Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Pungent Blood Cocktail begs to differ.

Edit: also the Fishing Hamlet, obviously, had fish.

a cocktail does not necessarily need to be food, it could be a cocktail of drugs to treat a patient or the very famous Molotov cocktail

i dont think we see a single prepared fish, for all we know the fish are also inedible or are sapient like those lovecraft fish people

Good work on collecting all this cuisine information, the Futurama Perk has not been acquired yet, everything else seems fine.

oh wow i could have sworn we had the futurama perk, oh well

i i havent missed any perks, i dont know how up-to-date the lists in the info tap are
 
a cocktail does not necessarily need to be food, it could be a cocktail of drugs to treat a patient or the very famous Molotov cocktail

i dont think we see a single prepared fish, for all we know the fish are also inedible or are sapient like those lovecraft fish people



oh wow i could have sworn we had the futurama perk, oh well

i i havent missed any perks, i dont know how up-to-date the lists in the info tap are
There was this great omake by @akatoshslayer
Non Canon Omake

Jozef Duris, Worldwalker


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Inventor (Futurama) 600 Points:
You are a brilliant (if eccentric) Inventor. You can (within reason) create nearly anything you can imagine if you put in the time. You have a cabinet full of doomsday devices and would be more than capable of slapping together Reverse Scuba Suits for fish or Death Clocks.
which may be the source of your confusion.
 
Cauldron, the Endbringers, NEPEA-5, Mama Mathers, even the Youth Guard…
Ok I am absolutely playing Devil's advocate here

Cauldron explicitly exists to make sure humanity doesnt collapse into chaos just yet. They suck at their job sure but they preparing for inevitable apocalypse. For a bunch of randos with no training for such things whatsoever they surprisingly dont suck this badly. There's a reason why any sane SI iseaked into Worm would first and foremost try to contact Cauldron.

NEPEA-5 is very much a realistic thing to happen because unregulated parahumans absolutely would collapse the economy or cause shitton of industrial accidents/catastrophes. Someone who had experience in this sphere probably would've wrote something better and more realistic but I doubt people around here have in depth knowledge of world- or even just country- wide economy and industry inner workings(no matter what some individuals might try to claim).

As for Youth Guard, well...

Even the Youth Guard was because he was running a Worm-based Quest, and the players were… working together as a professional and competent team of, if not friends, then at least colleagues

Correct me if I wrong but I think a bunch of randos who might or might not be acquaintances or straight up pals doing some quest with zero personal stakes for them have tad bit different dynamic from irl politics. If we start Country Quest where people are running their own countries QM absolutely would have to go out of their way to cause conflicts and roadblocks because otherwise players would speedrun globalization.

Stuff like Endbringers and Mathers though is fair game, Worm is grimdark settings and those are inherently built around premises of worst possible scenario.
 
the replicator cant make living tissue, so fruits and raw ingredients would be the worst, whilst breads and crackers would be indistinguishable
Replicators can't make living cells by choice, not any inherent limitations of the technology. They absolutely could keep a cow in a transporter buffer more or less indefinitely (record is something like 80 years for a human, using damaged and jury-rigged equipment) and run off copies of bits of it but that is a massively energy-intensive process requiring a specialised, optimised analogue memory bank and processor.
Instead, they take a copy of a steak being transported, do some analysis, and produce a "perfect" digital steak where every muscle cell is a procedural transform of "the" muscle cell and so on, essentially creating a digitally compressed copy with none of those pesky dynamic life processes messing things around. This saves massively on memory storage (from entire room to single chip, basically) and allows you to keep the data "at rest" until needed.
With Joe's optimisation perks, I have zero doubt he could build a replicator that could not only produce a slightly different steak every time, optimised to your own preferences and nutritional needs, but one that could easily fulfil the potential of the genetronic replicator and build replacement limbs ready for implantation based on a genetic sample, and fit the whole thing (along with several tons of generic supply goo) into a finger ring.
 
Replicators can't make living cells by choice, not any inherent limitations of the technology.
By Season 3 of Discovery, it might be by choice. In TNG/VOY/DS9, it's absolutely an inherent limitation of the technology.

That's why the Doctor can't just replicate a new pair of lungs for Neelix in VOY: Phage. Plus, trading that tech to the Vidiians would have saved so many lives: they could just replicate new organs, instead of stealing them from other people.

