Barbaric Bob
The Barbaric One
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Isn't joe a divine cyborg now tough? Would she even be able to latch on to anything now?
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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I did say that my comment was discounting any new powers that could have and likely have altered the situation. However until Lord say's something on the subject then we can assume it's still the previous scenario that will occur when Noelle and Joe do meet.
Though it is interesting to think about, because Joe isn't human anymore and hasn't been one for a while -a while in real life, but like a couple day's in story.- Depending on whether or not his Demigod Perk maintains his half mortal/human state regardless of other powers could change things.
If him not being human, but instead rather a Divine Being would prevent Noelle's shard from doing anything then she's no longer an issue -not that she is one. Joe can handle her easily.- However if his Demigod Perk retains some semblance of Mortality/Human DNA within him regardless of the fact that he is also fully Divine Being -FIAT for you.- then her shard would likely 'latch' onto his human bit's and use that as a base to contruct the copy.
I think, I could totally be wrong.
I'd make the argument that Joe might actually try to save Noelle, which might give her the proximity necessary to clone him, which would retain his knowledge, such as alchemy stuff, on top of his original trigger abilities.
Unless, of course, he just works through a proxy like Fleet, Survey, or the Matrix, or even the development of a new medical suit or something.
MagicalAmbitions
the rose in your vase
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I don't think that the logic that we can assume that the author's previous statements about a certain phenomenon in the story As It Was when they said it still hold up after the progression of the story, given that this story involves regularly gaining new mysterious phenomena that interact with the old ones in interesting and intriguing ways.
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Pretty sure there was also a wog that he can't get caught by her as well.
Cyborgs have fleshy bits by definition; if anything I would think that this would mean that he now couldn't avoid having fleshy bits.
Also with the degree of holistic cybernetic integration suggested by Joe's observation of the Godbody I would expect his physiology to naturally grow/manufacture cybernetic components like the Morphogenic Engine from Outlast makes peoples bodies assemble nanites. Noelle Clones aren't bald and have finger-nails so the cloning process can apparently produce any inorganic materials that the living tissues that it's cloning can.
...Since someone doesn't need to be a god to be the mother of a demigod, as demonstrated by the existence of demigods at all in the setting that his divine traits come from, it should be possible for Noelle's Shard to incubate a clone with divine heritage. It might not be able to synthesize divine heritage though.
SiegfriedisOP
Calamity Demon King of Time
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Shard: I don't want to lose these particles.
Reality: Then don't use them.
Shard: But I want to use them.
Reality: You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Shard: I don't understand.
Reality: [Cake is a Lie]
Shard: [Sadness]
SiegfriedisOP
Calamity Demon King of Time
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Gave Lord the first Red Envelope of the year bow before my ability to do meaningless internet things to aquire meaningless internet points.
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Unfortunately, I'm going to have to announce a delay for the next chapter. I've been swamped for the last couple of days with no sign of things letting up, so I won't be able to get the chapter ready in time. Sorry for the short notice of the delay, but I can assure you that I'll be working to get everything buttoned up and ready for next week.
SiegfriedisOP
Calamity Demon King of Time
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It's okay take your time.
No worries about the delay, and if anything, getting it before Wednesday (when we're waiting and eager) is just a plus!
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I'm sure no one will get too twitchy without their fix of this story, and a delay announcement the day before is appreciated.
TriviaFreak
Time of reluctance.
I'm already going through withdrawal,
ExploerTM
Ruin has found you at last!
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- Russia, Perm
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Ah here you are, was about to ask where is headdesk guy.
Oh well, guess I'll have to find something else to read.
...
This might take a while.
That's ok keep the grind going while taking your time. Don't burn yourself out for no one G. Live long and prosper (w)
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- The Temple of the Winds
Just thought of something, sorry if it's already been discussed in the previous thousand pages, but wouldn't it make more sense if Victoria was simply Sarah and Neil's daughter?
I mean from a Parahuman powers point of view, which was the basis of the "accusation" it makes more sense :
Glory Girl - Victoria - Flight + forcefields + superstrength + emotional aura
Lady Photon - Sarah - flight + forcefields
Manpower - Neil - electromagnetism superstrength
Flashbang - Mark - explosive light orbs
Brandish - Carol - hard light manipulation and incarnation
I can still see how this could have turned into a clusterfuck (ie: "someone" switches Carol's stillborn baby for Sarah's in the maternity ward)...
