other perks would kick in, meaning you would get a divine, enchanted Ryoko with extra capacities who is also completely devoted to household issues. For some reason, probably because this is anime, I can't picture that as anything other than some form of maid.

So god-like power and devotion to a cause, at least until someone tried to drag her into a concern outside of that 'household' limitation. Then the 'Washu tech backfire" kicks in, probably in a way that will have people rushing to come up with a name for what is apparently the fourth endbringer.
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This would be funny but because Joe has standards, Maid!Ryoko wouldn't immediately do something off the chart unless pushed or begged to, which immediately would likely cause immense damage as she tries to adapt immense cosmic-type power to trying to not accidentally sweep Brockton Bay off the East Coast and FAILING.

Doubtful it will be anywhere near as angry, alcoholic, tsundere, or the rest (remember, standards!), but as you described it will probably be far more powerful.

And far more funny for it. And someone with whom Garment can conspire to get Joe into the nicest suits possible, or failing that, the Barbarian ones.




LordRoustabout said:
I find this very entertaining, mostly because I could never get into the Boys as a comic. It was too ridiculous, too over-the-top to the point where I could never really see the world as something that could actually exist. Most of my enjoyment with that series has come from occasional corssover fiction that works to point out what an insane asylum that entire setting actually is (though the series did dial things down enough that I can at least follow it without constantly having suspension of disbelief issues).

A comic that I feel did everything the Boys was trying to do, but better, was Empowered. I'm not a fan of the level of fanservice (even though that's why the series started), but if you push past that every element of the Boys commentary on superheroes is present in Empowered, and presented in a way that, to me, feels a lot more rounded. It even managed to have worse villains without coming across as completely grimdark. Seriously, I would welcome an encounter with the Homelander over having to deal with people like Willy Pete or Neurospear (Neurospear is actually the kind of direction Joe could have ended up taking if he got his original trigger without the Celestial Forge).

Really didn't mean to go off in a rant like that. The crossover is a interesting idea, and Joe's ability to empower capes would put him in direct competition with Vought. The most likely situation I could see happening is a conflict between Apeiron heroes and Vought heroes, for as long as Vought could maintain the impression that their capes were heroic. With Joe digging into their secrets it would either mean their dirty laundry would quickly be brought to light, or they would immediately move to smear him, meaning Joe would be playing villain again against the publicly recognized 'heroes'.
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I actually enjoyed Empowered once you got past the fanservice, had some really interesting characters, and yeah, I can see how that works. It goes a lot farther to making the characters real people, though some of them are more like real wastes of space than people.

But why did you have to say more rounded?!?

Any rate, I can see the comparisons, but I only had the show on in the background, which is different enough from what I understand that it fits in closer with the idea.

That said, yeah, that setting would probably tick Joe off, and working on the snapshot (let's assume for the sake of the argument that the Celestial Forge power uses that same group opinion on different worlds), he'd be getting he'd probably be making anti-supe stuff to deal with them once and for all if they step out of line (which is sort of inevitable). That said, it wouldn't be quite the same: Supes in that world don't have the conflict drivers parahumans in Worm do, so are more likely to be, if not psychologically stable due to things like body dysmorphia or the like, less likely to go out and pick random fights like parahumans tend to.

Either way, I don't forsee Vought surviving the exchange.

Also: Fuck Willy Pete. In the skull.
 
Maid Ryoko with her accidents would be a mesh of Vash the stampede, The Dirty Pair, and Mihoshi Kuramitsu. Think clumsy cute/moe maid accidents.

Empowered was actually rather awesome. It seemed like just an excuse for lots of fanservice, but there was a lot going on. I hate to say it, but with all the grimdark going on in that setting the worst that happened to her was being tied up and having all the villains and their minions end up bitching and moaning about their lives to her. Was she groped? Yes. Was she raped, killed, or tortured? Nope. Her hero team tended to be meaner to her than most of the bad guys.

Then again in that setting having powers is about on the level of shards and eldritch pacts.

On Heretically Adaptation, I don't mind Joe limiting himself to items. I can see it ending up in magical effects though. If he studies someone's powers and tries to replicate it as an item? He'd get Heretically Adaptation applied to it. He doesn't really need it applied to his body. He has Tetra for that.

The one aspect of his being where he might be able to make long term use of Heretically Adaptation is actually his soul. I can't see how that would work though. I could see him forging the blank souls and using them to power items, weapons, armor, or exspheres or even those alchemical-created humans. Those are all fresh new creations where the soul is merely just another resource.

I can't see how he'd apply it to himself or anyone else currently living.

The nearest that I could come was creating an item to be consumed that would improve his soul. I'd think he'd get a minor soul boost. A soul used for food or pills would have the Heretically Adaptation on the pill/food and not the person that ate the pill/food.

I can't see Joe doing that. Let's face it. Joe is going to create his own Prinnies.

Someone needs to do a nice cracky omake of Joe breaking into the birdcage to have moral debates with GU on the nature of souls/shards and self-imposed limits.
 
So, what happens when Aperion meets Armsmaster?

Aperions abilities kick in, the Dialogue one.

Would the discussion move to his Halberd or the Armscycle?

Would a discussion go for a Race for ownership of the others bike?

Would Armsmaster be willing to risk his bike to examine Aperions?
 
