- Location
- Miami
I liked the launching of the ship having meaning. Some things just need a bit of ceremony
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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
Frankly, the described reason to give the Nine the initiative and the opportunity to enter the city looks very far-fetched and controversial. Considering the sum total of technology and abilities of the Forge team. Well, banal tactics and strategy. Why give them the opportunity to stage their standard massacre and bloody circus along the way and in the urban area, if it can be prevented?
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Tl;Dr: Jack, you have fucked up. The dragon is awake now.
In case anyone missed my last message, the Neathbow got clarifications and examples of "safe" presentations literally this past week.
"Apocyan, the colour of indelible memory."
"The shapes, bathed in apocyanic light, commit themselves exactly to your memory, their precise angles engraved in your mind. […] you'll recall how exactly they resemble the pattern on the wallpaper in a parlour you stood in, long ago, on the Surface."
Here's another page with the overview from Sunless Seas. And Here is the overview of the full Neathbow (not perfectly updated with the Summer Event links yet).
All that said, the "Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all" gif from that Simpsons clip shows it off way better than most explanations I've seen, to be honest.
"Apocyan, the colour of indelible memory."
"The shapes, bathed in apocyanic light, commit themselves exactly to your memory, their precise angles engraved in your mind. […] you'll recall how exactly they resemble the pattern on the wallpaper in a parlour you stood in, long ago, on the Surface."
Here's another page with the overview from Sunless Seas. And Here is the overview of the full Neathbow (not perfectly updated with the Summer Event links yet).
All that said, the "Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all" gif from that Simpsons clip shows it off way better than most explanations I've seen, to be honest.
- Location
- Nowhere
Seeing some people not liking how Joe is going about things here.
Like dude's most imporant thing in life was keeping Taylor alive and safe because his precog insists she does something on a multiversal scale and we've seen how far he has gone for that. Now his precog is telling him that Jack does the same thing Taylor does but in reverse he does something bad on a multiversal scale.
Sure most MC/SI/OC take iniative and go after the nine to prevent them from hurting anyone else and stuff, but that isn't on Joe he rationalised it in the chapter with cold logic. He doesn't have the knowledge we have about the nine, he isn't even sure about the current roster and their actual abilities all he has is what he can find about them online which should be taken with a grain of salt, so him taking time to get an accurate read? Is reasonable.
Now the part where he just sits and waits for them to come to him, that's because he want's to destroy the entire concept of the nine and anything like them, he doesn't want to just kill them or remove them from the board what he want's is a show of force so powerful that no one else would dare even consider doing what they have done, which again is because of how adamant his precog is about how dangerous Jack is.
Sure people will die, but in his mind and any other person with tatical knoweldge or a strategic mind an ambush and raids are both valid types of attacks. In Joe's mind regardless of his actions people will end up dead and if he goes in half cocked without knowing just what and who he is up against he thinks more people will die while waiting for them to come to brockton will allow him to fortify the city against anything they can bring.
The nine themselves even admitted that they take back roads, go for out of place houses or towns so as to not be seen because they like to work in situations where they have the advantage. In the end both actions are valid sure he could go out face them and likely win but that isn't what he want's as said before by me and Joe himself, he want's to remove the entire concept of the nine and anything like them from existence.
Furthermore currently his postion in the cape world and the world at large balances on one thing, his stability, that Aperion will follow through on all agreements or deals he has made. Even his anti-prcog measures are set up to make it seem like he is more of a reactionary force than a proactive one, that unless you do something to him, his team or those he cares for then he wont act and do stuff, him just deciding to go off and fight the nine throws all that under the bus.
The sole thing preventing him from being classified as an S-Rank Threat and being declared as unstable and untrustworthy is gone.
I can understand how some people will dislike his actions but they have logic behind them. I too like it when the MC/SI/OC just does what they want without much issue because they have the power but I find it much more interesting to see how Joe is restrained because of his own power, he is simply too powerful and it makes for rather intriguing dynamic.
He cannot act out or put his full effort into anything without everyone else getting too scared of him and shit hitting the fan. I can't think of anything else to write but I personally am fine with his decision.
Like dude's most imporant thing in life was keeping Taylor alive and safe because his precog insists she does something on a multiversal scale and we've seen how far he has gone for that. Now his precog is telling him that Jack does the same thing Taylor does but in reverse he does something bad on a multiversal scale.
