Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

I mean, from several WoG's, it's unlikely that Jack could even enter the Brockton Bay proper before Apeiron mobilizes the Celestial Forge against the S9. So while that's a cool idea, unless the Butcher actively goes for Jack somehow before Joe could mobilize and commits suicide on Jack Slash, it's kind of unlikely that they'll even encounter each other.
How much range does Jack Slash even have? Could he like... look at the Butcher through a spyglass from a ways away and attack her from there in order to become Butcher Fifteen?
 
How much range does Jack Slash even have? Could he like... look at the Butcher through a spyglass from a ways away and attack her from there in order to become Butcher Fifteen?
Considering LordRoustabout has implied that (as far as this fic goes anyway) Cauldron's hands-off policy is the result of Jack nudging Contessa's Path in a way that benefits the Slaughterhouse 9, I would think that distance is no issue considering Contessa is often in parallel Earths.

Edit: Oh you meant the knife range thing? Line of sight. In that case, the spyglass might just work.
 
At the very least, don't insult other people's reading skills just for misunderstanding you, especially when you worded things in such a way that implied Joe had no such defenses in the first place.
I stated the exact opposite. Read the full paragraph, or the one sentence of myself I quoted in my second comment. That's the reading comprehension problem I was pointing to.
 
Yes shake his organs, but that's it they would not be liquified or burst. Heck there might not be any internal bleeding only bruising. The impact might make his entire body feel bruised and completely sore, but like not even a second later his nanobots, lifefibers and any other form of healing factor renders all that superficial damage a moot point. His pain tolerance is probably ridiculous as an immediate of being hit by March's Sting. This power combo has made Steel Gorilla basically a better Gavel. While Gavel can only ever take a certain amount of damage at a single time and can still be hit by annihilation effects, he can still die. That's his maximum capacity of damage he can take. This power combo flips all this on its head. Apeiron can only ever take enough damage to be not broken. That's it. Once he hits a certain threshold of damage(probably right before he is considered damaged), he basically become undamageable, because he will never break.

You know, quoting Uber from Storage Yard Fight: "Healthbar. Only last hitpoint matters"

So more wild speculations about re-purposed and fixed L33t-tech?
 
He looked back at Joe and froze. It was that fucking pose. The strategy trance or power meditation or communing with the cosmos or whatever you wanted to fucking call it, and it was happening during their call. And it was big. Alec could see that. Whatever this was, it was a big one, which was about the last thing he wanted to deal with right now.

I've always loved how Alec in this story seems to have the perfect lines to point something out, even when he doesn't even quite realize it. Yes, that last is more like what Joe's powerups have been of late, you know, contacting an achronal intelligence spanning all of time and becoming one with part of the primordial forces that govern this world. Not even getting into the Reverse Side of the World some ages ago or making it to the Throne of Heroes. The Ultimate, if reluctant, Straight Man of the story.

The fact that he later twigs onto key points that make him realize that Joe removed the 'nigh' from 'nigh-invulnerable' only adds onto that. When the Slaughterhouse Stomp gets shown to all and sundry later, he's going to probably utter something like, "I was on a call with him when he got the power that let him tank the Siberian to the face and laugh like a madman". Thus prompting Lisa to lose more shit, Brian to lose more hair or have it go grey, and Rachel to be even more smug since she called him out as being strong ages (IRL time) ago.

So, the Legendary Anti-Sting defense is now complete. I wonder what other strange and interesting combinations of powers could pop up now that he can tank an omni-dimensional attack and only walk away with cosmetic damage and, in his words:

While it would have been awesome to weather a barrage of annihilator effects and come out unscathed, somehow it was even more badass to emerge covered in scuffs and surface damage but exactly as ready to kick ass.

I picture Joe coming out of that sort of thing with sweeping punting maneuvers to make sure to put boot to butt and ass to stratosphere.

EDIT: On review of the thread after, I noted the following:

Joe, after Armsthrift:
I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE!

Red Sun Over Paradise starts playing

You can't just say that and not drop the song.

View: https://youtu.be/jynTNYSKNuk


And I'm gonna update with the following to mash it all together into one glorious mess because I was enjoying the Max0r vid that dropped the same day this chapter did.


 
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Doesn't exactly matter with how Fashion works. Remember - whatever defensive property is on his equipment, it applies to the entirety of him. So something being heatproof means even his insides are heatproof, something being bulletproof means he is bulletproof, etc. If his entirety is "doesn't seem to ever break", then that means exactly what that says on the tin.
I think the question is not about invulnerability but immovability.
Jack: "wait, powers, plural ?"
Joe: "...you never realized you had a master power ? That's how your little group of murder hobos got away for so long"
Joe: "What, you thought it was because you're so clever?"
 
Honestly while this chapter was nice, I'm more excited for the coming therapy session with Doctor Campbell this evening, in-universe. Just imagine Dr. Campbell's surprise when Joe comes in, suddenly a lot more self-confident in himself and sure of what he could do and achieve, just mere days after their last meeting?
 
I think everyone is forgetting that an impact can still carry through a shield even if the sheild doesn't break. Of course, he has some pretty damn good materials and designs to work with at this point, but it should be noted that anything that could send him flying, while it might not break his skin, could possibly shake his organs around inside of his ribcage and skull, which isn't a hundred percent ideal.

Yes shake his organs, but that's it they would not be liquified or burst. Heck there might not be any internal bleeding only bruising. The impact might make his entire body feel bruised and completely sore, but like not even a second later his nanobots, lifefibers and any other form of healing factor renders all that superficial damage a moot point. His pain tolerance is probably ridiculous as an immediate of being hit by March's Sting. This power combo has made Steel Gorilla basically a better Gavel. While Gavel can only ever take a certain amount of damage at a single time and can still be hit by annihilation effects, he can still die. That's his maximum capacity of damage he can take. This power combo flips all this on its head. Apeiron can only ever take enough damage to be not broken. That's it. Once he hits a certain threshold of damage(probably right before he is considered damaged), he basically become undamageable, because he will never break.
 
