Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

@LordRoustabout I'm looking over the Zoids Legacy jump for my own Forge-related stuff, and I was wondering if you looked at the literal free cache of data on the Small-sized Zoids listed in the jumpdoc. Did you purposely ignore that to not swamp Joe with a ton of blueprints, or was it just missed?
There's also a one-off question I remember someone else having but never got a response - one of the Perks Joe got in the past had a free perk attached for Companions that gave them a human form. Specifically, the same perk that gave Joe his Shadow affinity. Doesn't that mean that Tybalt should be able to turn human at will?
 
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Once again, just a quick thanks to everyone who helped with proofing or wrote omakes, with a few replies as well.
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Yeah, speaking of that telepathy… why is Joe still talking to himself like this? It's not even a comfort habit thing, because he's now in constant permanent connection. Rather than needing to be told this stuff in dialogue, it should all be internal thought- because he already knows everything they have to tell him and are thinking. And even if he doesn't because it might not be instant information transference, he still doesn't need them to be physically present to report.

It is my opinion: Do away finally with the clone self-talks and summarize.

I dunno what's going on there, but:
nigh-unbreakable

If you can't kill someone with farm equipment then you aren't trying hard enough.
Thank you, corrected.

Joe's baseline telepathy is fairly weak. It can just about manage to sense brain activity, like he did with the Butcher in Somer's Rock. It improved with training thanks to the Fiat effects from the F.E.A.R. jump, but that takes a lot of time to start showing results. The telepathy from Whispered is a completely different beast. It requires an Omni-Sphere and uses the Tau wave as a medium for carrying a Whispered consciousness. The connection is a lot deeper than normal telepathy, almost being a blending of minds. Joe could use it to provide project updates, but it's kind of intense for that kind of thing. The duplicates are saving if for the end of their durations so they can transfer experiences to Joe, letting him get the benefit of their work and the skills they developed. They aren't close to the point where every thought is instantly transferred, and even then Joe likes to maintain normal patterns of interaction. He'll normally run electronic connections in parallel to normal speech, allowing information to be transferred and reviewed in support of what is being said, rather than instead of it.
You accidentally ended the sentence with a ')' here.

I love how you're short updates are longer than some people's whole stories!

I also hope he doesn't get stuck in an infinite upgrade loop as he constantly replaces his own body parts with something infinitely stronger... Or maybe I want the opposite?

Either way, thanks for the update!
Thank you, corrected.

Joe has Feel It Out, which basically means he is living in an infinite upgrade loop. Any object he touches his power breaks down in terms of function and potential, eventually providing information on how to improve it. The more advanced it is the longer it takes to fully deconstruct and this further drags out if Joe isn't actively concentrating on it, but all of his implants are constantly being analyzed by his power to find ways they can be improved. It happens with everything Joe touches, which actually helps he avoid getting trapped in they cycle of constant improvements. Nothing will ever be perfect because he will always be able to find a way to improve it. Instead of the impossible task of trying to make everything the best it can be he focused on items that have the potential for significant benefits when improved.
Thank you, corrected.
It's been a while since I posted an omake, let's correct that.

This was inspired by a similar omake on another story, and I realized it could work here too.

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The Great Creator
Thanks for the omake.
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Thanks for the PHO omakes. Always great to see these come together.

I remembered someone had asked about canon PHO omakes. While many of these have been phenomenal, there is usually at least a couple of points that jump out as not quite fitting into the story. The creativity on display is great to see, so I never want to go in policing details on works people have devoted themselves to. However, there is one PHO topic that I'd like to suggest that I am prepared to canonize.

Through the story there have been numerous references to the series Avalon: Web of Magic as a replacement for the Nasuverse (which would not exist on Earth Bet due to the collapse of Japan). The rough idea was that the series Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders was much bigger on Earth Bet, leading to its sequel series Avalon: Web of Magic becoming a long-running animated series rather than a series of young adult novels. The project was handed to Kinoko Nasu who basically turned it into Fate with the serial numbers filed off. The production team included a lot of Japanese animators who had immigrated to America. They were throwing everything they had at the project to try to make a name for themselves, leading to a high quality and massively popular series.

The idea for the PHO thread is that, after learning the origin of Joe's powers, Survey post a question on the PHO media section asking about the magic system of Avalon: Web of Magic, since it's is about as difficult to understand as Fate's is. Her intention is to learn more about Joe's abilities, but the thread quickly devolves into the kind of discussion you would find on any Fate board.

