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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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so I was thinking Aperion/Joe actually has the one major advantage against Burnout when it comes to healing that is often brought up. his duplicates. he can create them and have them go on healing sprees (or they decide to spend their 20% on healing) basically meaning that he can always heal without burning out from overworking or desensitization. because he personally does not experience it allowing him to avoid feeling dead inside like Panacea
 
Luca Nox said:
so I was thinking Aperion/Joe actually has the one major advantage against Burnout when it comes to healing that is often brought up. his duplicates. he can create them and have them go on healing sprees (or they decide to spend their 20% on healing) basically meaning that he can always heal without burning out from overworking or desensitization. because he personally does not experience it allowing him to avoid feeling dead inside like Panacea
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Didn't Panacea only heal for an hour a day or something? I think she was sad because she wasn't helping more or something (combined with other stuff), rather than burnout.
 
LordRoustabout said:
Over the year/hours we had spent in the system
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QUESTION:
Several Shards have loosened their restrictions in response to the severe Out-Of-Context problem that is Joe's escalating power-set.

Do you think "loosened restrictions" include the Shard budding cycle?

Aisha spent a year in a virtual environment learning Aura, alchemy/alkahestry, chi, and compression technology, so Aisha's Shard is full of data and ripe to bud off.

Just imagine a second-generation bud filled with knowledge from Joe's Celestial Forge: magic, potions, technology from a dozen different realities, confirmation of the Soul's existence and that there is an Afterlife, etc.

Example:
Aisha: (panic) "Joe! The space-whale nugget in my brain is pregnant and going into labor!"
Joe: :o :o :o ?!?!

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How long was 🕷️ Skitter an active cape before the QA-shard's bud latched onto Aiden Tate a.k.a. 🐔🐓Chicken Little? Six months? A year? I don't remember.

Link: Chicken Little
 
drvash said:
QUESTION:
Several Shards have loosened their restrictions in response to the severe Out-Of-Context problem that is Joe's escalating power-set.

Do you think "loosened restrictions" include the Shard budding cycle?

Aisha spent a year in a virtual environment learning Aura, alchemy/alkahestry, chi, and compression technology, so Aisha's Shard is full of data and ripe to bud off.

Just imagine a second-generation bud filled with knowledge from Joe's Celestial Forge: magic, potions, technology from a dozen different realities, confirmation of the Soul's existence and that there is an Afterlife, etc.

Example:
Aisha: (panic) "Joe! The space-whale nugget in my brain is pregnant and going into labor!"
Joe: :o :o :o ?!?!

P.S.
How long was 🕷️ Skitter an active cape before the QA-shard's bud latched onto Aiden Tate a.k.a. 🐔🐓Chicken Little? Six months? A year? I don't remember.

Link: Chicken Little
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Generally my understanding of Shards budding is that it gains all of the usable data from the host about the power that is necessary to optimize the processes being used to run the power, freeing up RAM space for the shard to then give another similar-ish power to someone else. Aisha's year in VR isn't necessarily going to help the shard do that, so it's not going to make her suddenly bud off.
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as for your second question, it would've been several months of build-up to her cape career followed by several months of actively involving herself in relentless high-stakes cape conflicts with only enough downtime to lick her wounds (she saw a lot more action in the months that she spent as skitter than a cape such as.. Clockblocker would probably typically see in a year or two) which means that she was growing with her power very fast and her shard was getting a shit-ton more data on the power and it's use than a typical cape would be producing.
 
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drvash said:
QUESTION:
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Budding is weird.
Wildbow WoG said:
More like the shard is just a big chunk of entity, somewhere between a crystal and a braincomputer, and it's constantly adapting and shifting gears to take in the data that the host is granting. When that starts slowing down, because the shard has seen enough permutations, then it devotes a chunk of itself to the processing for a new host (or to the existing host again), extending a tendril across realities.
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Wildbow WoG said:
Kyakan: Back in Scion's interlude, he mentioned that Taylor's shard had fragmented, and was no longer in contact with said fragment (Aidan) due to having moved apart. However, in a later WoG, you clarified that a shard budding is more like designating a different portion of the same shard than physically separating. My question is why Taylor's shard would no longer be communicating with Aidan's, since they're physically re same shard? Am I misinterpreting the WoG?