So basically Remote Detonation mod from Doom cranked up all the way up to 111?
The user might need to replace the explosive charge in between uses...

...actually, he could already make fiat-backed reusable grenades with Reliable Invention. After all, detonating a grenade neither purposefully targets it nor uses it improperly, so his grenades were "completely resistant to damage caused by regular usage".
 
Joe uses Gradiation Air to make a magic sword of great power. Normally, it should be weaker in nearly every possible manner along with more happening over time till it is no more due to Gaia.

But now with that new perk, any weapon Joe Projects will more then likely no longer take any interference from Gaia and cannot be broken.

Gaia doesn't actively interfere with conventional projections in order to break them down. They evaporate because magical energy is inherently insubstantial and can't be physically 'sculpted' like clay into stable constructs to begin with.

(Conversely, note that Shirou's esoteric style of projection - the way he falsifies a complete history for everything he creates - already produces permanent constructs. He's still not taken seriously as a route to recreating the First, presumably because he still has to pay the tolls of equivalent exchange and because the First encompasses everything, not just weaponry.)
 
Gaia doesn't actively interfere with conventional projections in order to break them down. They evaporate because magical energy is inherently insubstantial and can't be physically 'sculpted' like clay into stable constructs to begin with.

(Conversely, note that Shirou's esoteric style of projection - the way he falsifies a complete history for everything he creates - already produces permanent constructs. He's still not taken seriously as a route to recreating the First, presumably because he still has to pay the tolls of equivalent exchange and because the First encompasses everything, not just weaponry.)
I will admit to my mistake about that. Due to reading so much Fate franchise fanfiction along with Type-Moon being a franchise that pretty much goes "here's the rules and they are very strict. Except for this person who does something to violate them and get away with it."

But we can possibly agree that Joe can do a better Job at using Gradiation Air then Shirou/EMIYA with more creativity when it comes to weapons and Armsthrift is just going to improve them even more. And it does seem to be a underused skill set that Joe has rarely used but then again so many of the things Joe can use seem be that way for now.

Now this is making me wonder how people in the Nasuverse, including Arcuied, the Dead Apostle Ancestors, Church, and different Mage Associations, would react to Joe and the current state of the Celestial Forge.
 
I utterly love how complete and utter invincibility comes not from some fancy shmancy uber-powerful Jump, but from fucking Fire Emblem, a setting where the main characters cap off at city-block level at most.
uh, dood. Fire Emblem characters regularly go toe-to-oversized-demon/dragon-foot every game. Armsthrift comes from Awakening where the PC can kill a future demondragon version of themself. What do you mean "city-block level at most"?
 
any other form of healing factor renders all that superficial damage a moot point.
A quick reminder that his internals have been at that point for a while. Life fibres are just that whack. Other hybrids have shown the durability to withstand having their heart ripped out of their chest, being impaled through the chest and crucified, and being beheaded.

It's just before there was no stopping the annihilator in the first place.
 
I'm curious what's stopping Joe from making a bunch of triumvirate-level robots? I mean, maybe at this point it would be a little redundant. But I'm sure an army of robots with the power of the most powerful capes in the world plus invulnerability would be at least a little helpful against Zion.
 
On its own it would have been of minor use. Some reassurance about my equipment and more options for construction materials. But it wasn't on its own. None of my powers were on their own.

The absolute effect of Armsthrift only applied to weapons, but I had my Variable Weapon, a lantern shield, and my Combat Boots. Both were weapons as well as defensive items. And I had Fashion, my first power after receiving the Workshop, which applied the protective properties of my defensive items to my body and clothing. My lantern shield and boots were defensive items. Armsthrift was a protective property. As long as I was wearing either, it was impossible for me to break.
Why even point these out? Correct me if i'm wrong but Hindu Cyborg Godsbody has essentially made Joe's body a weapon which means he's just flat out invulnerable.
 
[Annihilator effect slams Into Joe, the surrounding villians holding their breath as they watch tossed how much Damage he suffered]

Joe: Waves smoke aside
"Damn, that actually scuffed my boots. Can I try now?"

Everyone else: Fear™️
Holy shit the faces of the Empire, and Damsel, when their Anti Apeiron Cape doesnt do what was brought to do, and who they painstakingly please so she stays. They did nazi this coming
 
Considering how the Siberian pops like a bubble the moment she comes into contact with anything that disrupts her (like Clockblocker's effect, Sting and other All or Nothing attacks) it's quite likely that just touching Apeiron would inadvertently disrupt her form. She'll immediately reform soon after, true, but that'll be enough for Survey to immediately track Manton down and one apparation later...
Would Joe disrupt her though? He's still got a bit of 'give', and I don't think the effect would immediately pierce Sib. He's not an Unstoppable Force, or a fully Immovable Object after all.
 
I'm curious what's stopping Joe from making a bunch of triumvirate-level robots? I mean, maybe at this point it would be a little redundant. But I'm sure an army of robots with the power of the most powerful capes in the world plus invulnerability would be at least a little helpful against Zion.
What do you think Fleet and Survey are? Plus he can just upgrade Titanfall ones.
 
What do you think Fleet and Survey are? Plus he can just upgrade Titanfall ones.
Besides, Joe can literally outfit a normal person (Chen) to be capable of fighting at the level of the Protectorate's A-list capes, and he could train a Parahuman without a directly offensive power (Aisha) into a superpower capable of defeating the Triumvirate at their strongest. And that's before a lot of the recent perks. That's certainly better than whatever Cauldron could do anyhow.
 
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