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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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dragon_cloud16 said:
I can agree about samples of power usage of temporal based parahuman abilities to study. Would be a help when it came to removing Grey Boy's mark on the world. Plus time stop would be glorious even if all he can do at first is Kamen Rider Kabuto's Clock Up.
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Specifically temporal reversion would be the most valuable. I would even say that Gray Boy loops would be ideal for basing protective measures off of; they preserve memories between loops, which already sets them above examples like Perdition, so you'd just need to keep a floating loop ready to continuously revert to a few moments ago in the event of a disaster. That and probably teleport out or freeze time for either the target or in a shell around them or put memories into storage instead of the next loop to prevent it from being used as a torture device.

Other good examples of restoration-type Parahuman abilities include those of Alabaster, Epoch, and Keelee.
dragon_cloud16 said:
And the thing about Imulsion is while some Tinkers could use it, such as Blasto, it is still technically a hazardous material known for causing mutations like the T-Virus does.

Some people would love to have it while others would abuse it and screw over quite a few people. So personally, I say keep it locked up.
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Yeah but just as likely there would be other things that Tinkers could use to achieve a similar effect.
Slentoru said:
basically white noise
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Joes Workshop can access any door it has previously been opened from, has Fiat-Backed internet and intranet connections, and he's got portal-generation technology with enough range to open a portal to anywhere on earth, multiple earths even, from any other point on earth; Joe can let anyone he wants into the Warehouse, automatically, from anywhere on earth, and several places off of it, upon the slightest request.

A Key prevents Fiat-backed measures, but not manually installed measures, of access-prevention from effecting a Holder of it. Joe has a number of manually installed measures against access to his Warehouse.

Finally I can acknowledge that you do not believe that a Fiat-backed object retrieval effect can be used to retrieve parts of a person vital to their revival by revival effects. I do not consider that belief worth addressing.
 
Honestly at this point, it's pretty clear that we're heading nowhere. Let's just drop the subject and revisit it if ever LordRoustabout deigns to give us some more WoG on it.
 
best DnD items for the celestial forge:


Apeiron: hammer of the weaponsmith, sovereign glue, universal solvent, Oil of sliperiness, Augmenting whetstone, Unbreaking arrow, magic tattoo set,


Garment:Garnets of damage tripling, 7 Shandon stones of ironguard, cloak of many fashions


Aisha: rabbit's foot, magical Carnelian bead bracelet, Ring of spellbattle


Survey: Gem of insight, Amulet of protection from alignment change, Stone of Golorr


Fleet: boots of speed, boots of mending, a ring of Aerial acceleration


Matrix: garnet of damage doubling, somatic cables, Clockwork Amulet


Tetra: Bowl of Blood, Blood fury Tattoo, insignia of the claw, dragon blood vial


Tybalt: Candle of propitiousness, Heward's handy spice pouch, Ring of battle


Titans: Gauntlets of excavation, somatic cables, Alchemical atomizer


Servo Skulls: Smoky quartz magical dip, Book of Final Breath, Mimir


Uppercrust: Tchazar paper weight of blocking scrying
 
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
I wonder if he could legally adopt Alec and Rachel, since they have no parental figures and are only 15...
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No way. At the moment, Joe is a jobless college drop out without a penny to his name. Alec is a legal nonentity in the best case and a wanted criminal in the worst. Rachel is a wanted criminal without a doubt. The only way for these two to have anything legally is new clean IDs, and it does not fix Joe's "a bit better than homeless" legal situation.

Utterly Depraved said:
Joes Workshop can access any door it has previously been opened from, has Fiat-Backed internet and intranet connections, and he's got portal-generation technology with enough range to open a portal to anywhere on earth, multiple earths even, from any other point on earth; Joe can let anyone he wants into the Warehouse, automatically, from anywhere on earth, and several places off of it, upon the slightest request.
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Yes, Joe can do this, it does not address the argument of Key's functionality being wasted.

Utterly Depraved said:
A Key prevents Fiat-backed measures, but not manually installed measures, of access-prevention from effecting a Holder of it. Joe has a number of manually installed measures against access to his Warehouse.
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Yes, he has them. It's quite obvious. Still does not address the fact that giving access just to take it away is a waste.

Utterly Depraved said:
Finally I can acknowledge that you do not believe that a Fiat-backed object retrieval effect can be used to retrieve parts of a person vital to their revival by revival effects. I do not consider that belief worth addressing.
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Because you can't. Because nothing supports your belief in Key's retrieval and revival effects. So you ignore arguments that call them out, as if you're afraid of your "better idea" being utterly depraved of foundation.