Sure most MC/SI/OC take iniative and go after the nine to prevent them from hurting anyone else and stuff, but that isn't on Joe he rationalised it in the chapter with cold logic. He doesn't have the knowledge we have about the nine, he isn't even sure about the current roster and their actual abilities all he has is what he can find about them online which should be taken with a grain of salt, so him taking time to get an accurate read? Is reasonable.
Now the part where he just sits and waits for them to come to him, that's because he want's to destroy the entire concept of the nine and anything like them, he doesn't want to just kill them or remove them from the board what he want's is a show of force so powerful that no one else would dare even consider doing what they have done, which again is because of how adamant his precog is about how dangerous Jack is.
Sure people will die, but in his mind and any other person with tatical knoweldge or a strategic mind an ambush and raids are both valid types of attacks. In Joe's mind regardless of his actions people will end up dead and if he goes in half cocked without knowing just what and who he is up against he thinks more people will die while waiting for them to come to brockton will allow him to fortify the city against anything they can bring.
The nine themselves even admitted that they take back roads, go for out of place houses or towns so as to not be seen because they like to work in situations where they have the advantage. In the end both actions are valid sure he could go out face them and likely win but that isn't what he want's as said before by me and Joe himself, he want's to remove the entire concept of the nine and anything like them from existence.
Furthermore currently his postion in the cape world and the world at large balances on one thing, his stability, that Aperion will follow through on all agreements or deals he has made. Even his anti-prcog measures are set up to make it seem like he is more of a reactionary force than a proactive one, that unless you do something to him, his team or those he cares for then he wont act and do stuff, him just deciding to go off and fight the nine throws all that under the bus.
The sole thing preventing him from being classified as an S-Rank Threat and being declared as unstable and untrustworthy is gone.
I can understand how some people will dislike his actions but they have logic behind them. I too like it when the MC/SI/OC just does what they want without much issue because they have the power but I find it much more interesting to see how Joe is restrained because of his own power, he is simply too powerful and it makes for rather intriguing dynamic.
He cannot act out or put his full effort into anything without everyone else getting too scared of him and shit hitting the fan. I can't think of anything else to write but I personally am fine with his decision.
Aperion prepares to unleash all and when the nine come this happens:
Cherry comes within range one of the garden/merchant parties and collapses from the effect of a hundred minds on psychedelic drugs
Mimi finds Eli and they have a good time together
Crawler runs into Damsel in a bad mood
Mannequin get crushed in a force bubble, because Uppercrust is not stupid enough to not prepare after their last confrontation
Leet sends the siberian tiger to the game grid
Shattterbird meets a completely stressed out from the charity event Parian end gets buried under a mountain of clothes
Bonesaw manages to get into Master/Stranger containment, but can not get out.That stuff is build to keep people in, not out.
Jack gets killed by a normal teeth member for his knife
Cherry comes within range one of the garden/merchant parties and collapses from the effect of a hundred minds on psychedelic drugs
Mimi finds Eli and they have a good time together
Crawler runs into Damsel in a bad mood
Mannequin get crushed in a force bubble, because Uppercrust is not stupid enough to not prepare after their last confrontation
Leet sends the siberian tiger to the game grid
Shattterbird meets a completely stressed out from the charity event Parian end gets buried under a mountain of clothes
Bonesaw manages to get into Master/Stranger containment, but can not get out.That stuff is build to keep people in, not out.
Jack gets killed by a normal teeth member for his knife
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- Location
- Right Where I Am
Well, there are three iterations of Survey running now.
Although, in this case the second Survey should be Matrix.
Barbaric Bob
The Barbaric One
- Location
- Soon to be plundering a village near you
wait, what? yes, it would! fucking nuke em on whatever bumfuck road in nowhere they're hiding with some sort of antimatter bomb!
why!? why take such risks!?
Commit to their attack doesn't mean let them attack it means let them push past the point of no return so they can't run away. I'm betting they don't even get to the city proper before they get taken out.
It's also notable that this is the first time Joe has ever planned for a cape fight, or even given thought to plan countermeasures.
