I believe that there actually isn't a statement. The idea is more born from the lack of mentions of children in the birdcage. There are really only two explanations, children are born in the birdcage and are just never mentioned. Or, somehow either through forced sterilization or contraceptives in the food and water prevent children.
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It leaves people with more life then a execution.
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Yeah. I'd take the Birdcage over execution 100 times out of 100. Life, however horrifically terrible it might be, is still infinitely better than death.
I think there is actually a statement about it in either canon or wogs now that it's been mentioned. Though the really ironic thing about the birdcage is that it's actually better than what they did in Ward. What they did there was following the standard super villain prison breaks they used a portal device Kenzie suddenly became able to build to dump villains onto empty earths with only a cabin and basic necessities which would also require them to scavenge their own food and water.
I wasn't aware that there actually was a statement. Anyway, even if there isn't it's pretty easy to infer that there's something stopping children.
As for what they do in Ward, it makes me think of Queen of Blood and what happened to Sophia. She gets dropped on dino earth.
I can't remember who, but I remember someone on the internet addressing the current USA prison system. He said the prison system has five main purposes.
1) Rehabilitate prisoners.
2) Punish Criminals.
3) Social Awareness (via making examples of criminals).
4) Protect Society from Criminals.
5) Allowing law enforcement officials to 'keep their hands clean' as much as possible.
Aside from rehabilitation, the Birdcage would have addressed the other four goals.
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Probably the reason they parked the Fairy Queen there.
She collected Bakuda's power and everyone else's who died in there.
I would argue that exile is actually the ultimate alternative to execution or imprisonment; as a demonstration of the harm that their actions had to society they are forced to form their own society.
Let me rephrase that they are each put on their own empty earth so they have absolutely no company or contact with others aside from the once a week I think it was check if they were still alive so they couldn't form a society. This policy did actually come back to bite them because at least one of the titans was someone who they did that to. Vicky actually had the gall to feel guilty about because that was the one who altered Sveta in exchange for more comforts so she regretted letting him have them for some silly reason like it meant he hadn't had to rough it as much so hadn't gotten used to it unlike the others and wasn't distracted by having to work for sustenance.
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On the Birdcage debate, I think that Cauldron should have started a PR campaign on using Masters. It would be best if you didn't alienate a tenth of your parahuman population when they could be used for enhanced brainwashing, reformation, de-mastering (master into being not mastered), crowd control and research into anti-master effects.
Being dropped on isolated Earths also counts as Cruel and Unusual Punishment, given how damaging total isolation is, you see, by promoting heroic Masters, you can use them to control other uncooperative Capes, or multiply existing capability, i.e. Canon Khepri.
Like with Joe's propaganda, villain and society manipulation powers, he could do so technically with completely mundane technology, but that's Joe, Cauldron's business model is just stupid.
Being dropped on isolated Earths also counts as Cruel and Unusual Punishment, given how damaging total isolation is, you see, by promoting heroic Masters, you can use them to control other uncooperative Capes, or multiply existing capability, i.e. Canon Khepri.
Like with Joe's propaganda, villain and society manipulation powers, he could do so technically with completely mundane technology, but that's Joe, Cauldron's business model is just stupid.
The reason the USA prison system is the way it is, is so that companies can profit off the unpaid labor (slavery) of the inmates. This is because the land of the free technicaly still allows slavery if the slave is a criminal. Corporate execs saw this decades (more like nearly a century) ago and lobbied for ways to take advantage of this loophole. That's also why attempts to change the Us prison system for the better has failed the in nearly every attempt. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the prisons in the Us are not state owned so how do you think they're staying open? The work of the prisoners is how.
Sorry about the rant just had to get that off my chest.
You're wrong.
They're not state owned, but they are state paid. Prisoner labor is not the foundation of their operating budget.
They absolutely do use it as a way to generate profits (including defraying operating costs) though.
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One of the exceptions to Lincoln's amendment is prisoner labour. You know, instead of PRT containment, Kill Orders or the Birdcage. Maybe they could use the Simurgh collars on the non-Tinkers to get them in Community Service doing infrastructure repair and as free compact labour.
Most US prisons are however privately
run, sold to the lowest bidder, which has aggravated already bad conditions to much worse.
I guess that's one upside of the Birdcage, I can't imagine how much worse, a private parahuman prison would be.
Most US prisons are however privately
run, sold to the lowest bidder, which has aggravated already bad conditions to much worse.
I guess that's one upside of the Birdcage, I can't imagine how much worse, a private parahuman prison would be.
Barring unfortunate events, we are. At least, I hope so!
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Hopefully Lord's still feeling up to it, but it has been a lot nicer with the new fortnightly schedule, mostly it's only a day-long delay which is far more tolerable than a week-long delay, more importantly Lord seems to be in a better place mentally and that means good things for him and the quality and quantity of BCF.
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Remember, this started out as a Boredem Hobby-Project during Covid, but now it has surpassed many a novel series in Quality and Quantity.
Honestly, it's pretty good for his first work, and much better scheduled too than some others.
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Honestly I feel like this work does such a better job exploring and demonstrating the effects on a person who grew up with a narcissistic family than any other (fiction) book touching on family dynamics. It also has a lot to say about creativity and design (and how what you're designing something for is very important). Finally the actual situation of the story just has a lot of fun with itself and the setting. Overall 10/10 story.
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The way Lord portrays overpowered characters as humans who understand their powers and have control over themselves unlike all of stories that have characters who gain really powerful powers out of nowhere without understanding their powers as well as disregarding how society actually works.
Here we have an MC who doesn't let the power enter his head to stop thinking and believe himself to be the greatest and that laws . Who literally broke and have just started to fix and better himself, especially because he is seeking, asking and most importantly accepting help and advice from those he considers as friends and family.
Other stories feel like the MC is alone and that everyone else are just NPC that have a preorganized set of responses that seems mechanical.
Here we have an MC who doesn't let the power enter his head to stop thinking and believe himself to be the greatest and that laws . Who literally broke and have just started to fix and better himself, especially because he is seeking, asking and most importantly accepting help and advice from those he considers as friends and family.
Other stories feel like the MC is alone and that everyone else are just NPC that have a preorganized set of responses that seems mechanical.
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I have been absolutely swamped recently and haven't had much time to devote to writing. I was still hoping to be able to get the chapter up tonight, but decided to announce a 24-hour delay so I can make sure it is properly polished. Given the amount of buildup that has happened around chapter 100, I do not want to put something out that's not up to my standards. I'm sorry for how common these short delays have become and will be doing my best to avoid them once my schedule finally calms down.
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Time of reluctance.
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No problem, take your time as we're all sure it will be worth the wait.
Take your time, no worries. We'll still be here waiting to read