Hahahaha, okay, I will be honest, I joined this conversation partly to make "Utterly Depraved" jokes. Wanted to do this since I saw that nick. Now that I made a couple and achieved at least one goal (with other being checked as "Utter Failure"), I can rest my punny heart.
 
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Slentoru said:
Yes, Joe can do this, it does not address the argument of Key's functionality being wasted.
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Its functionality is to teleport back to Joe upon the death of its assigned Holder; the only functionality beyond that that isn't redundant is to open portals to the Warehouse, given access to a doorway, beyond the range of Joes portal technology.

Relatedly Joe should modify the Keys to be able to produce doorways for themselves to effect; it'd be redundant but I feel that the feature would make them more complete.
Slentoru said:
Yes, he has them. It's quite obvious. Still does not address the fact that giving access just to take it away is a waste.
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It being a waste is dependent upon it reducing the amount of people that Joe can grant access to. Joe can remotely grant access to anyone and anything on the face of the earth from anywhere else on earth.
Slentoru said:
Because you can't. Because nothing supports your belief in Key's retrieval and revival effects. So you ignore arguments that call them out, as if you're afraid of your "better idea" being utterly depraved of foundation.

Hahahaha, okay, I will be honest, I joined this conversation partly to make "Utterly Depraved" jokes. Wanted to do this since I saw that nick. Now that I made a couple and achieved at least one goal (with other being checked as "Utter Failure"), I can rest my punny heart.
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Joe has historically been able to modify Perk-granted objects and you're lucky that the Mods on this site don't accept rule violation reports about a person from someone who's replying to them/they're replying to.
 
Well how about this for a topic considering everything Joe has access to right now.

How could the Celestial Forge team defeat a Endbringer without actually killing it?

Because all information available from the source material says that killing a Endbringer would activate more. Combine that with whole thing involving Joe's "Shard" pretty much saying 'NO! BAD IDEA!' when it comes to lethal measures for them.

Going back to Utterly Depraved's idea of Temporal Powers for example, by studying Clockblocker's power it should be possible to "lock" one in a prison of stopped time.

Throwing them outside of the combat area by use of Joe's Mantra Weapon could be a thing as well. Although doing that to Behemoth is not the best idea.
 
dragon_cloud16 said:
Well how about this for a topic considering everything Joe has access to right now.

How could the Celestial Forge team defeat a Endbringer without actually killing it?

Because all information available from the source material says that killing a Endbringer would activate more. Combine that with whole thing involving Joe's "Shard" pretty much saying 'NO! BAD IDEA!' when it comes to lethal measures for them.

Going back to Utterly Depraved's idea of Temporal Powers for example, by studying Clockblocker's power it should be possible to "lock" one in a prison of stopped time.

Throwing them outside of the combat area by use of Joe's Mantra Weapon could be a thing as well. Although doing that to Behemoth is not the best idea.
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The other canon method of extra Endbringers activating is when they get too easy to hold off. Either the Endbringer kicks things up a notch and starts sandbagging slightly less, e.g. introducing new tactics or abilities it didn't use before, or a new Endbringer appears.

That is, after all, how Leviathan and Ziz were each deployed: Leviathan to change the combat environment and associated tactics, and Ziz to introduce a more intellectual threat rather than just "Raargh! Triumvirate Smash!".

Pretty sure that trapping an Endbringer in a Stasis Bubble (Clockblocker or Gray Boy style) would just result in a new Endbringer.

Probably Khonsu. Who, after establishing his ability to control/manipulate time in the first couple of attacks, would likely show up near the trapped Endbringer, and make it very obvious that his intent was to liberate his sibling.
 
Chronocidal said:
The other canon method of extra Endbringers activating is when they get too easy to hold off. Either the Endbringer kicks things up a notch and starts sandbagging slightly less, e.g. introducing new tactics or abilities it didn't use before, or a new Endbringer appears.

That is, after all, how Leviathan and Ziz were each deployed: Leviathan to change the combat environment and associated tactics, and Ziz to introduce a more intellectual threat rather than just "Raargh! Triumvirate Smash!".

Pretty sure that trapping an Endbringer in a Stasis Bubble (Clockblocker or Gray Boy style) would just result in a new Endbringer.

Probably Khonsu. Who, after establishing his ability to control/manipulate time in the first couple of attacks, would likely show up near the trapped Endbringer, and make it very obvious that his intent was to liberate his sibling.
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Well the thing about that is that Earth Bet is already running out of time.

Khonsu shows up Janurary 2012 along with Tohu and Bohu in October of the same year. At least according to the Wiki. And according to that, they are following a corrupted programing based on what Eden planned for them.
 
