Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

I hope we get a combat scene with Aisha at some point; even (or especially) if it's not as Lethe: she's been trained by a literal demigod of war in a place designed by a god of progress specifically to promote the best results from training, has at least two different supernatural boosts to strength and speed and is fully psychic even before you get to her armour, alchemy, water elementalism etc. so it should be epic tier just like Survey stopping the E88 and Teeth absolutely cold with just two moves.

From the baddies' pov, one moment they're fine, the next they're beaten all to hell. "Did you make us forget the fight?" "No, you idiot, I'm just that fast."
 
btw,what does "excluded from purchase" perks mean,what are the requisites for them to become avaible?

Correct me if I am wrong, but there were certain Perks removed because of the Lord's unfamiliarity with the work at hand, that might be re-implemented later.
 
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As someone who is familiar with the propulsion industry I can confidently say no; these things are no where near the same thing. I will give you that they both are electrometrically actuated systems. The scale from accelerating individual atoms to actual objects. We are talking so many orders of magnitude of power systems here. A Xeon atom is one thing

To clarify the best is pound for pound (of reaction mass) is definitely ion thrusters but its hard to beat Hydrazine in a RCT. We are talking years to seconds orders of magnitude. Hydrazine is great if you want to set concrete on fire, melt people explosively while they are also on fire because its hypergolic, but if you need immediate attitude control, its hard to beat. I think its molecular decomposition reaction has like a 1:4 ratio of liquid to gas deflagration ratio with the right catalyst. Its been a while since I have dealt with these types of things so grains of salt should be consumed widely.
 
To clarify the best is pound for pound (of reaction mass) is definitely ion thrusters but its hard to beat Hydrazine in a RCT. We are talking years to seconds orders of magnitude. Hydrazine is great if you want to set concrete on fire, melt people explosively while they are also on fire because its hypergolic, but if you need immediate attitude control, its hard to beat. I think its molecular decomposition reaction has like a 1:4 ratio of liquid to gas deflagration ratio with the right catalyst. Its been a while since I have dealt with these types of things so grains of salt should be consumed widely.
Was that the stuff used in the acid-jet?
 
Was that the stuff used in the acid-jet?

Yup, until no pilot would fly it because everyone kept dying. Horribly. There is a reason that before they decommission an old satellite into the ocean they exhaust all the reserves so in case they f up the doesn't destroy some countries marine ecosystem. I heard its coral reef's antichrist... But it really only used in space and funny enough, in the wafer production of semiconductors in clean rooms. When you need to make sure things are "absolutely clean".
 
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ME-163?

Part of the issue with that engine was that rocket engines are suited for on-off binary throttle. If you need to maintain lower speed, you use pulse and glide techniques.

But because of luftewaffe bureaucracy rules, all engines in service were required to be throttleable. They managed to compromise on the range of that throttle, but it was a heavier, more complicated, less safe engine than otherwise was possible.
 
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Exactly, she will learn about Survey eventually. If she didn't already given the questions she may have been asked.
Even if Survey didn't look into Coil, do you think she is not aware of missing cases that happened during the Bank Heist?
Here's a WoG on that (obtained from the repository on Discord):
Survey knows that Dinah has vanished, but she doesn't have enough evidence to definitively tie it to Coil. The timing is highly suspect, but there isn't actually that much information around the kidnapping. It is likely classified as a disappearance rather than a kidnapping or abduction. If someone saw Coil's men take Dinah then there would have been no point in the amount of effort that he expended diverting attention. Not to downplay Dinah's situation, but Brockton Bay is a terrible city with a lot of crime. If Dinah wasn't from a wealthy and politically connected family her disappearance probably would have gotten minimal media and police attention.
Some other relevant WoGs:
"Hey, I just started reading this but I need to know a spoiler so I'm asking here at latest chapter. What happened to Dinah in this fic ? I've read up to the point where she gets kidnapped and tried to look up what eventually became of her but can't find anything. Hopefully with all the power the forge will likely grant him he didn't just forget about her because that would kill the fic for me.