Basically, what I'm proposing is a reader-driven project to plot out the details of this story's version of Fate, which I'm prepared to treat as canon within the context of this fic. I think the medium of a forum argument would be a fun way of filling out those details.

The only thing I ask is that the suggested details fall in line with what had already been established in the story, and that they be reasonable for the work in question. The series would have run on cable on Saturday nights, so would have been less restricted than a lot of other children's shows. It would have been known for pushing the boundaries of Standards and Practices on occasions, but everything would still have needed to be fit for US broadcast.

The broad summary of the details of the show, as established so far in the story and WoG posts:
The series followed from Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders with Kinoko Nasu making several massive retcons:
-All the magic jewels in the original series (including the Sun Stone, the Heart Stone, and the Moon Stone) trace their origin to Kischur Zelretch.
-Princess Gwenevere was revealed to be a True Ancestor (His way of backdooring in a version of Arcueid Brunestud)
-Tamara was actually a homunculus
-Fallon (Aisha's favorite character) was killed by an Irish Lancer and later became a counter-guradian before being summoned as a servant
The characters from Web of Magic (Emily Fletcher, Adriane Charday, and Kara Davies) were used as stand-ins for Fate characters Nasu had already planned out (Rin Tohsaka, Sakura Matou, Illyasviel von Einzbern).
Shirou Emiya's character still existed relatively intact in personality and abilities, but with the name changed to Shawn Emiya (Causing Nasu to die a little inside). You also had an Archer equivalent.
Artoria was included with largely the same abilities, origin, and characterization.
Gilgamesh was also present as an antagonist in the series.
The Grail war existed as a major plot in the series, though Masters were referred to as Summoners and Servants were called Heroic Spirits.
Servants still had skills and abilities with letter ranks.
At least one film for Web of Magic: Apocrypha was released.
Web of Magic: Extra existed as a gacha mobile game with different plots (conflicting) depending on the region it was released in.

I'm not sure if PHO Blacksmithery is the best place for an idea like this, or if it's better to start it in a new thread. Mostly I'm suggesting it as a fun side project for anyone interested in filling the absurdities of Earth Bet's version of the Nasuverse through the context of a forum argument (I feel like I should make some comment about this being the natural habitat of Fate discussions) with one of Survey's alternate PHO handles as the original poster desperately trying to get the discussion back on the original topic of the magic system. Probably the best thing is that with all the alternate versions, side media, video games, and regional differences, basically anything suggested can be considered canon somewhere in the lore. Even so, if consistent plot and character elements do come out of this, I'd be happy to canonize them and even include some of them in the story.
 
The telepathy from Whispered is a completely different beast. It requires an Omni-Sphere and uses the Tau wave as a medium for carrying a Whispered consciousness. The connection is a lot deeper than normal telepathy, almost being a blending of minds. Joe could use it to provide project updates, but it's kind of intense for that kind of thing. The duplicates are saving if for the end of their durations so they can transfer experiences to Joe, letting him get the benefit of their work and the skills they developed.
Thank you for the explanation.
 
Joe's baseline telepathy is fairly weak. It can just about manage to sense brain activity, like he did with the Butcher in Somer's Rock. It improved with training thanks to the Fiat effects from the F.E.A.R. jump, but that takes a lot of time to start showing results. The telepathy from Whispered is a completely different beast. It requires an Omni-Sphere and uses the Tau wave as a medium for carrying a Whispered consciousness. The connection is a lot deeper than normal telepathy, almost being a blending of minds. Joe could use it to provide project updates, but it's kind of intense for that kind of thing. The duplicates are saving if for the end of their durations so they can transfer experiences to Joe, letting him get the benefit of their work and the skills they developed. They aren't close to the point where every thought is instantly transferred, and even then Joe likes to maintain normal patterns of interaction. He'll normally run electronic connections in parallel to normal speech, allowing information to be transferred and reviewed in support of what is being said, rather than instead of it.
Since the Tau field is achronal, won't he also be able to communicate with past (and possibly future) iterations of the clones?
 
So, uh, a small local nanomachine upgrade/construction swarm in his body would be able to constantly upgrade his internals (cybernetics or organics) and itself perpetually, given (and perhaps even not given) appropriate raw materials . . .
 