And then there's TNG: Ethics, which features an experimental super-replicator to try and replicate living tissue. A replicator specifically designed for that single task, but is still unreliable and ultimately fails.
As a result, Worf briefly dies — but, fortunately, no one had apparently ever noticed that Klingons have a spare spinal cord, which finally took over and started doing the job
 
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By Season 3 of Discovery, it might be by choice. In TNG/VOY/DS9, it's absolutely an inherent limitation of the technology.
No, it was a choice to not have literally the entire ship's volume contain nothing but transport buffers and a warp drive. Vessels have limited space and other things they need to do. A specialist facility could duplicate people or parts of people without issue, aside from the ethics of cloning. There are also at least two natural phenomena in that universe that allow unmodified transporter equipment to do so. Replicators and transporters are the same technology; only the source material and data are different.

Also the genetronic replicator was doing something different; it was taking a genetic sample and effectively "growing" a replacement in simulation followed by "transporting" the results into the patient, cell by cell. It wasn't perfect because it was developed by one person with limited resources. And Klingons don't have a spare spinal cord (Tbf, it's about the only thing they don't have a backup of) they apparently have a backup copy of their mind that can boot up if the running one collapses without the brain itself being damaged beyond the ability to support cognition.

As for the Vidiians, half of their problem is that, on top of their population collapsing, they're spread out and nomadic. They don't actually need Voyager to give them replicators; they already have their own transporters they could adapt given the inspiration but the average Vidiian raider isn't an engineer, nor do they have many facilities left to do the appropriate work. Never mind that they had culturally fixated on curing the Phage so I suspect any technology that wasn't directly related to a cure would have been allocated limited resources if not outright ignored.
 
Cauldron, the Endbringers, NEPEA-5, Mama Mathers, even the Youth Guard… they all exist because Wildbow's philosophy is rubbish.

He basically thinks that humans are inherently awful, and everything will always get worse. He's not even a nihilist, nor an anarchist. He's a pessimistic apocalyptist.

And, he writes his stories all along that vein, trying to "show" that things his philosophy is right. So, every time the readers/fandom come up with an idea of how to make the world less awful, or how to use powers in a non-destructive/non-conflict-based way, he tacks on another complication to force things to be his way.

Why do villains still exist? "Um… Endbringers!" Why is the Government so useless? "Um… Cauldron!" Why aren't the worst villains just shot in the head? "Um… Contessa!" Why don't people use their powers for 'normal' work? "Um… The materials used will magically vanish after a while!" But, what if they used normal materials, and powers were just for faster/better construction/manufacturing? "Um… NEPEA-5!" Why aren't the Brockton Bay PRT getting more assistance/resources? "Um… Terminus Project!" Why can't thinkers find the Fallen or the Slaughterhouse Nine? "Um… Mama Mathers! And Mary Sue Jack Slash can do sort of the same thing!"

Even the Youth Guard was because he was running a Worm-based Quest, and the players were… working together as a professional and competent team of, if not friends, then at least colleagues. So, a new way to block them from being successful and productive was needed.


You would think that will all of the successive roadblocks he needs to keep adding to try and railroad the narrative, eventually Occam's Razor would suggest that perhaps it's his philosophy that's flawed, not almost every single reader

Don't forget the timeline element because while it's probably so Cauldron's first gen are still around Scion arrives in 1982 and due to the staggered arrival of shards butterflies are minimal for a few years since it took time for people to be connected to shards then trigger and then go out as capes which they didn't even know were human until Vikare died in 89. Heck Behemoth didn't atk until 93 which got the prt set up so that's when they'd really start.

However, despite this Wildbow has it that in 2011 groups like the Fallen and Herren clan have kids in their mid and upper teens who were born in their isolated cult communities when before Scion's arrival our earths were identical. That means the communities would be set up in what 94, 95 or thereabouts so Nazism and endbringer worship picked up that quickly before things even really got bad.

NEPEA-5 is very much a realistic thing to happen because unregulated parahumans absolutely would collapse the economy or cause shitton of industrial accidents/catastrophes. Someone who had experience in this sphere probably would've wrote something better and more realistic but I doubt people around here have in depth knowledge of world- or even just country- wide economy and industry inner workings(no matter what some individuals might try to claim).