Tldr: Did he rescue Dinah ? If so then which chapter? Thx in advance.":

Dinah is still being held by Coil. Joe's precog obstruction effects have Coil convinced that Joe isn't planning anything against him, while Joe is doing exactly that. He's holding off on taking out Coil for a number of reasons, including the global attention on his actions and Lisa's concerns over Noelle. It's important to note that Joe doesn't actually know about Coil holding Dinah and would not be okay leaving her there if he did. Once that comes out Lisa will have a lot to answer for, particularly since the only reason Joe didn't already know is her requests for him to leave things to her.

"one thing I do not understand is why would Joe be angry at Lisa when he finds out about Dinah. he knows that her morality is as he described as enlightened self-interest and he could have found out about her with all the resources he have if he did not let said teenagers take charge when he KNOWS she is fucking with him.":

Joe would be angry because emotional reactions are not based on logical processing of facts. It would be as simple as hurt girl = outrage. Also, Joe being angry at himself because of how he handled the situation doesn't mean he won't be angry with Lisa for how she handled the situation. Lisa having terrible moral standards which are reinforced by her actions in this matter would make Joe more angry, not less.

[Follow-up]

I'm not sure why you're fixating on the fact that Joe will feel anger when he learns about a child suffering. Regardless of the details of the situation or the nature of the people involved, anger would be a very natural reaction towards everyone involved. That includes Coil, Lisa, and even himself. Yes, Lisa has compromised morality, but there are levels to that. He has had no indications that she would be alright with something of this nature, and frankly she won't be. Once she finds out she will be horrified. That will mostly be because she understands the situation, her role in it, and how Joe will react, but she's not going to be trying to say Joe has no right to be upset because he should have known what he was getting into. Once again, anger is an emotion, and emotions aren't based on logical assessments of a situation. If you're asking what Joe will do, that's a different story, but no matter what action he decides to take, feeling angry about the situation will be a very natural reaction.

TL;DR Nobody knows that the situation is this bad and everyone will be upset with themselves when they find out.
 
I don't know some fics give Coil a second chance for some reason, it's kind of funny given that his power is all about giving himself second chances with everyone else non the wiser.

I feel like that is mostly down to the utility of his power, although Joe at this stage can probably make a better equivalent Teigu from his hair or nails.

Oh yes he will! As a soul. In a jar. In a dark lonely room.

We can finally have some work for Tybalt's military soul squad!
 
Once that comes out Lisa will have a lot to answer for, particularly since the only reason Joe didn't already know is her requests for him to leave things to her.

Ah so this entire clusterfuck is an excuse to dank on Lisa so hard, her parallels across the multiverse will feel it. I approve!
 
I feel like that is mostly down to the utility of his power, although Joe at this stage can probably make a better equivalent Teigu from his hair or nails.
His power isn't that useful though? It canonically does all the decision making for him WRT which simulation to be "real" and then cheats like a bastard to make the predicted events happen. Not good if you actually want to make changes and even less good if you like the concept of free will. It works okay for Coil because he's a moron and a delusional megalomaniac so it never occurs to him that he's being played harder than that piano in the aristocats.
Worse, Joe already beat it; he's been feeding false info to the simulated futures* for a while now so Coil is convinced he's not going to react to anything. Heck, I bet Coil has been spending time with simulated Tattletale and getting "information" out of her that makes zero actual sense because his shard can't even predict the force field watch properly.


*before anyone asks: Outside Context Problem specifically says that Outside Context Problem doesn't protect the jumper from Coil's precog. It does not say that Coil's precog cannot be defeated or worked around via other means, means which Joe put in place, if I remember correctly, just before the Summit. Not that Coil could predict anything in the Workshop since the SSS privacy curtain was installed so all his models were at least a bit off long before that.
 
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One way to defeat Coil in one fell swoop is for him to bumble into Joe's trap card, knowing his real identity. Hell, Tattletale can coax him into learning about it.
 