So, uh, a small local nanomachine upgrade/construction swarm in his body would be able to constantly upgrade his internals (cybernetics or organics) and itself perpetually, given (and perhaps even not given) appropriate raw materials . . .
Joe has Manufacturing Line from Valkyria Chronicles, a Workaholic-style effect that applies to any production he oversees, so materials shouldn't be a problem. He could just direct a nanite reservoir to dupe any materials he has a sample of for the upgrades.
 
So, uh, a small local nanomachine upgrade/construction swarm in his body would be able to constantly upgrade his internals (cybernetics or organics) and itself perpetually, given (and perhaps even not given) appropriate raw materials . . .

Well he probably could do that. Though why would he I'm fairly certain he can do it better and faster himself instead of relying
on nanomachines
 
Well yeah but this allows him to not dedicate effort and thought to it. It will take care of itself.
That would just leave Joe's body riddled with subpar upgrades and Feel It Out always on the fritz analysing new pieces of tech.

That kind of solution to a problem that doesn't exist. If Joe going to upgrade his body, why NOT dedicate effort and though to it?
 
That would just leave Joe's body riddled with subpar upgrades and Feel It Out always on the fritz analysing new pieces of tech.

That kind of solution to a problem that doesn't exist. If Joe going to upgrade his body, why NOT dedicate effort and though to it?
The nanoswarm wouldn't REPLACE manual upgrades, it would supplement them. Like, if we get an extended chain of scenes outside of the workshop (lol) and suddenly one of the implants is relevant, it might have a small bonus at use-time compared to the baseline value it was last left at after dedicated upgrading. It's a minor, constant source of bonuses; a cushion if for whatever reason the need for an internal device comes up before an opportunity to poke at it by hand does.

Also, sub-par? If the nanoswarm is self upgrading then there would be nothing sub-par about it. I have no idea how fast it would work but I don't see it doing mediocre work. His brain would, on some level, be subconsciously involved after all.
 
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The nanoswarm wouldn't REPLACE manual upgrades, it would supplement them. Like, if we get an extended chain of scenes outside of the workshop (lol) and suddenly one of the implants is relevant, it might have a small bonus at use-time compared to the baseline value it was last left at after dedicated upgrading. It's a minor, constant source of bonuses; a cushion if for whatever reason the need for an internal device comes up before an opportunity to poke at it by hand does.
If that happens, Joe can just use Counter Forge and instantly upgrade on the field, with the benefit of all of his quality perks.

Also, yes subpar. The fact that anything nanobots can do can't get even close to Joe's work with "Master craftsman" alone is kind of a big thing. The Matrix has most of their character build around it.

Always dedicating Feel It Out and part of The Matrix's processing power (The Matrix would not accept anything different) to the constant of upgrades, that will be overshadowed in less time than a moment, is just unnecessary.
 
Also, sub-par? If the nanoswarm is self upgrading then there would be nothing sub-par about it. I have no idea how fast it would work but I don't see it doing mediocre work. His brain would, on some level, be subconsciously involved after all.
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Due to Joe's demigod heritage sheer raw talent and skill and then supplemented by the massive amounts of perks he has any work that isn't done by Joe would be considered sub-par and frankly pathetic in comparison to Joe himself
 
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Now take that capability of EMIYA and improve the power in the weapon, expand on what he can make, along with the sheer potential thanks to everything Joe has and you got a what Counter Forge can do.
Feels like people are focusing too much on Counter Forge and not enough on what it came from.

Survey: Scion is attacking!
Joe: You, seven heavens clad in three words of power, arrive from the ring of deterrence, O keeper of the balance
Heroic spirit Khepri: Somebody called? Oh? OH!!! Are all those murder bugs for me?! Squee!!!
... 10 minutes later ...
Scion: [MERCY]
Heroic spirit Khepri: Where do you think you are going? I'm not done testing these beauties yet!

P.S.
Alexandria: You know, Contessa, I never though I would want to kill Scion out of pity.
Contessa: I'm afraid we have no time for pity.
Alexandria: Why? Is Scion going to do something?
Contessa: No, but master of those facehuggers has a bone to pick with us, so I suggest we run. Now!
Aisha: Joe, Why did you make freaking self-reproducing, body-jacking, power-stealing crystalline facehuggers?!!!
Joe: Duplicates thought they were being funny.
Aisha: -_- That's because you were just disappointed by that film, isn't it? You were complaining for a whole day that general unnaturalness ruined the 'scary' factor for you.
Joe: They might have been made by a batch of duplicates right after we watched 'alien vs predator'.
Aisha: Do I want to know where the 'predator' is?
Joe: No.