Nepea is actually pretty unrealistic because when laws like it get passed they have a grace period usually to the end of the calendar or tax year before they come into effect so that businesses have a chance to adapt to them. Nepea however, lacked that coming into effect immediately hitting then with such large fines as to instantly make a ton of businesses bankrupt and a ton of capes run to the prt for help they'd only get by joining implying the fines are also a lot larger than normal. Given that it should have be easy to stop it or amend it because of how it's specifically discriminating against parahumans and how businesses in general wouldn't like that a precedent like that exists.
 
However, despite this Wildbow has it that in 2011 groups like the Fallen and Herren clan have kids in their mid and upper teens who were born in their isolated cult communities when before Scion's arrival our earths were identical. That means the communities would be set up in what 94, 95 or thereabouts so Nazism and endbringer worship picked up that quickly before things even really got bad.
The Herren clans are eugenicists; that particular ideology is significantly older than even Italian neofascism and Wildbow is hardly the first sci-fi author to have ancient breeding cults hanging around (see Dark Angel for example). As for the Fallen, they seem like apocalyptic preppers turned into a cult, which considering how preppers are today doesn't actually seem like much of a stretch. Having one or both groups refocus on parahumans is barely a blip by comparison.
 
The Herren clans are eugenicists; that particular ideology is significantly older than even Italian neofascism and Wildbow is hardly the first sci-fi author to have ancient breeding cults hanging around (see Dark Angel for example). As for the Fallen, they seem like apocalyptic preppers turned into a cult, which considering how preppers are today doesn't actually seem like much of a stretch. Having one or both groups refocus on parahumans is barely a blip by comparison.

Per wog tho the timelines of Aleph and Bet are identical to our earth before Scion's arrival and the thing I find a stretch is despite butterflies being non-existent before 82 and minor before 89 they have their communities set up and kids born in them around 95 which just seems way too soon especially for the fallen since again Behemoth didn't appear until the end of 93 with atks at that point being like once every 8 months so it seems iffy for a full blown isolated cult worshipping it as sent by God to be set up after what 2 or 3 atks in total.
 
Per wog tho the timelines of Aleph and Bet are identical to our earth before Scion's arrival and the thing I find a stretch is despite butterflies being non-existent before 82 and minor before 89 they have their communities set up and kids born in them around 95 which just seems way too soon especially for the fallen since again Behemoth didn't appear until the end of 93 with atks at that point being like once every 8 months so it seems iffy for a full blown isolated cult worshipping it as sent by God to be set up after what 2 or 3 atks in total.
Maybe they were already an isolated cult pre endbringers? Then they just rebranded after the endbringers showed up.
 
Canonicity isn't asking for permission here; it goes original work, word of god, official derivative work, and then other shit. Wildbow's words of god might be canon to Wildbow but they aren't canon to Worm.

Again, I don't think there is any contradiction, so appealing to a non-existent canon policy doesn't really do anything here.

I can see food from trek being just replicator stuff and it being off because of it

the replicator cant make living tissue, so fruits and raw ingredients would be the worst, whilst breads and crackers would be indistinguishable

There's enough food purists in the Federation and Trek in-general for there to be non-replicated food. Picard still gets fresh caviar from the Caspian Sea on Earth, the Siskos have a non-replicator based restaurant in New Orleans, and there's still people on Earth who butcher animals and grow crops on Earth because they want to.

And given cultures like the Ferengi and Klingons, who eat live animals, if you specify a culture's cuisine, you can probably avoid the replicated stuff.

Joe has the know-how to build the Fallout Nuka-Gen Replicator, which can mass create live animals, including custom-made hybrids like Gatorclaws. So, Joe can always hybridize that with a Trek replicator and get one that can make living cells in food casually.
 
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Except we know that's rubbish because Brockton Believes ay and Lords Port don't exist on our earth. That suggests a minimum deviation from our timeline of at least a century.

The divergence point was between Earth Aleph and Bet with Scion's arrival, the confusion seems to stem from Aleph being considerably more similar to the IRL timeline, with 9/11, no Endbringers and substantially weaker capes.

Brockton Bay has roots from the colonial era, making its existence within the proposed 30-year divergence point as a new city impossible.
 
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Earth-Bet also doesn't have one dollar bills, and instead uses coins, something that the Travelers comment on as weird when they arrive to Bet. It diverges far beyond just Scion's arrival.
 