I'm hoping that we will see much more focused chapters moving forward now that Joe has a goal that can doesn't require waiting for his computer to be upgraded.
ExploerTM
Ruin has found you at last!
- Location
- Russia, Perm
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Oh man talk about irony.
As said above, Joe CAN murder them like there's no tomorrow, but it wouldn't be discreet and the moment people see Apeiron just murdering someone few states away, all hell breaks loose and Joe has to deal with like rest of the world declaring him an unstable threat. Now, Joe can fight entirety of Protectorate but by this point only thing left to is take over the country. Which Joe doesn't want Politics are a bitch after all.
This literally can't be a fight. Especially because he can apparently literally prepare for this for years. He can literally only use like 5% of his power and destroy the 9 without trying. If Joe struggles or fails in any way, there is absolutely nothing that could justify that. Anyways, I really enjoyed this chapter, and I felt like it was one of your better ones, which is saying something since I think all your chapters have been incredible.
- Location
- USA
The issue with preemptively attacking the S9 with black hole bombs or whatever is the issue is what happens afterwards. Maybe the S9's newest (unknown to Apeiron) member is GravityMan who can ignore black holes or whatnot. Maybe the black hole bomb misses most of the members due to how they hide while moving. Regardless of how it ends you now have the PRT and everyone freaking out since Aperion's throwing black hole bombs and their only comfort has been shown to be a lie since he's actively attacking not reacting.
At that point he gets classified as a S-Rank threat which means any attempt for him to work with any hero or rogue is gone. All the crazies will come out of the woodwork to get his bounty and I'm not sure he could even go to Endbringer attacks safely. (Not sure about that). So while it's kind of annoying dealing with politics it's the way of life is sometimes. Trying to keep everyone from freaking out is in his best long term goals.
At that point he gets classified as a S-Rank threat which means any attempt for him to work with any hero or rogue is gone. All the crazies will come out of the woodwork to get his bounty and I'm not sure he could even go to Endbringer attacks safely. (Not sure about that). So while it's kind of annoying dealing with politics it's the way of life is sometimes. Trying to keep everyone from freaking out is in his best long term goals.
Gumiho
Reach heaven through violence!
You mean Joes doesnt want to set himself up as God -Emperor!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
But how will readers live their power fantasy vicariously through Joe? How dare he not act like they would!
- Location
- Malaysia
Joe have all the power to easily annihilate S9 but using it will have consequences to his cape image and reputation. He from potential stable s class to unstable s class that does whatever he want outside of his own self contained territory .
Magos Tractor-1
Archmagos Dominus
- Location
- Somewhere in Mars, Olymus Mons probably
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
To be honest, I am getting fatigued with this story. I'll not be surprised if the following happens:
1. S9 Arc takes the rest of 2022.
2. Early-Late 2023 will be dragged on describing the S9 Arc.
3. Late 2023 will be the Coil Arc.
4. Early-Late 2024 will be Post-Coil Arc.
5. Late 2024 will be Noelle Arc.
6. Early-Late 2025 will be Post-Noelle.
7. Late 2025 will be Leviathan Arc.
8. Early-Late 2026 Post-Leviathan Arc.
This is all assuming that what we have seen in Late-2020 and Early-Late 2021 holds true. That is not even taking into account Homebrew Arcs like finishing the March Story-line or other Filler Arcs.
I'm going to step back from this fic for the rest of the year. Perhaps checking it at the end of 2022 to see if anything of note happened from here on out.
Keep writing Lord, and may many more find entertainment in your works!
1. S9 Arc takes the rest of 2022.
2. Early-Late 2023 will be dragged on describing the S9 Arc.
3. Late 2023 will be the Coil Arc.
4. Early-Late 2024 will be Post-Coil Arc.
5. Late 2024 will be Noelle Arc.
6. Early-Late 2025 will be Post-Noelle.
7. Late 2025 will be Leviathan Arc.
8. Early-Late 2026 Post-Leviathan Arc.
This is all assuming that what we have seen in Late-2020 and Early-Late 2021 holds true. That is not even taking into account Homebrew Arcs like finishing the March Story-line or other Filler Arcs.
I'm going to step back from this fic for the rest of the year. Perhaps checking it at the end of 2022 to see if anything of note happened from here on out.