Since the Tau field is achronal, won't he also be able to communicate with past (and possibly future) iterations of the clones?
It's still a 'finite' field. So it's supposed to have limits, one of such limits likely is dissipation. The further into the past/future you look the more the field gets dissipated thus you can't look far. Or some other kind of limit... With Joe's 'weak' field he likely have no strength to look far into the past or future on his own.

I would even say that Gray Boy loops would be ideal for basing protective measures off of; they preserve memories between loops
That's assuming Gray Boy's loops are actually temporal in nature and not just a 'backup' specialized agent/shard flexing out his 'incremental partial backups' feature. Both decoloration and memory retention indicate that this is unlikely to be temporal in nature.
 
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That's assuming Gray Boy's loops are actually temporal in nature and not just a 'backup' specialized agent/shard flexing out his 'incremental partial backups' feature. Both decoloration and memory retention indicate that this is unlikely to be temporal in nature.
To the best of my knowledge a Shard would give up on that sort of persistent effort even without their Host biting it; it's got to be a different kind of effect from ones like Alabasters or Oni-Lees Shards.
 
That's assuming Gray Boy's loops are actually temporal in nature and not just a 'backup' specialized agent/shard flexing out his 'incremental partial backups' feature. Both decoloration and memory retention indicate that this is unlikely to be temporal in nature.

"A shard flared to life, and the entity saw an effect take hold around it. It reached out and found a barrier it could not penetrate... Its hand was moved back to the previous position. It was caught in a sinkhole of distorted time. Over and over again, it moved in a steady loop."

-Scion, Interlude 26
 
It's still a 'finite' field. So it's supposed to have limits, one of such limits likely is dissipation. The further into the past/future you look the more the field gets dissipated thus you can't look far. Or some other kind of limit... With Joe's 'weak' field he likely have no strength to look far into the past or future on his own.
Being the same person probably has other effects than making personality bleed a non-issue though.
 
Feels like people are focusing too much on Counter Forge and not enough on what it came from.

Survey: Scion is attacking!
Joe: You, seven heavens clad in three words of power, arrive from the ring of deterrence, O keeper of the balance
Heroic spirit Khepri: Somebody called? Oh? OH!!! Are all those murder bugs for me?! Squee!!!
... 10 minutes later ...
Scion: [MERCY]
Heroic spirit Khepri: Where do you think you are going? I'm not done testing these beauties yet!

P.S.
Alexandria: You know, Contessa, I never though I would want to kill Scion out of pity.
Contessa: I'm afraid we have no time for pity.
Alexandria: Why? Is Scion going to do something?
Contessa: No, but master of those facehuggers has a bone to pick with us, so I suggest we run. Now!
Aisha: Joe, Why did you make freaking self-reproducing, body-jacking, power-stealing crystalline facehuggers?!!!
Joe: Duplicates thought they were being funny.
Aisha: -_- That's because you were just disappointed by that film, isn't it? You were complaining for a whole day that general unnaturalness ruined the 'scary' factor for you.
Joe: They might have been made by a batch of duplicates right after we watched 'alien vs predator'.
Aisha: Do I want to know where the 'predator' is?
Joe: No.


It's still a 'finite' field. So it's supposed to have limits, one of such limits likely is dissipation. The further into the past/future you look the more the field gets dissipated thus you can't look far. Or some other kind of limit... With Joe's 'weak' field he likely have no strength to look far into the past or future on his own.


That's assuming Gray Boy's loops are actually temporal in nature and not just a 'backup' specialized agent/shard flexing out his 'incremental partial backups' feature. Both decoloration and memory retention indicate that this is unlikely to be temporal in nature.
.... Aisha is the predator isn't she?
 
(I feel like I should make some comment about this being the natural habitat of Fate discussions)
Oh god, those are worse than COVID, they infect every forum, and thread, there was a morality in fiction discussion and we lost like, 20 pages to a character growth vs inherent morality in Fate that only tangentially touched the thread subject.

The only good thing about fate are the crazy fighting games (cue the deathsquads)
 
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Commentary from Joe and Survey (and anyone else) for any book from Elminster, specially from the appendix that the Library would add, would be great, Elminster alone deserves an appendix larger than the British Encyclopaedia... A cool book to be read would be Travels Along the Sword Coast, (Commentary ).
 
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