Utterly Depraved said:
you're lucky that the Mods on this site don't accept rule violation reports about a person from someone who's replying to them/they're replying to
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How petty... The name strikes true, I guess.

dragon_cloud16 said:
How could the Celestial Forge team defeat a Endbringer without actually killing it?
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Depends on defeat conditions, really.

As an example, with canon BB Vs. Leviathan fight, to defeat Levi not letting him close to the Bay would be enough. Can be done with a bunch of water element infused weapons to overpower all of Levi's hidrokinesis types (WoG is, Joe is capable of it from the point of getting "Infusionist"). After that, just punch it with immaculately controlled waves and his water after image until he decides that it's not worth it and flees. Saying: "Why are you hitting yourself?" - repeatedly is optional.

With any Behemoth fight, scenario would be similar, and I have a sneaking suspicion that Ziz will try to flee the moment she gets blinded. Coincidently, Ziz is probably one of the Endbringer Joe would try to kill, and damn the consequences. So that fight might turn into a wild Ziz chase.

Defeating Endbringer really not that impossible - making so their current goal not worth energy it would take should be enough. The difficulty is changed depending on goal and Endy in question, but none of present trio is impossible. Plenty sure in canon it was done a couple of times against Big B. With great losses, but it was done. Apeiron just capable of doing it with ease. Not really a good thing, as Chronocidal said, it will just bring in more heat, without dealing with a problem. So Joe would either have to act a struggle, or just kill the bastards and be done with it.

Also, there is a chance that Endbringer might consider achieving its goal worth using all of its energy. Like, if Behemoth really wants to destroy New Delhi, then all Apeiron will be left to do is destroy Behemoth before it lights a new galaxy on Earth.

Actually, about energy - do Endbringers draw from the same well as Eidolon? Or do they have reservoirs of their own? That's pretty important to judge how much they have left, considering Eidolon is running on fumes.
 
Slentoru said:
No way. At the moment, Joe is a jobless college drop out without a penny to his name. Alec is a legal nonentity in the best case and a wanted criminal in the worst. Rachel is a wanted criminal without a doubt. The only way for these two to have anything legally is new clean IDs, and it does not fix Joe's "a bit better than homeless" legal situation.
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I mean, if Alec and Rachel could get clean new IDs, then Joe obviously could too? And wheels will be greased as Joe starts working more closely with established groups like Uppercrust''s Elite, deals with network monitors like Dragon, &c. He's got a lot of soft power coming in already.

All of that said, I simply don't think Joe would take the steps to personally adopt them. Make arrangements for them through his expanding array of contacts, maybe, but not personally become their guardian.

(Really, there's a world of difference, emotionally speaking, between "the guy who goes to bat for you and saves your ass from the fire like the dumb teenagers you are" and "the guy who has the legal authority to decide where you go to school and when your doctors' appointments are".)
 
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Slentoru said:
Actually, about energy - do Endbringers draw from the same well as Eidolon? Or do they have reservoirs of their own? That's pretty important to judge how much they have left, considering Eidolon is running on fumes.
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I just checked the Wiki about that, primarily since it had never been brought up by Wildbow in story, but it does seem that they have a finite amount of energy.

They have to conserve their energy to last the full 300 year Cycle that was planned.

So if anything it could be treated as a battle of attrition to defeat them by letting them run out of power so early. Not to say that they couldn't be killed because most of the information about them came later.

Plus there is still the fanon theory that has little support from Wildbow about Eidlion having a hand in their activation as well as appearance. Which is something Joe could in theory work with as well.

And great, now I have the image of Survey commenting on that now leading to Apeiron using Counter Forge to make something to attempt limit Eidolion's connection to them.
 
honestly the counter forge have to be the most broken ability he has since it synergizes with so many others of his powers and it's literally made to make a weapon able to counter whoever he currently faces during active combat. C F With the norse mythology dwarf perk alone makes him scary add on all the other perks that makes whatever he creates so much better when the base is things like Mjolnir and gungnir BS he basically can go to an endbringer battle in standard gear scan the bastard for like 10 seconds, counter forge and win with the weapon created
 
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Tackyseven said:
honestly the counter forge have to be the most broken ability he has since it synergizes with so many others of his powers and it's literally made to make a weapon able to counter whoever he currently faces during active combat. C F With the norse mythology dwarf perk alone makes him scary add on all the other perks that makes whatever he creates so much better when the base is things like Mjolnir and gungnir BS he basically can go to an endbringer battle in standard gear scan the bastard for like 10 seconds, counter forge and win with the weapon created
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Why do you think Servants with similar abilities are so dangerous?