Earth-Bet also doesn't have one dollar bills, and instead uses coins, something that the Travelers comment on as weird when they arrive to Bet. It diverges far beyond just Scion's arrival.
That's probably one of the weirdest divergences. Because why? Coins are heavier and cost more to produce. The government would start producing bills as early as possible.
 
Maybe it is a Canadian idiosyncrasy Wildbow accidentally included as a minor detail and canonised later?
 
Maybe it is a Canadian idiosyncrasy Wildbow accidentally included as a minor detail and canonised later?
Possibly.
Bet also completely phased out pennies. So, the cost of everything is rounded up or down to the nearest nickel.
That at least makes sense from a monetary perspective. Should have fazed out nickels as well though. From what I remember they are even worse offenders than pennies.
 
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That's probably one of the weirdest divergences. Because why? Coins are heavier and cost more to produce. The government would start producing bills as early as possible.
The issue with notes is that they have a shorter lifespan — especially for small denominations that are going to be used frequently, and thus accumulate far more wear-and-tear much faster. This means that they need replacing, and… well, if a dollar coin costs 5 times as much to produce, but lasts for 10 times as long, then it's actually half the price overall.

This is why the United Kingdom got rid of the One Pound Note in 1988, and why the US Treasury would have preferred for people to use One Dollar Coins, which they were regularly minting for distribution from 1971 until 2011 (when they finally admitted defeat, and now only mint "collectors" dollar coins.)

In other words, you've got it backwards: the government actually wants to stop producing small-denomination bills as early as possible, because otherwise it gets too expensive.

So, something about Scion appearing in 1982 (when the USA used both One Dollar Bills and One Dollar Notes) meant that Earth Bet later used coins as the default; it might be that they became more popular and people forgot about the notes (just as people seem to forget about the coins!), or it might just be that the US-Bet Government decided to withdraw the notes from circulation for some reason.
 
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The issue with notes is that they have a shorter lifespan — especially for small denominations that are going to be used frequently, and thus accumulate far more wear-and-tear much faster. This means that they need replacing, and… well, if a dollar coin costs 5 times as much to produce, but lasts for 10 times as long, then it's actually half the price overall.

This is why the United Kingdom got rid of the One Pound Note in 1988, and why the US Treasury would have preferred for people to use One Dollar Coins, which they were regularly minting for distribution from 1971 until 2011 (when they finally admitted defeat, and now only mint "collectors" dollar coins.)

In other words, you've got it backwards: the government actually wants to stop producing small-denomination bills as early as possible, because otherwise it gets too expensive.
Ah. Didn't know that. Still doesn't help the problem of them being physically larger and heavier. Lots of people never use coins at all, so for them anything smaller than a 5 dollar bill, or possibly 2 if they didn't faze that out, would basically not exist.
 
Ah. Didn't know that. Still doesn't help the problem of them being physically larger and heavier. Lots of people never use coins at all, so for them anything smaller than a 5 dollar bill, or possibly 2 if they didn't faze that out, would basically not exist.
I was under the impression that USA Bet had coins for all denominations like 2$, 5$, 10$, 20$, 50$, 100$ all available as a coin because parahumans could easily damage fiat currency's value by counterfeiting fakes of such quality they're indistinguishable from legal tender but coins will always be made of material with "inherent" value. Could parahumans forge fake coins, yes, but they would still be made of metal
 
I was under the impression that USA Bet had coins for all denominations like 2$, 5$, 10$, 20$, 50$, 100$ all available as a coin because parahumans could easily damage fiat currency's value by counterfeiting fakes of such quality they're indistinguishable from legal tender but coins will always be made of material with "inherent" value. Could parahumans forge fake coins, yes, but they would still be made of metal

i dont think the US has enough precious metals to do this, its partially why the gold standard was droped, you cant grow an economy to the size of the US using precious metals
 
Cauldron is drastically overhyped as a secret conspiracy. There's like 6 members most of which never leave their secret base, and only one member is active as an actual societal manipulator and she's active not just globally but she's also active on other Earths.
That's not entirely true. Cauldron has an extensive support staff and also "contracts out" a lot of its work. It has a couple of leaders that stick around its base and not everyone they have know the full extent of what they are doing but Cauldron is a fairly substantial organization.
 
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