So there recent WoG that gives some insight into Mr. Laborn's character:
With respect to Mr. Laborn 'buttering up' Joe, it's mostly the result of some reflection and personal growth he's gone through recently. Brian's dad was exceptionally hard on him growing up and was described as training him by sparing him, a grown man going all out against Brain when he was still basically a child. The kind of thing that would probably qualify as abuse, but was done out of a sincere intent to train Brian and toughen him up. Mr. Laborn pulled the same thing with Joe, putting him in a sparring match against the gym's top student, both as a way of showing how serious the gym was and as a warning about Aisha. Not only did Joe make it through the entire bout without complaining or tapping out, he came back to the gym and even helped out on some rather critical issues. His impression of the situation with Brian was that his son decided he would rather leave him and the gym behind than risk telling his father about Alec. When he spoke to other people at the gym about it they pretty much laid out Brian's brutally strict upbringing as the reason for him hiding things. It's caused Mr. Laborn to reconsider a lot of his old behaviors and reassess his treatment of Brian and other students.
There's also the fact that Doug thinks Joe might be a tinker, and no one wants to get on the wrong side of that. There's really no good way to say "Sorry I had Vince beat your face in, please don't send a giant robot after me", but Mr. Laborn is doing the best he can.

I particularly like the last 2 sentences, it is mostly Lord making a joke, but before now I thought that Doug kept his suspicions about Joe to himself, and now apparently Mr. Laborn knows too. Makes me wonder who else Doug shared those concerns with. Also, now I want to see a scene where Mr. Laborn tries to warn Aisha not to annoy Joe too much, becouse he might be a tinker, meanwhile Aisha engages all here willpower to act normal and not die of laughter right there.
 
One way to defeat Coil in one fell swoop is for him to bumble into Joe's trap card, knowing his real identity. Hell, Tattletale can coax him into learning about it.

I personally believe Coil already knows Joe's civilian identity. After rereading his interlude, he mentioned 4 or 5 specific instances of throw-away timelines testing Joe and his capabilities, and further mentioned having done many more and noting that Joe's defenses were growing over the course of the tests. But they all ended the same way, if Joe survived the attack, he would run away, as Tattletale and Dinah predicted. It's the only reason he let him live in the first place. What is important to note however, is even that wasn't enough to satisfy Coil, and he stated he would take the next few days to find out his civilian identity to have even more leverage on him, because he's paranoid. Rightfully so I might add. This interlude was before the Unholy Hour. Several days before hand in fact. I don't know the exact timeline, but I'd think it's been at least a week and a half, if not outright two weeks since the interlude, which means he has had plenty of time to find Joe's identity. And given Joe's growth, he'd definitely prioritize it in dumped timelines.

Also Lord loves to hint at future plot points with casual chatter, like when Aisha mentioned Joe could teach her lots, or Joe's comment on having a volcano to complete his villain lair, etc. So I do believe Joe asking Lisa if Coil knew his identity might be one of those hints.
 
I personally believe Coil already knows Joe's civilian identity. After rereading his interlude, he mentioned 4 or 5 specific instances of throw-away timelines testing Joe and his capabilities, and further mentioned having done many more and noting that Joe's defenses were growing over the course of the tests. But they all ended the same way, if Joe survived the attack, he would run away, as Tattletale and Dinah predicted. It's the only reason he let him live in the first place. What is important to note however, is even that wasn't enough to satisfy Coil, and he stated he would take the next few days to find out his civilian identity to have even more leverage on him, because he's paranoid. Rightfully so I might add. This interlude was before the Unholy Hour. Several days before hand in fact. I don't know the exact timeline, but I'd think it's been at least a week and a half, if not outright two weeks since the interlude, which means he has had plenty of time to find Joe's identity. And given Joe's growth, he'd definitely prioritize it in dumped timelines.

Also Lord loves to hint at future plot points with casual chatter, like when Aisha mentioned Joe could teach her lots, or Joe's comment on having a volcano to complete his villain lair, etc. So I do believe Joe asking Lisa if Coil knew his identity might be one of those hints.
Actually the thing is that Joe's whole career up to this point is very fast compared to even canon Worm. We have spent at most about two weeks days filled with activities and have gotten over 100 chapters from it all.