Gilgamesh was able to take out Heracles by shooting him with the Gate of Bablyon while the Berserker was kept in place with Enkidu.

EMIYA has the ability, with the proper master for energy needs, to casually snipe people with swords packing the power of a missile from 3 km.

Heck, there is a fanmade Servant that is a mix of Illya and Shirou that's Noble Phantasm is making a replica of the enemies to negate it with a special bow sealed into a bracer. Sword Dancer was where that was from.

Now take that capability of EMIYA and improve the power in the weapon, expand on what he can make, along with the sheer potential thanks to everything Joe has and you got a what Counter Forge can do. All he needs is more practice on making such weapons and tools.
 
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    ♦ Topic: The Shippening commences!
    In: Boards ► ► Places ► America ► Brockton Bay
    ALoneMadRhino     (Original Poster) (Verified Rhino)
    Posted On Apr 22nd 2011:
    So, after the horror that occurred last night, I think we all need some levity here. So you know what? I think it's time we make that levity for ourselves by doing what we always do.

    No, it's not rampant speculation over abilities and powers, nor is it the fawning over the strength of our soon to be Mad Tinker Overlord or the beauty of Garment's Garments, and while it does bear some similarities to Cape Fic, we're instead going to be speculating about the personal and potential love lives of the newest capes in the Bay, Garment and Apeiron! Because that's what we denizens of the internet like doing!

    So come one, come all! Place your bets, pick your pairings and let the speculation over who in the Bay these 2 new capes would pair best with commence!

    Edit: Just a reminder, keep the shipping above the line, please. So avoid shipping minors unless you want a visit from a mod.
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    ►Winged_One (Veteran Member)​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    Definitely Apeiron has been experimenting with creating capes and powers, and garment is his daughter that he created in some experiment.​
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    How else would he have the experience and knowledge to treat weld?​
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    ►Picker_of_Nits ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    Are we sure Garment isn't a minor?​
    Those gloves look really new.​
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    Also, what's the law say about relations between people and animate objects?​
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    Can you imagine that interview?​
    They pull out the barbie doll set, point to all the clothing and ask "Where did he touch you?"​
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    (User has been temp-banned for 3 days to think about what they've done.)​
    Hammer_of_Bans (Mod) says: No. Just no. Have a temp-ban.​
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    ►JustADream ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    Well, we all know about the fact that Dragon is setting up shop here in the bay, and while it was probably due to her wanting to keep a close look at our resident Mad Tinker in case he goes nuts (probably has already some screwed drives in his head)- I feel there's something a bit "more" to it...the Dragon found a treasure for her horde and she wants to "capture" Aperion before anyone else~​
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    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    people seem to forget, Garment Gloves is just Gloves, there is no invisible person there, any shipping must be Platonic, due to lack of...required tools​
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    ►OhNoMyUsername ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    Oh dosh garnet, I thought I snagged this one. Guess I've got a thread to delete, or change the purpose of. Eh, I'll figure that out later.​
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    Hm. For some reason, Assault/Battery/Apeiron has jumped into my mind from the void. I do not know if that would work, or if they've met each other at all, but it sure is a pairing.​
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    @FunctionalAdult you severely underestimate the internet here. Like, come on, there's fics shipping the cow with the spoon out there.​
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    ►CaptainOfShippers ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    Garment/Apeiron all the way! Their existence contributed to the fashion explosion in the Bay, just look! EVERY SINGLE CAPE has updated their costumes at some point during the Age of Apeiron, and almost certainly they received some assistance from our resident sentient clothing. Come to think of it, Parian/Garment might be a good thing too...​
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    Also also, I believe that every time Apeiron goes out to battle, Garment is with him all the time! Just look at those immaculate gloves!​
