In the same way that a drop of water "dies" when it falls into a lake, I suppose. It was all made up of the same stuff anyway and the separation was just the result of environmental conditions. Or at least that's how it is under Evangelion metaphysical rules.
Advice and Trust [NGE]
In the same way that a drop of water "dies" when it falls into a lake, I suppose. It was all made up of the same stuff anyway and the separation was just the result of environmental conditions. Or at least that's how it is under Evangelion metaphysical rules.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
it would have left SEELE still in control of their resources and the world governments, while NERV and everyone in it is still labeled genocidal madmen with the most dangerous weapons ever built.
Thus letting SEELE continue to try and set off 3rd Impact while NERV is operating without support.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Does the mechanism really matter? This seems very close to the naturalist fallacy to me, confusing is and ought. The single water drop does dissolve in the large sea. And inside the single-mind humanity, there would be no "I" anymore - "I" would hence be dead.
It would not have been the end of the fight, of course, but it would have been a crucial battle won. And once that is over (and assuming Gendo's 3I can also be avoided, of course), one can fight back, releasing information, contacting governments... that's the thing: I believe as well SEELE has its tentacles in every government of the world, but I doubt many people actually want to get tanged. So once the truth about SEELE's plan begins to circulate, they will have to become far more indirect and obscured in their manipulation of world governments...
Matt R
Giant Robot Pilot
- Location
- North Dakota
Hmm... The full name for the S2 engine/organ is Super Solenoid engine; a solenoid is basically a coil, or a spiral... Is the S2 engine based on Spiral Energy?
Frankly, defeating one would have been enough to derail it -- they needed all nine MP EVAs for the ritual.
(Now picturing A&T Kaworu in S2-equipped Unit 03 with the Modified Positron Rifle and the world's biggest ghillie suit hiding somewhere near Tokyo-3 with a good all-round view. The MP EVAs descend to attack... and one immediately vanishes as its torso is cored dead-center by a particle beam, its no-longer-connected wings fluttering to the ground like falling maple seeds as the main body explodes...
Kaworu: "Please consider this to be my official notification of resignation from SEELE. Effective immediately.")
EDIT: Following that battle and the public release of details on SEELE and its plans, I suspect the Council would be desperately trying to avoid being lynched on the spot by their own secretaries and janitors. Break out the torches and pitchforks!
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Ah. I think his memory just became quantum entangled with that world where he's wearing a SEELE bomb collar
Normally I think you need take a step back and ask if there's a less loony toon solution to the problem, but you and I are saying the same things on this one. Maybe you could turn the volume down a tad, but we're on the same page.
- Location
- Canada
Quantum entangled!Kaworu should contact his other selves and build a council of Kaworus, much like Reed Richards.
They may have betrayed him in canon by sending him to merge with Lilith.Ah. I think his memory just became quantum entangled with that world where he's wearing a SEELE bomb collar
Actually why doesn't Kaworu know by now that he is detecting Lilith and not Adam?
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Probably because he's just detecting "progenitor here!" and just assumes that Progenitor is Adam. After all, that's the "official" story - even those people who know there's an angel in Terminal Dogma think it's Adam (Misato, Kaji...). And that's what SEELE told Kaworu as well.
akrasiel23
A wraith no more
- Location
- Peru
Or contact fellow looper Homura and plan with her a way to achieve their goals with the least collateral damage.
It might have to do with the fact that Gendo fused his hand with Adam, something that may have diluted Adam's call in comparison to Lilith's, besides, he was probably working with the wrong information given that Kaji also mistook Lilith for Adam in episode 15, Kaworu probably didn't realised that he was walking into a trap until it was too late for him; finally, it's a bit of a case of him being outgambited since he must have thought that whatever was hidden beneath so many layers of protection should be Adam instead of a false lead.
Edit: Ninja'ed
But he should have learned the truth from his "entanglement" with his other selves since he learned about Shinji killing him, which is connected.
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
...heh. That's true. I mean, half the reason he let himself get killed by Shinji in canon is that he discovers that this isn't Adam, but Lilith. So if he sees that death, he should also see his reasoning...
Unless those are some very specific quanta he sees
akrasiel23
A wraith no more
- Location
- Peru
Think of the original series as the trunk from which all the branches come from, only after his death and EoE is that Kaworu becomes aware of his other selves.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
He's talking about A&T!Kaworu. Who sees other worlds. Who sees Shinji killing him in countless worlds. Who hence should also know it's Lilith down there.
BadRoad
a thousand miles
Rei knows it's Lilith. She even knows about the stupid little boat (though not its purpose).
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
"Knowing" may be a bit much. She had fever dreams about it, basically.
Schpoonman
They call me the Bord of Lays
- Location
- United States
Kaworu may ONLY see Shinji killing him. Alternately, if he does see Lilith, even after floating down in front of her in NGE, he still closely examined her for several seconds before he realized the difference. If he just sees the white giant, he may not realize the difference between the two.
What IS the purpose of the stupid little boat, again?
What IS the purpose of the stupid little boat, again?
Matt R
Giant Robot Pilot
- Location
- North Dakota
The impression seemed to be that Kaworu saw glimpses of other timelines, not detailed understanding. Enough to get an impression of how things usually are, but it'll take some discussion and unpacking with Rei to bring out really useful info. Though I do wonder what Kaworu's response would be to Rei casually revealing that Lilith is hidden under NERV.
"Wait, what?"
Yes, technically Adam's down there, too (at least, as often as Gendo's down there), but does Rei know about that?
For that matter, has Gendo already fused Adam with his own hand at this point, or is Adam still in a block of bakelite in a safe deposit box or some such?
M. H. Fuzzball
Aperture Science-certified Horrible Person
- Location
- Sector 2814
According to the Evangelion wikia (as opposed to Evageeks), it was not disclosed when Gendo had Adam fused into his hand.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Akagi: If I can keep the world from ending AND let Rei keep her pet fish, would you at least consider not murdering me for all I have done??
Asuka: Maybe.
Kaworu: Wait even you?!
Akagi: Quiet fish.
Asuka: Maybe.
Kaworu: Wait even you?!
Akagi: Quiet fish.
- Location
- Canada
If anyone has not yet read this masterpiece and the godly version of Gendo contained within, you must. (Note: it contains yet another Evil Manga Kaworu [who is incredibly gay for Shinji].)
AND REMOVED. LINKING TO FULL POSTINGS OF COPYRIGHTED MANGA IS A RULE 1 VIOLATION. NOT IN MY THREAD. -- STRYPGIA
AND REMOVED. LINKING TO FULL POSTINGS OF COPYRIGHTED MANGA IS A RULE 1 VIOLATION. NOT IN MY THREAD. -- STRYPGIA
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- Canada
Yes I did. Good God in Heaven I did. It has been changed.
The Englanderish
Schrödinger's Kuudere Kitty Caliph(a)
- Location
- Califat de Chats
Out of curiosity, what was it?