Wildbow: @ Kya - Shards burn off a lot of their extraneous functioning when they manifest in a host. It gets a bit hard to word because the CPU is still in another dimension and is doing stuff, but the active part is mostly in the host. Scion is distinguishing the active portions of Taylor & Aidan.
Kiiind of like how when you're talking to someone about stuff going on with your computer, you might gesture at the monitor, keyboard, mouse setup and not the desktop sitting on the ground to one side.
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So most of the time (Not all the time, as Fragile One exist) it's less of "I'm creating an offspring" and more of "I'm bored, time to do more stuff". An example of it would be The Heartbroken, as all of them connected to the same shard, not a bunch of its offspring. So I don't think that Aisha's shard would bud, as it is very far from being bored with what it's current host brings to the Data table.

Also, Aisha's Shard (It needs a name. Ciara needs an appearance in this fic) can't see what's happening behind the curtain, and doesn't trust Aisha's memory, so a lot of things Aisha knows about it chunks into "Silly host, doesn't know what it's seeing" pile. Of course, it can't deny technology (And Alchemy) and Aisha's ability to compress the incompressible, but more "out there" stuff (like souls, impossible colours and psionic) will be ignored. Let alone the fact that Aisha was not told about most of it.
 
more questions about giving drugs to a cat to @LordRoustabout

given human and cat drugs work on Tybalt could he use drugs that humans can't? or even drugs whose mechanisms physically don't exist? like a neuro receptor that he doesn't have in his brain? or a drug non-chemical drug?

do viruses, prions, and proteins count as drugs? because we have proteins that are more complex them most viruses

could lethal substances that work by empowering the body too much to the point of failure be useful as combat stims?

Would Tybalt be able to utilize the codex Astartes/tactica imperialis and other Billion word works on war of the imperium of man?

would card/board games be included in the library, like remnant: the game and regicide?

could joe gain tech by getting educational material from other universes like the hilariously named "your friend promethium" an educational piece of the imperium of man explaining the uses and properties of promethium

how much will star maps of other versions of the milky way be correct in relation to earth-bets?

will you consider giving joe Dune technology just for the potential of seeing a cat high on spice melange

what does joe phisicaly look like?, like what actor does he look like?
 
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"Acknowledged. Proceeding with vehicle transformation." Once again Fleet took point in guiding the Wishes through the next Mechashift, taking them into the third form I had worked on.

Living flesh shifted to hard metal, then began a series of more significant shifts. Changes in form and profile. Compressions and alterations. A complete reassembly until three vehicles were sitting before us.

Aisha's Orudios had reformed itself into a motorcycle. A large model, similar in design to my original motoroid, at least in its rarely used civilian mode. Sleek and silver with multicolored decals decorating its chassis.

In Tybalt's case, the Zaber Fang had also shifted to a motorcycle, though one that was the thematic opposite of Aisha's Japanese inspired design. The large chopper had the profile of a Harley Davidson, though with an excessive amount of chrome. Any parts not gleaming metal sported splashes of color. No rainbow pattern, but a full spectrum of different tones spread across the bike.

And then there was Dekalt. The results of that transformation elicited roughly the same level of reaction from Garment as Orudios' unicorn form had from Aisha. As soon as the transformation was completed she rushed forward to fawn over it.

Dekalt was significantly larger than the other two Wishes. With the compression effects I could accomplish that wasn't a problem, but I had already received another motorcycle with my tinker equipment. It was easy to make a case for an alternate vehicle mode.

Which was why Garment was now lounging across the hood of a sleek silver convertible. The two-seater sports car had a profile sleek enough to put any supercar to shame. The gleaming metal of its chassis was complimented by the brightness of the colors used in its accents and interior. Sharply angled headlights and a technically-unnecessary grille hearkened to the Dekalt's eyes and teeth, giving a predatory edge to the design.
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Is there any particular reason that out of all the new forms the Wish-Zoids got not one was a Cybertronian like robot form? They have their Standard Mode(Wish-Zoid), Flesh Mode, Vehicle Alt, and a Mini-Disguise Mode but not Robot Alt mood. Is Joe waiting until they gain a more human level intelligence before giving them a Cybertronian robot form?
 
BigsDragon said:
Is there any particular reason that out of all the new forms the Wish-Zoids got not one was a Cybertronian like robot form? They have their Standard Mode(Wish-Zoid), Flesh Mode, Vehicle Alt, and a Mini-Disguise Mode but not Robot Alt mood. Is Joe waiting until they gain a more human level intelligence before giving them a Cybertronian robot form?
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They are Zoids. They have animals as base of their AI and restricted by hardware (Zoid's cores) from going beyond that. Furthermore, they also prefer it that way, as stated in the chapter they appear in. No human intelligence to be found there. Only animals, smarter than most of the humans. Consequently - no desire for humanoid form.

Also, at least one of the Zoids has robot mode. Orudios's (Unicorn) Vehicle Alt is fully functioning motoroid. Which means that one of it's alt-forms is actually two forms. Feels like cheating.
 