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    ►NotALazyHam ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    @CaptainOfShippers Excellent idea. And those glowing red thread must be their baby by the way of Apeiron! And next time Apeiron come out to play, he will have some new little red suits and dresses with him.​
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    ►Good Ship Morpheus ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    @.Winged_One. It is rude to assume that C53's are inhuman. But if garment is anyone's 'creation' it would probably be Pariahs, since she is able to create those moving dolls.​
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    If Garment wasn't a C53 I would might been tempted to think that Apeiron cheated on Bakuda with Pariah at most. Since tinkers seem to be very interested in those fabrics of hers, but that is unlikely, we know how defensive Apeiron can get of his children.​
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    ►NotEntirelyUnInsane ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    Well, there is somewhat of a precedent for animate/inanimate intimacy, in that the Eiffel Tower was married to a French woman. No, really. Look it up! Sadly she was widowed by the Blasphemies, but... well. Considering Garment is an animate object, though, I'm not sure that she technically counts seeing as she's not *not* alive...?​
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    Allow me to introduce Sundancer x Apeiron! The hottest couple ever conceived! The passion of a burning sun, the smouldering beauty that even Apeiron cannot resist! The Forgemaster and his Flame, oh *yes*! Tell me you can't see it!​
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    "Oh Apeiron, you're so good with your hands!"​
    "Yeah babe you're so hot"​
    *Swoons*​
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    ►DisCard (Verified Shipper)​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    I'm not updating the Brockton Bay chart until May. Stop asking.​
    ►RobotRumble ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    Hey! Enough with the boring pairings already. You're missing the most important one: the debut of the capeiest cape that caped. Apeiron's invincible parrying cape needs a partner!​
    We've already established that Armsmaster's Halberd X Miss Militia's variable gun totally is a OTP. But where can we find a match for the magnificent flappiness of The Cape?​
    Fear not, for there is Veil! She's a corporate Hero down in Florida, who does force fields that look/acts like veils of cloth. Video here Looks familiar no? Totally OTP.​
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    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    @ RobotRumble against all odds you might have a point. Not about the shipping, but about Veil. I'd never heard about her before, but looking at that video...​
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    People, I think we just found where Apeiron got/stole/copied the power/inspiration for his cape.​
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    In case anyone have missed it, the current favorite theory about Apeiron's specialty is that he can make tinker tech copies of powers, and this thing about Veil is another point in favor.​
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    I'll be over in the Power Speculation thread with this now. Talk there.​
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    ►XxVoid_CowboyxX ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    its AperionXParian with there love child being garment.​
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    That or apeiron is the source behind that rumor that you can buy powers in a bottle and the Case 53s are his failures hes been working on fixing.​
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    hey Apeiron how much do you sell powers for?​
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    ►Voyager ​
    Replied On Apr 22nd 2011:​
    I know it sounds impossible, but i agree that xxVoid_cowboyxx's theory is not so out of question, nobody knows the origin of C53.​
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    Edit: to those that say that Parian is not legal, nobody says that the conception has to be 'traditional' i think in this situation Apeiron used a DNA mixer and a gestation tank​
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    Banned. Banned. Banned. You're all banned. None of you is free from sin.​
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    I am astonished at this.​
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    ♦ Topic: Uber And Leet 2.0
    In: Boards ► ► Places ► America ► Brockton Bay
    Mac's Dual Rocket Propelled Grenades     (Original Poster)
    Posted On Apr 15th 2011:
    So I know we were all surprised when Uber and Leet decided to go total darkside and help out the crazy bomber woman (See Thread on Bakuda's... debut here), but they've now shown a few other big showings that don't seem to coincide with their previous history of being total screw-ups (Apeiron Fight, attack on Faultline's crew, and now Plants vs Zombies against Lost Garden?). Hell, it looks like Leet's gear is no longer breaking.