I mean from a Parahuman powers point of view, which was the basis of the "accusation" it makes more sense :
Glory Girl - Victoria - Flight + forcefields + superstrength + emotional aura
Lady Photon - Sarah - flight + forcefields
Manpower - Neil - electromagnetism superstrength
Flashbang - Mark - explosive light orbs
Brandish - Carol - hard light manipulation and incarnation
I can still see how this could have turned into a clusterfuck (ie: "someone" switches Carol's stillborn baby for Sarah's in the maternity ward)...
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- Philippines
Amy pointed out herself that Victoria is biologically her parents' daughter, not the result of Carol's cheating, when Joe told her about Neil's power being part of Vicky's power. However, as Joe rebutted - what's important isn't the biological relationship, otherwise Taylor would've never budded her shard on Aidan who was not related to her. Instead, what's important is the duration and intensity of emotion, to which as Neil's first interlude pointed out was that Neil's fear over Vicky potentially being his daughter and guilt that he even had to worry about it in the first place had led to his shard making that connection.
And even worse? If an emotional connection is crucial to the succession of powers, then why hadn't Neil's own children inherited a form of resistance or durability like Vicky had? From Weaver Dice, we know that this is because a specific emotion is necessary, and in Neil's case, it was fear and guilt. And it was only Vicky who was the focus of such negative emotions. But looking at it from the outside, only knowing that some form of emotional connection is needed and not the specifics, this would imply that Neil is somehow more emotionally connected to Vicky than his own children. Hence, Neil's new guilt now over this idea.
Neil is very messed up right now, and no one can say that it was undeserved.
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She won't second trigger, because second trigger need circonstances similar to the first one. And for her, it was the death of her father.
She will be in full sechen range through. That's gonna be one baaaaad day.
There's one thing lending credence to this theory: in the Worm jumpdoc that Lord used for Joe's perks, you can play a Shard.
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Aight
Good luck with your things mate
Brian didn't need Aisha around to have a Second Trigger though.
I've said it before, Joe is at the point where most of the cannon problems are only problems because he doesn't realize how he out scales all of them. Lord Roust clearly enjoys writing in the direction he is going and has shown no inclination to end things quickly, but realistically, at any point Joe could have an epiphany and realize he outclasses everything on the planet. My bet, or maybe my armchair author's opinion, is that utterly annihilating the S9, or trivializing leviathan will be what gets him to realize he is the biggest fish in the pond.
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Joe already does know that he's the 'biggest fish in the pond'. It's because he knows he's so powerful that he also knows that any action on his part will make big waves. He'd basically have to take over the world to smoothly fix everything, and he doesn't really want to do that. There's also the big chain reaction of setting a bunch of stuff off at once that he knows he'll have to deal with once it all starts, so he may as well take the quiet time before the storm to build up and do it all on his own terms. There's nothing particularly forcing him to act now, so why should he when waiting will get better results?
But most importantly, Joe is becoming more aware of the true threat of the setting; the Entities. Between his passenger's warnings (the whole reason he's keeping an eye on Taylor) to finding and exploring shardspace, to the Titan connection he just got. He knows the shards are way beyond even the endbringers. He's still working his way through Bakuda's code, though he's almost done, and that's just one part of one shard. Way back early on, his passenger even gave the impression that it wasn't sure even the full Forge would be enough. Now Joe has slowly come to realize that his passenger isn't the most reliable source of information, but it's still something he's likely to keep in mind.
Joe could absolutely assassinate Scion if he found the relevant information to do so. He could probably 'not lose' in a direct fight, that'll likely wipe out a good chunk of the multiverse if it goes bad, with just his fiat backed invincibility. He could probably even win depending on how much collateral he was willing to accept; he has things like Spiral that means he'll eventually scale even if the him at the start of the fight wasn't enough. But even if the Warrior is defeated, there'd still be the election process and all the broken shit that causes afterword.
So the longer Joe waits, the more he learns, and the more he can fix at once. The ideal would probably be assassinating Scion and subverting the shard network himself so he can safely dismantle it on his own time. Things like exploring shardspace and cracking Bakuda's code and maybe getting an idea on shard communications in general work toward that.