Part of this is due to the sheer power of the Forge and what it grants him. But another is how Shards are causing things to move forward to get more of that delicious data. Although it is shocking at how quickly they got Flechette and Weld since that they showed up so quickly.

And also keep in mind that Joe literally had caused so much chaos during the whole thing. Helping take out Oni Lee, arming the Undersiders with their knives that led to the Aegis Slash, Ami getting put into M/S protocols, Bakuda at the train yard are honestly the lightest things he caused. He has literally proven that Brockton Bay's PRT is fucked up, saved Weld, drawn the attention of practically everyone, killed Lung, out performed every Tinker alive, got Dragon after him, and literally shaken the game board.

Coil only had a few days to attempt to get his secret identity before this all went down with the earliest being when he visited the Undersider's base the first time. After that, unless he used his powers to attack him in public or got a picture to run the government databases that he should have access to in the PRT, then after a few days he just couldn't. Things went up into the air and turned into hell before Joe even made the anti-precog defenses. Defenses that foul up nearly everyone's but Coils to a lesser extent.

Coil might have his Civilian ID, but I would find that unlikely.
 
I personally believe Coil already knows Joe's civilian identity. After rereading his interlude, he mentioned 4 or 5 specific instances of throw-away timelines testing Joe and his capabilities, and further mentioned having done many more and noting that Joe's defenses were growing over the course of the tests. But they all ended the same way, if Joe survived the attack, he would run away, as Tattletale and Dinah predicted. It's the only reason he let him live in the first place. What is important to note however, is even that wasn't enough to satisfy Coil, and he stated he would take the next few days to find out his civilian identity to have even more leverage on him, because he's paranoid. Rightfully so I might add. This interlude was before the Unholy Hour. Several days before hand in fact. I don't know the exact timeline, but I'd think it's been at least a week and a half, if not outright two weeks since the interlude, which means he has had plenty of time to find Joe's identity. And given Joe's growth, he'd definitely prioritize it in dumped timelines.

Also Lord loves to hint at future plot points with casual chatter, like when Aisha mentioned Joe could teach her lots, or Joe's comment on having a volcano to complete his villain lair, etc. So I do believe Joe asking Lisa if Coil knew his identity might be one of those hints.

Pretty sure it's also mentioned that because he didn't know it he did things like make the Dauntless family member suggestion to the prt and have his mercs search his body for id the time they blew his head off. Atking early Joe also wasn't that hard for him since he had opportunities basically every time Joe met the undersiders but he never got Joe's id from it. He also hasn't had plenty of time to pursue it because Coil's been busy with other things like the Travellers and the disruptions March caused.
 
24 hour Delay Announcement
At this point it feels like the chapters have been more delayed than not, but as much as I regret that state of affairs, I will not be able to finish this week's chapter for tonight. I was hoping to be able to wrap things up during the final stretch, but things didn't' come together that way. Once again, I'm announcing a 24 hour delay to give me time to complete the chapter and once again I am apologizing for the late notice.
 
At this point it feels like the chapters have been more delayed than not, but as much as I regret that state of affairs, I will not be able to finish this week's chapter for tonight. I was hoping to be able to wrap things up during the final stretch, but things didn't' come together that way. Once again, I'm announcing a 24 hour delay to give me time to complete the chapter and once again I am apologizing for the late notice.
Take as long as you need. I honestly forgot that was today.
 
At this point it feels like the chapters have been more delayed than not, but as much as I regret that state of affairs, I will not be able to finish this week's chapter for tonight. I was hoping to be able to wrap things up during the final stretch, but things didn't' come together that way. Once again, I'm announcing a 24 hour delay to give me time to complete the chapter and once again I am apologizing for the late notice.
I say we let you continue to Cook.

You have been doing a great job writing this story so take your time and enjoy yourself! We aren't forcing you to after all.
 
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