    Are these really the same two idiots the internet has grown to both love and detest in equal measures? The ones who raided a go-kart track in order to throw virtual green shells at each other (and the other people there), or staged a massive King of the Hill match with goons dressed up from Team Fortress 2 at a mall?

    Is this the beginning of something new, or like many sequels, are they simply destined to burn out and leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth?

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    ►Sothoth (Veteran Member)​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    You probably don't know this, but to us who were there when they first showed up? They were an effective villain team. They embarrassed the local PRT on regular intervals and always, always got away without capture (unlike nowadays where they keep getting captured). The tech Leet was showing off, and the skill that Uber was using them with was something to be remembered. There was a time, when they were on par with the Empire and Lung.​
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    But, despite that, I still remember the time that they were nobler. All the stuff they did were for games only, and they took care to help out in some of the forgotten orphanages that are spread around the city. They were anti-villains, and they helped the children sleep peacefully, even just a little bit.​
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    For us veterans of Brockton Bay, Uber and Leet were the "Apeiron" of our time.​
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    The fact that they are returning to their prime, but this time fully embracing their roles as villains? It makes me shudder. It was never known what Leet's specialty was, after all.​
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    ►Cynic-Al ​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    I suppose "nobility" is in the eye of the beholder.​
    The "participants" in their "shows" certainly didn't see a lot of it.​
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    Also, while the Foster Care system does appreciate help and donations, throwing a bag of stolen video games through a window isn't helpful.​
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    Fun detail about "Robin Hood" criminals, turns out most places can't accept donations from criminals!​
    The police get all weird about it.​
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    ►Sothoth (Veteran Member)​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    Hey, I said "nobler" not "noble". They were still villains. Also, heh, yeah, that time was amazing. Some of the kids hid the games they managed to get before the police arrived.​
    ►Mac's Dual Rocket Propelled Grenades (Original Poster)​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    >throwing a bag of stolen video games through a window isn't helpful.​
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    Wait, is that something they actually did?​
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    ►Game_Phan_213 ​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    Guys, I think I got it figured out!​
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    So this March chick has like super-timing, which is underwhelming in most cases, but timing is actually really important in video games.​
    Leet has his Video Game Tinker power, but him and Uber are actually button-mashing noobs.​
    That's what Leet was saying, she taught them to play video games!​
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    Now they can use all the tech the way it was meant to be used.​
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    ►Moby Dick ​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    Is the ABB trying to play into the hikikomori stereotype, or something?​
    Trying to appeal to the disenfranchised and disillusioned young adults who lost everything showing that even losers like Uber and Leet can amount to something if they really tried?​
    ►Browbeat (Verified Cape) (Wards ENE)​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    >showing that even losers like Uber and Leet can amount to something if they really tried?​
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    The only thing they 'amounted to' was aiding in one of the greatest acts of domestic terrorism on the East Coast. For all those two idiots claim to be doing what they do 'in love of video games', the truth is that everything they've done has just proven all the crap that people claim about videogames being bad for people. If they genuinely cared about games, they wouldn't bother trying to dress up their crimes with window dressing about it and blame them for their own actions.​
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    Uber, Leet. Stop screwing with my hobbies. I haven't been able to bring myself to play in any gaming tournaments since you two first showed up.​
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    ►DrowningInTheBay ​
    Replied On Apr 15th 2011:​
    Naw U&L might've used to have been serious threats, but I'd never call them noble. The way they acted and portrayed an obvious disregard for life and personal responcibility is proof enough. What they definitely displayed in the past was a lack of desperation that is very much no longer present. It's why they are generally no longer considered threats. Like some people like to point out their GTA stunt as their dive in morality but they've always assaulted people for no reason other than to have people participate in their hair brained schemes. Only reason why they are still on the streets is their elusiveness. A whole lotta people, and not just LoEs, want to see these two either behind bars or outa the state. Honestly if joining up with a mad bomber is what it took for you to realize that not only are they villians but they are a genuine danger to the public where ever they are you either weren't a victim of theirs or you thought everyone in their streams were paid actors.​
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    ♦ Topic: Laserdream has a boyfriend?
    In: Boards ► ► Places ► Brockton Bay ► Capes
    Aloha     (Original Poster)
    Posted On Apr 20th 2011:
    So, I live in Brockton Bay, and anyone who's been watching the news knows the shitfest we've been going through. Cape's doing even more unimaginable things than normal, the city turning into a warzone because of warring gangs, Apeiron being Apeiron and all that, The ABB bombing the city and New Wave collapsing.

    That last part was especially sad for me, cause I did like New Wave as a team. I felt bad for the kids, Shielder, Glory Girl, Panacea and Laserdream all got the shit end of the stick over the past week. When the breakup happened, I wished them nothing but the best.

    So imagine my surprise when I see Cyrstal Pelham walking around with some very handsome man like she had known him her entire life. Is she on the dating scene? Am I even allowed to talk about this?

    Either way, what do all the rest of us people of the Bay think about this new development?