Keep writing Lord, and may many more find entertainment in your works!
- Pronouns
- Hello
The closer they are to the city, the more distance they need to trek to escape from them. And frankly speaking, running away from the CF has a higher chance when you're several hundred miles away fron them. Not when you're right at their doorstep.
Try to run using back streets? Lmao, it's bugged by Survey.
Use the sewers? Lmao, that place is probably trapped so hard since no decent person without a reason goes in there.
It's a 'keep your enemies close' situation that the S9 will fall hard. They're crossing the event horizon and there's no way out.
Try to run using back streets? Lmao, it's bugged by Survey.
Use the sewers? Lmao, that place is probably trapped so hard since no decent person without a reason goes in there.
It's a 'keep your enemies close' situation that the S9 will fall hard. They're crossing the event horizon and there's no way out.
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- Pronouns
- He
Canonically, we are still far off from Levi visit. Of course, the Endbringers are known to fudge their dates a bit.
Not even that. She didn't found him. She doesn't have info on him, not even 3 days old info.
- Location
- Burlingame, CA
Aisha is shrieking with laughter in the distance. So are we. "TREE DEY ELD TEKNOLOGEEE!"
Nice try, Jack.
I think this is one of my favorite bits of prose from this chapter, being able to see his determination here.
- Location
- Russia
Wrong. It seems people didn't even read the whole chapter. Here:
He gave permission to use everything. Everything. He doesn't care about publics or PRTs opinion as long as S9 dies.
And that's why the decision to wait for them doesn't make sense. Srategy? Apeiron could go into super speed thinking and finish early. Info gathering on a notorious murderers? You want to say Survey need several days for that and can't finish in an hour or two? What, exactly, is different between starting acting in a couple of hours and whenever S9 gets here? He's planning on tracking their every move to prevent them starting to set up in the city... but he cant track them beforehand? What???
And it's framed like a good choice. Why?
Gumiho
Reach heaven through violence!
Because its the spectacle of the matter, the S9 attack Bb, Apierons homeground with everything they have and he breaks them makes for a far stronger message than randomly nuking them in some backwater bumfuck country lane. Also it keeps with his preexisting image which doesnt send the rest of the world in to full blown panic, since the 9 came to him. Just because he can deal with the vast majority of the world powerwise doesnt mean he should have to
Finally, Joe is unleashing everything including shot he hasnt really dabbled with yet, he doesnt have access to everything he is capable of at the drop of a hat because hes been holding back from going into them, a few days for joe is years if not decades of time to prepare.
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Sure, but he can release the data he had showing they were definitely heading towards BB to justify it. The fact that they weren't physically there yet isn't really relevant to the "Apeiron is only BB's problem" thing, as long as it's clear that he was defending BB specifically.
So let me guess, S9 forgot the meme and decided to wait 3 days before attacking.
It's quite funny how Jack and Joe parallel each other in this chapter. There's thing like the way they're managing their team and such, but the most striking example is in their monologues.
Jack: "This will be serious. Probably one of the greatest challenges we've attempted, but also the most significant. The eyes of the world are following Apeiron and Brockton Bay. They're paying for stability, but we can show them just how easily they can crumble."
Joe: "I want an offensive that leaves them no hope for escape, much less victory. I want them to lose without even understanding what they are up against and for their destruction to serve as a warning for any who would follow in their footsteps. I want to destroy the Nine as a concept."
Ultimately, they both showboating. They both want to make statements to the world. Fundamentally opposing statements: "Whatever you build, will be easily destroyed" and "Whatever was build, will not be destroyed by the likes of you. Don't even fucking dare."
Jack: "This will be serious. Probably one of the greatest challenges we've attempted, but also the most significant. The eyes of the world are following Apeiron and Brockton Bay. They're paying for stability, but we can show them just how easily they can crumble."
Joe: "I want an offensive that leaves them no hope for escape, much less victory. I want them to lose without even understanding what they are up against and for their destruction to serve as a warning for any who would follow in their footsteps. I want to destroy the Nine as a concept."
Ultimately, they both showboating. They both want to make statements to the world. Fundamentally opposing statements: "Whatever you build, will be easily destroyed" and "Whatever was build, will not be destroyed by the likes of you. Don't even fucking dare."
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