BigsDragon said:
Is there any particular reason that out of all the new forms the Wish-Zoids got not one was a Cybertronian like robot form? They have their Standard Mode(Wish-Zoid), Flesh Mode, Vehicle Alt, and a Mini-Disguise Mode but not Robot Alt mood. Is Joe waiting until they gain a more human level intelligence before giving them a Cybertronian robot form?
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Not all Transformers had humanoid forms. Ravage (Panther), Buzzsaw (Bird), Laserbeak (Bird), Ramhorn (Rhinoceros), and Steeljaw (Lion) are all Generation-1 Transformers without humanoid forms.

(But, don't assume that that makes them any less intelligent than humanoid Transformers. That could be a… dangerous mistake to make.)

So, for the Wish-Zoids, their Wish-Zoid form is their Cybertronian robot form.
 
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Chronocidal said:
Not all Transformers had humanoid forms. Ravage (Panther), Buzzsaw (Bird), Laserbeak (Bird), Ramhorn (Rhinoceros), and Steeljaw (Lion) are all Generation-1 Transformers without humanoid forms.

(But, don't assume that that makes them any less intelligent than humanoid Transformers. That could be a… dangerous mistake to make.)

So, for the Wish-Zoids, their Wish-Zoid form is their Cybertronian robot form.
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You answered what I wanted to say but in a much more eloquent manner. Thank you.
 
Slentoru said:
They are Zoids. They have animals as base of their AI and restricted by hardware (Zoid's cores) from going beyond that. Furthermore, they also prefer it that way, as stated in the chapter they appear in. No human intelligence to be found there. Only animals, smarter than most of the humans. Consequently - no desire for humanoid form.

Also, at least one of the Zoids has robot mode. Orudios's (Unicorn) Vehicle Alt is fully functioning motoroid. Which means that one of it's alt-forms is actually two forms. Feels like cheating.
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Chronocidal said:
Not all Transformers had humanoid forms. Ravage (Panther), Buzzsaw (Bird), Laserbeak (Bird), Ramhorn (Rhinoceros), and Steeljaw (Lion) are all Generation-1 Transformers without humanoid forms.

(But, don't assume that that makes them any less intelligent than humanoid Transformers. That could be a… dangerous mistake to make.)

So, for the Wish-Zoids, their Wish-Zoid form is their Cybertronian robot form.
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And Apeiron held off giving them more forms or advanced weaponry until he knows the Wish-Zoids' Semblances, elemental affinities, personal preferences, and assigned specialty within the Celestial Forge's group hierarchy.

Right now, the Wish-Zoids' forms are generic jack-of-all-trades until the next round of upgrades and rebuilds.

For example, Aisha would love it if Orudios specialized in healing magic, as unicorns are said to cure poisons and illnesses.

Yes, Apeiron rarely NEEDS a medic given his nanite healing, I just want to see the PHO media reaction to a majestic silver unicorn healing people like something out of a Disney princess movie.
 
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prussiangrandier said:
how much will star maps of other versions of the milky way be correct in relation to earth-bets?
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Not even a little, in 40k alone Pluto, and the Earth's moon would have fallen out of their orbits after only a millennia.

Everything else has to deal with stellar wars, the destruction of Stars(a worryingly common occurrence in several settings), and the effects of the entities destroying and harvesting celestial objects (like planets), as well as whatever galaxy wide re-arrangements of stars and planets each settings pre-cursor races might of indulged in.
 
I am incredibly excited for the next chapter. Uppercrust's 'I've seen it all' attitude is so fun to see, and Lord's taken two weeks on this chapter so you know it'll be high quality.

Hype!
 
Because_i_can said:
Not even a little, in 40k alone Pluto, and the Earth's moon would have fallen out of their orbits after only a millennia.

Everything else has to deal with stellar wars, the destruction of Stars(a worryingly common occurrence in several settings), and the effects of the entities destroying and harvesting celestial objects (like planets), as well as whatever galaxy wide re-arrangements of stars and planets each settings pre-cursor races might of indulged in.
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that would still leave most stars, interestingly the youngest of stars would be more likely to present as the oldest ones were affected by the war in heaven, and that will show up, including systems being absent in relation to what gravity would dictate

plus we have Star Trek, and every work we know the star sing of the characters, cuz zodiac

heck totally spies canonically has astrologists

there is enough data to compare stars and notice they are diferent
 
I did manage to finish rereading through the highlights of this story before the next chapter. It was a lot. The hardest was I kept getting hooked where I'd start just reading it all. Had to stop that more than a handful of times, or I'd still be rereading with plenty more to go.
 
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