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    ►ALoneMadRhino (Verified Rhino)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Huh. Nice to see her having a good time after the shitshow that happened with her family. @Glitzglam, anything to say about this?​
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    Not wanting to start speculation or anything, but New Wave has always been a family-based Cape team, no? Who knows, maybe we'll see another member of New Wave sometime soon.​
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    ►EurekaEffect ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Hey! I've seen it too! Manged to make a photo!*picture of Joe and Lazerdream talking*​
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    I even know the guy! What his name...Jose Durin? Was going with me on engineering degree. He took his time with moving on from a messy breakup with a bitch. Anyway, good for him, lucky bastard.​
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    ►Sothoth (Veteran Member)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Man, that guy is handsome. I'm straight as an iron beam, but even I can admit that guy is seriously model-like. Like, no joke, is there a fashion magazine somewhere with this guy on it?​
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    On another note, what is with the water here in BB that so many handsome and beautiful people are popping up? And where can I drink some?​
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    ►Purrrfect ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    >Not wanting to start speculation or anything, but New Wave has always been a family-based Cape team, no?​
    Thank you for the fish. I promise I will dissect it carefully.​
    Even the BB Cape Pool is growing like crazy, it still won't be too hard to find a possible match.This is the price that poor guy has to pay to go out with such a cute girl like Laserdream.​
    ►ALoneMadRhino (Verified Rhino)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    @Purrrfect​
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    I thought I said too not... you know what, never mind. People were going to start wondering who this guy is for one reason or another. Let's just hope it doesn't turn into another Fleur. That was a sad day for New Wave, and I'd hate to see it repeated. Especially after this week's shitshow.​
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    ►Submariner (Verified Anti-Shipper)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    @ ALoneMadRhino​
    Let's be careful with our words on the dreaded boards of the PHO. Not everyone who associates with a member of New Wave is a cape, so let's not paint a target on this guy's back by even remotely implying that he might be a cape. For all we know, he's just one of her classmates. Maybe she was just escorting him through the hellscape our city has become to ensure he was safe. (Is that reverse-chivalry? Femvalry? I genuinely don't know if there is a catchy buzz word for this...)​
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    I'm more curious what the kids of New Wave (Next Wave?) are planning to do with the cape-scene going forward. I mean, I wouldn't blame them if they all took a year off or whatever. I mean, the youngest still need to finish up high school and Laserdream probably wants to focus on college work and finding a decent job (let's not forget, Brandish still works as a lawyer, unless the ungodly hour destroyed her office building) than dealing with the psychos we have here in the bay.​
    ►GhostBoy (Verified Undead)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    I'm just going to leave this little tidbit here. Snapped it just seconds ago. Boy is this a doozy.:evil:​
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    *Photo of Laserdream and Aisha each holding one of Joe's arms glareing at each other over his sholder*​
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    ►ALoneMadRhino (Verified Rhino)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    One of those two looks like a child, pls refrain.​
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    I think the best we could hope for is the younger girl being an overprotective family friend/member.​
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    ►OhNoMyUsername (Dragon Fanboy)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Well I'm glad something is going well(?) for her right now. With the Ungodly Hour, Apeiron, the New Wave drama, and the Merchants gaining... two? Three? A few capes overnight, I can't imagine she's been having an easy time of it.​
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    ►Sothoth (Veteran Member)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    This is kind of surprising. Usually, posts like this that concern a cape's love life would erupt into war right now. Instead, they're getting all the support they have.​
    ►OhNoMyUsername (Dragon Fanboy)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    I think we here in BB have had enough war to last us for a while. Doesn't mean it's gonna stop, because the people who feel that way typically aren't the ones doing it, but I'm gonna stop here because I'm making myself sad again.​
    ►Rolled7onaD6 ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    >Man, that guy is handsome. I'm straight as an iron beam, but even I can admit that guy is seriously model-like. Like, no joke, is there a fashion magazine somewhere with this guy on it?​
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    I'm with Sototh on this one. That guy is straight up model-like handsome. Perfect moves and posing as well.​
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    Perhaps a bit too handsome.​
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    Do we have to worry about Stranger Danger of a more parahuman kind?​
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    I mean, everyone knows that New Wave is off their game right now. Would be just like some villain Stranger to cozy up to Laser Dream and offer a sympathetic shoulder when her guard is down.​
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    Has anyone checked on Crystal lately? :o​
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    ►FalconOwlShrike ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Huh. Could've sworn I saw that same guy giving a bouquet to that new cape, Garment. The one made out of clothes. I didn't really get a good look, though.​
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    ►RocRocRoccks ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    You mean this guy?​
    *Photo of Garment hugging Joe, who has a bouquet of flowers, outside of her shop.*​
    ►FalconOwlShrike ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Yeah, that's the guy. Huh. Wouldn't have taken him for a playboy, he doesn't really look like it.​
    ►TinkerTailorSoldierNinja! ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Duh! He's a model!!🌟 Of course he knows Garment. She probably makes clothes he shows off somewhere. Duh :rolleyes:​
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    Fashion Cape + Model = Know each other.​
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    It's not Rocket Science people...​
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    Plus he's apparently really nice and brings the girls flowers 💐💜​
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    ►Aloha (Original Poster)​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Oh shit. Should we...inform Laserdream?​
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    ►Answer Key ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Don't. The situation is stressful as it is, this would be another thing that might cause her to go apeshit.​
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    ►Antigone ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    We should! Communication is the best medicine for any relationship!​
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    ►Pirogies ​
    Replied On Apr 20th 2011:​
    Well. That escalated quickly. So many bans over the topic of informin Laserdream...​
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    I, for one, don't think she's actually in a relationship.​
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  • Apocrypha
    • @LordRoustabout I'm looking over the Zoids Legacy jump for my own Forge-related stuff, and I was wondering if you looked at the literal free cache of data on the Small-sized Zoids listed in the jumpdoc. Did you purposely ignore that to not swamp Joe with a ton of blueprints, or was it just missed?
     
