Ah okay. I was confused for a second there.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
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My understanding is that the Shard itself is hinted to be a Jumper here (ala the Jumpchain conceit). It doesn't really have the ability to communicate more than general affective information to its host, and it selects (or it might genuinely be random "in-setting") motes for Joe to acquire.
ExploerTM
Ruin has found you at last!
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Jumper would've known about perk interactions though. Fandom Shard looks at each power in isolation as if it never used more than one at a time.
Gully braced for the rejection, the excuses.
"Sure. Super easy. Barely an inconvenience."
"... Wait what?"
"Actually where's Weld we'll get him in one go too."
He might be able to kludge it into imitating a ion drive but nah; at the moment it seems to simply be because these electrons can apparently imitate mass or at least more easily provide leverage upon mass a lot more easily then regular magnetic fields.
Chloe Sullivan
Subdefective
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A MCS is straight up an anti-grav, not an ion drive.
Joe would be going to the charity event as Joe, not Apeiron so even if there was contact she wouldn't know about it and he would still have no justification for getting involved as the "mercenary" Apeiron.
That gave me a thought though. Parian has a high likelihood of seeing Joe at the event as Joe which for her is arguably a bigger deal than seeing his alter ego. Remember he is specifically the unnamed asshole who made her trigger from her canon interlude. He's effectively her Emma and Sophia and will be looking healthy and successful at this "little" event. An event that Sabah thought was going to be her revenge against Garment for stealing her schtick which has already completely backfired.
Poor girl is probably going to second trigger.
Ostentatiousness
I am the man who arranges the blocks.
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So I've had a thought that been rattling around my head for a while: Shouldn't the power that either makes 5 copies or 25 times the volume make 10 duplicates or two duplicates who are 25 times the volume of a league standard Joe? I mean, shouldn't that count as making something new when he drinks the potion?
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IIRC from last discussion on this topic, LordR said that while its undoubtedly stressful situation for Parian, its still not enough for Second Trigger because Second Trigger needs to be so, SO, SO much worse than first one. Still, her metldown would be fun to watch ngl
Nah, it doesnt count. Joe is not really making new stuff, feat backed potion does all the heavy lifting. I think that Joe can get 5 potions at once but thats about it.
Sorry, I didn't mean it literally, it was more a "gonna have a heart attack" sort of hyperbole.
You know, speaking of the duplicates... how long has this latest set been around? What was the last chapter where Joe refreshed his Dupes?
No. It's not him making something, it's the potion that he made doing something. Like if he makes a health potion he can get copies, but if he drinks it, he's not making that health, he's not making a regeneration affect, he made something that he then uses to indirectly apply it to himself.
At the end of chapter 87, just before going to therapy. So, about 1~2 hours before "now" in the story. With potion lasting over 4 hours, the next doze probably be just before Joe will go to sleep.
I know that Joe's current global psych hazard insists that he is "The Enigmatic Artificer" but is the title completely static? Could his title change? WOG?
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Regarding the artificial humans Joe plans to mass produce in order to swap out for any humans which stumble into the S9's plan, isn't his plan stupidly risky?
Joe has made huge efforts to not trigger Jack's "Danger Sense" by keeping all parahumans ignorant and completely uninvolved with the approaching conflict. But Shards are giant meat computers which are not limited to meager human brains as senses (as demonstrated by Taylor's spatial awareness of the location of each of her controlled insects).
If, for example, a parahuman with abilities similar to Taylor were to swapped out with an artificial replacement wouldn't her Shard note the change even if Taylor herself was unconscious? Given that the Broadcast Shard is communicating directly with local Shards and NOT their hosts, wouldn't Broadcast notice when every host in their path disappears?
I know that Broadcast doesn't clearly communicate with Jack Slash but Shard shenanigans are pretty normal around Joe.
I'm guessing that the artificial humans/bodies are probably relevant for a future plot arc but they seem likely an unnecessary risk at the current time.
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Hold your horses, before all this questions, where did you get the idea that Joe's planing to SWAP people out?
I wonder whether Carol might end up having a Second Trigger in light of that; confinement and perceived betrayal were major parts of her Trigger, matching to her power being a Striker/Breaker, and social confinement and perceived betrayal, as opposed to physical confinement and perceived betrayal, might be similar enough to her original Trigger to set a second one off and in a more esoteric way then her original one.
He might be able to muddy those waters by incorporating some Mage Bomb mechanics into his cybernetics.
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It's a static title, if I recall correctly. It was from A Thing About Names, and I don't really remember if there was a time titles changed in the setting of the Perk that came from. Thankfully however, a later perk Joe got made his titles and names appear normal and ordinary to people, so if Apeiron ever got something like "God-King of the Celestial Forge" people would just nod and go, "Yeah, seems fitting, let us not panic about it and just go about our merry way."
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Speaking of Fallen London I wonder whether Joe will be able to integrate The Correspondence or The Discordance into some construct or another; somewhat hard to be burned by thinking of it when it's being thought on a brain made out of burning.
Similarly something forged out of the Life stored in that Amber could probably manipulate biology rather well; it might be worth it to make some healing nanites out of it. I know that Matrix has more manufacturing throughput then most Earths, the sum-total of them I mean, and enough universally applicable function and precision to use that to repair a person but some specialized medical nanites or other equipment, possibly including both spiritual and temporal restoration abilities as well as biological restoration and modification ones, would probably not be a bad idea.