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  • Apocrypha
    • Staff Notice: This is borderline sexualization of a minor and is not acceptable on SV
    I removed this post (OMAK) due to it being borderline violation of SV rules. Since I'm not sure how to remake it while stayng true to Apeiron's masterwork abilities, growth+humor aspect and Tenchi-spirit, I probably will move it to appropriate sections of other forums or discord instead.

    Sorry for inconvenience and for making anyone uncomfortable. In my defence: I have no idea how the post was a sexualization, I got the staff notice, but just can't connect the dots. Will try to avoid topics of children in general to be on safe side.

    For some reason I don't have an option to delete the post.
    @LordRoustabout, please, remove the treadmark and sorry for inconvinience.
     
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    • What do you guys think of Jozef providing aid to Brockton after this ends?

    I mean, his technology is capable of uplifting the whole world, but I understand that's not possible atm. Mannequin (+friends) would love to crash the utopian project, not to mention catching the Endbringers' attention.

    But would repairing structures and providing direct aid paint a bigger target on him and the city than they already have? What about discrete aid, somehow?
     
    Nimeroni said:
    2) Joe won't help without the local authorities greenlight (too much hassle otherwise)
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    I'm not so sure this is true anymore. Joe did after all put out that bigass fire using a huge alchemy circle without local approval, but I guess that was a bit more of an emergency situation than rebuilding would be. But, Joe now has a mandate, given to him by his power. It's up to LordRoustabout how strong this mandate is, but he could realistically make it as strong as the conflict drive is in regular parahumans. In fact, it would add just a smidgen of fairness to the story for Jozef to also have impulses it is very hard to control. I am talking about the following, esp. the last part about improving lives.
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    Katsujinken (History's Strongest Disciple: Kenichi) Free:
    Those who follow the path of "Katsujinken" or "life giving fist" hold that the true purpose of martial arts is to protect those who cannot protect themselves and improve the lives of those around them.
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    He has a number of powers that would help with architectural reconstruction, and even more would apply if he did any of the rebuilding personally.

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    Build That Wall (Bastion) 100:
    You know the basics of Caelondian technology. You understand how to harness the semimystical power of Cores and turn it into usable Mantic energy, to power basic machinery, shortrange flying machines, computers, and a variety of other uses. More interestingly, you can use Core power to reinforce existing structures, running a Matic current through it to enhance whatever physical properties it possesses usually durability, though other uses are possible. This is what allowed structures like the Rippling Wall and the Bastion to survive the Calamity as well as they did. You also gain basic skill for mundane construction.
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    Manufacturing Line (Valkyria Chronicles) 400:
    You've always been of the opinion that technology advanced too slowly before you arrived, but now you can apply that to the physical world as well! Any building process you oversee, whether it be the forging of a sword or an entire tank factory, will now produce results twice as fast and with half the required materials used.
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    Beauty in the Arts (God of War) 200: The Greeks and their gods have an eye for the aesthetics of their surroundings. Whether it is the statues around them, or the floors they walk upon, or the things they carry and wield, it is better if it is appealing. Your ability to design any of your crafts has increased with this knowledge, able to appeal to form without sacrificing function. Regardless of what you create, it's going to look good enough that the gods might take notice... might. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is for you to decide.
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    He still has to worry about the Simurgh, of course. I don't think the 9 would be too much of an issue with his power level as it is, he might even welcome the chance to improve the world by removing their threat, though mourning any deaths it would cause.

    Edit: I think it would be thematically epic if Jozef gained the Worm perk while he is in the warehouse in recovery. He vanished without a trace after the Lung fight. To most people, he eventually reappears, but to precogs...he is never seen again.
     
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    Domq said:
    But would repairing structures and providing direct aid paint a bigger target on him and the city than they already have? What about discrete aid, somehow?
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    He could probably help the ABB territory/slave conscripts afterwards under the guise of a check-up + test.

    I would not recommend outside of those yet as it would just make things worse as the PRT would quarantine wherever he helps due to bureaucratic inertia.
     
    Things the clones might do while Jozef is unconscious.

    1) Fully upgrade both gundams with everything they can. Maybe transformerize that plane, the Mongoose, and maybe even that Pinto. (basically, anything that is fiated to reappear in the warehouse that can be super-weaponized.)

    2) Do something about that Minovsky particle infestation and other recovery/cleanup efforts involving Apeiron's tech.

    3) Awaken Aisha's Aura. Garment's too. Make them both RWBY style transforming weapons.

    4) Try to be a bit more proactive about Apeiron's online perceptions--maybe try to guide the publicity for once instead of reacting to it. (yeah, unlikely even now, I know)

    5) Make sure the Undersiders are okay and didn't do anything too stupid during the commotion. We already know Bitch was doing something dangerous, probably using her new wristwatch/forcefield to rescue more doggos from the Nazis, so make sure she came out of that alright.

    I'm sure the rest of you can come up with more fun possibilities....
     
    Oh, Joe could absolutely rebuild half the city in an afternoon, and even make it the best city ever. Beautiful, impervious to time or the elements, self cleaning, with a minor shake/master effect to stop all crimes (or just a robot-police)

    But if he does so :
    1) The PRT would wall of the city, to "protect the citizen"
    2) It would reveal his hand to Ziz
     
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