    I've been rereading the fic and every time, I keep getting hit by how much Aisha has changed since the start of the fic. She literally started out as this preteen brat and ended up becoming a preteen supergenius with more wisdom than her brother's team combined, huh.
     
    readerdreamer said:
    I've been rereading the fic and every time, I keep getting hit by how much Aisha has changed since the start of the fic. She literally started out as this preteen brat and ended up becoming a preteen supergenius with more wisdom than her brother's team combined, huh.
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    What can we say except that Joe has been treating her better as a student even if we take into account his teaching perk.

    Combine that with Ren, her Shard getting so much Data that it is about to fall into a food coma thanks to certain colors, and all the responsibility that she now has to shoulder as a member. Do you really think that she wouldn't grow into who she is now?
     
    dragon_cloud16 said:
    What can we say except that Joe has been treating her better as a student even if we take into account his teaching perk.

    Combine that with Ren, her Shard getting so much Data that it is about to fall into a food coma thanks to certain colors, and all the responsibility that she now has to shoulder as a member. Do you really think that she wouldn't grow into who she is now?
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    Given the sheer amount of information control Aisha is under all the time, if I recall WoG correctly her Shard has been getting nothing but garbled nonsense from Aisha for a while now. But yeah, knowing why she has grown isn't really as important as the fact that we've seen her grow. Normally, I hate the old "show, not tell" adage, but Aisha's character development is certainly that.
     
    readerdreamer said:
    Normally, I hate the old "show, not tell" adage, but Aisha's character development is certainly that.
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    One of the (many) issues with "show, don't tell" is that frequently author's don't actually show, they just do an extremely bloated and long-winded version of "tell", while the characters' actions continue to display the opposite. E.g. they have some long and elaborate sequence that is supposed to tell us how clever the character is, and in-universe other characters stand there congratulating them on being so clever, but all the while the reader has been thinking "wow, this was a stupid plan, there was a far simpler/better option available" since the very first sentence.

    But, no one has gone around in this story excessively lampshading and congratulating Aisha on her growth and newfound maturity. We, the readers, have simply seen it and commented on it ourselves.

    Which is how "show, don't tell" should be done. It's like the equally-old "if you have to explain the joke, it wasn't funny". If you have to tell us what was just being shown, you didn't really show it.
     
    Chronocidal said:
    One of the (many) issues with "show, don't tell" is that frequently author's don't actually show, they just do an extremely bloated and long-winded version of "tell", while the characters' actions continue to display the opposite. E.g. they have some long and elaborate sequence that is supposed to tell us how clever the character is, and in-universe other characters stand there congratulating them on being so clever, but all the while the reader has been thinking "wow, this was a stupid plan, there was a far simpler/better option available" since the very first sentence.

    But, no one has gone around in this story excessively lampshading and congratulating Aisha on her growth and newfound maturity. We, the readers, have simply seen it and commented on it ourselves.

    Which is how "show, don't tell" should be done. It's like the equally-old "if you have to explain the joke, it wasn't funny". If you have to tell us what was just being shown, you didn't really show it.
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    Hence why I said I dislike the advice, because it's so repeatedly said and advised so blindly that it tends to just make things worse. The thing is, not everyone can take the time to properly apply it, and if given to the wrong people, they would misapply it and only make things worse, so why tell people to "show, not tell"? Not everyone is Tolkien, or in this case, LordRoustabout. It's better to just let authors write as they naturally would, at least that way there's less of a chance for awkwardness to happen.
     
    Tackyseven said:
    so I was rewatching this canon fight snippet and since SS9 is up here soon I thought about this fic and how different the fight would be if Taylor had her current Apeiron load out, it's a funny picture ngl makes the song fit even better too
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    In canon Taylor managed to force Mannequin to flee using conventional weaponry and silk. Now she has Very unconventional weaponry, force shield, magical armour, and improved fully weaponized Mass Effect omni-tool. And a very big bag. For more spider silk. And Mad-doll now has a new vibrating sword and no idea about half of things Khepri can deploy (So he can't build counter measures against them). Can this hypothetical meeting even be called "Fight"? It will be a miracle if Toy-Killer wouldn't get dissected in first minute.

    Just imagine if in that animation, after being surrounded by bug clones, Mannequin just falls apart, like if he was a puppet with all strings suddenly cut. And then he is sliced in fine bits, because that is Taylor's way of double taping. Raiden would approve.
     
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