It might end up being a bit of a collab' project between Survey and Matrix since Survey seems like she would be just as interested in developing ways to modify the body as testing permutations of biological systems. For that matter some degree of specialization regarding the restructuring of things like metals or crystals or amorphous solids or transportation though varieties of materials like air, land-sea, and plasma; restructuring things on the fly to soak though them seems effective but it also seems like somewhat poor craftsmanship.
Cave_Canem
Miniature Cyberwolf
Joe has already gotten it arranged so that the Nine aren't running into anybody anymore - the decoys are specifically to head off suspicion on not running into someone for days on end, by just being present as they pass through.
They are not replacing anyone.
I recently started reading jump chain stories and seeing how 600+ cp perks are basically the foundation of peoples streghts and how big of a deal they actually are especially for the first world has really given me a perspective for how OP Joe actually is lol, how many thousands of points does he have by now? 100k? he might e specialized but he's up there in the big leagues for most jumpers
Here's a couple of new Words of Lord:
Gully is going to at least make an appearance at the charity event, though she's not going to like it. Both Joe and Garment will be aware of her there (in a personal sense, rather than as a datapoint from Survey). Seeing that, they'll work on some method that will allow Joe to intercede on her behalf, with contact probably made within a day of the event or so
Joe will see Gully at the charity event, and seeing someone in person makes a much bigger impact than just being presented with a report on their presence. Knowing how uncomfortable she is, he'll be more likely to reach out to her under whatever excuse he can manage. Weld is a more delicate issue, since that would mean contacting the Protectorate again. Joe is dancing around that, though he might approach Weld while he is on patrol or at some other time when he's not under direct observation.
Joe will see Gully at the charity event, and seeing someone in person makes a much bigger impact than just being presented with a report on their presence. Knowing how uncomfortable she is, he'll be more likely to reach out to her under whatever excuse he can manage. Weld is a more delicate issue, since that would mean contacting the Protectorate again. Joe is dancing around that, though he might approach Weld while he is on patrol or at some other time when he's not under direct observation.
While it didn't come up in the briefing to Chubster and the rest of the critical situation roster, there is at least suspicion within the Protectorate that Garment might be associated with or supported by the Celestial Forge. They don't have any hard evidence, but an inhuman tinker with a design flourish, possible coordination thinker powers, and an inherent shaker ability fits a little too well into the proposed cluster that is being theorized for the Celestial Forge. Nobody is acting on it or even openly discussing it because nobody wants to set off the forge if they're right, or cause unnecessary trouble or stigma if they are wrong.
Joe is at least going to have a face to face with the Triumvirate after he defeats the Slaughterhouse Nine. That's too big an act to not draw out the Protectorate's top capes. Joe isn't likely to come to blows with them, though it might not be the most friendly of meetings depending on what he's been able to glean from his passenger.
A few more things to cover before Tetra's procedure, so still time for a few more perks. Next chapter will have the call with Tattletale, but might not get to Tetra, though I'm hoping to get all the groundwork taken care of. I'm also planning to cover Tetra before I dive into the alternate perspective pieces to close out the day, including the New Wave meeting, Fleet and Tybalt's night out, and a check in with Armsmaster.
I was hoping to do this as a preamble to the New Wave meeting or as the addendum to the chapter before it, but there's a lot that I'm trying to fit to close out the evening so things get a bit shuffled around. The timeframes should still line up well enough, even though there will be a couple more Joe chapters before we get back to New Wave.
The New Wave meeting is still a couple of chapters off and will be happening at the same time as some of Joe's actions leading up to Tetra's procedure. The exact timeline gets a bit complicated, but shouldn't be an issue since events aren't interacting with each other.
I was hoping to do this as a preamble to the New Wave meeting or as the addendum to the chapter before it, but there's a lot that I'm trying to fit to close out the evening so things get a bit shuffled around. The timeframes should still line up well enough, even though there will be a couple more Joe chapters before we get back to New Wave.
The New Wave meeting is still a couple of chapters off and will be happening at the same time as some of Joe's actions leading up to Tetra's procedure. The exact timeline gets a bit complicated, but shouldn't be an issue since events aren't interacting with each other.
I was rereading the story, and I was wondering about the interactions between Noelle and Joe. On the wiki it says that the clone she produces are created through a process similar to budding. Would that be possible for Joe's shard? Because they weren't a part of the same entity? Or maybe because it is an irregular shard?
And assuming that she can, would the clones even be evil? Given the numerous mental shielding technologies and abilities Joe has?
Edit: Thank you!
And assuming that she can, would the clones even be evil? Given the numerous mental shielding technologies and abilities Joe has?
Edit: Thank you!
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If I recall correctly, the consensus we -The Readers- came to was actually pretty close to what Lord themselves stated about the situation.
Unless any of his new Perks since that discussion and WoG have altered the situation which they probably have, then Noelle can make copies of Joe as he would have been with his original shard [1] and while they would lack any of his FIAT or Celestial Forge granted abilities/powers they would retain all his knoweldge.
[1]] "It was like someone took the phrases 'Make Friends' and 'Change Your Mind' and decided to use them as tag lines for a horror movie. That's basically what my tinker power would have been. Nilbog meets Heartbreaker by way of Bonesaw.
And I would have gotten all those lovely powers while under the influence of drugs that seriously compromised my mental state, while in a house with people I was currently furious with, and with a passenger who would have had no intention of moderating my response.
I took the Celestial Forge and never looked back."
When I put "'Make Friends' and 'Change Your Mind'" into the search-bar set to search for posts within this specific thread it comes up with seven pages worth of results; I think that people are aware.
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Not everyone searches for posts. I dare even say its unusual to do it. Whatever its going through 1.49k pages of talk or just searching for a question in the thread.