No it wasn't, that was Gendo plan AFTER Yui died. If that was true SEELE would not have been so pissed when they found out what Rei really was.
The clone Pilot was always in the cards. You think Gendo wouldn't have known if Shinji was supposed to be the Pilot before that? Or that SEELE would just shrug and let him replace Shinji if he was meant to be the Pilot?

They were pissed to find out Gendo had been making backup Reis and using them to make his own Dummy Plugs, not that Rei existed. Although they may have been angry that he used Yui's DNA, but I don't know how they wouldn't have learned that in the last 10 years before the Angels arrived. Someone in SEELE had to have known what Yui looked like, and would notice Rei looking like her.
 
Everyone, hold on, I got in series proof the Human Instrumentality Plan was created after Yui joined Unit-01 (Thank you Episode 21: Birth of NERV)

FUYUTSUKI:
Where have you been for the past week?
You're allowed to grieve, but you need to be aware
that you are responsible for more than yourself now.

IKARI:
I know.
Fuyutsuki, I am going to recommend a new project starting today.
I have already proposed it to Chairman Kiel.

FUYUTSUKI:
You're not going to...

IKARI:
That's right.
The path to godhood that none have ever succeeded in before.
The Human Instrumentality Project.

I'll be damned... the book was right on the money with that one. SEELE might've had the overall goal laid out... but Gendo must've came up with the particulars on how to achieve it... just so he could game the system and reunite with Yui.

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Quick follow up information about the timeframe between Yui's disappearance and Gendo proposing the H.I.P.

According to the Evangelion Chronicle book, news of Yui's death sparked a media wildfire across Japan and various media outlets that painted Gehirn in the most scandalous light possible, a detail supported to some degree by the Evangelion Manga. Apparently, the Japanese Media believed Yui died because of a "Genetic Manipulation Test". Basically, they thought Gehirn, known colloquially as the "Artificial Evolution Laboratory", killed Yui via Human Experimentation. Given the fact Gendo vanished during that week... and has the behavior of a recluse by the time of the TV Series... Im willing to bet all blame was pinned on him by the media. This is supported by Shinji's maternal uncle in the manga blaming Gendo directly for her death.
 
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Here's one: would telling Kaworu that the Progenitor he's been tracking is actually Lilith, and thus of no use to him, affect how he felt the Call? It seemed to jar him out of his state of mind in the series, at least. Would knowing in advance that what he's seeing is a decoy, and the real thing is hidden where he can't discern its light, dial back the intensity of the Call, or just enable him to tune out Lilith and find Adam for real?

Waitasec... This version of Kaworu remembers events of myriad alternate EVA timelines. Surely he would realize that the Angel down in Terminal Dogma is NOT Adam without needing to crack open the vault to get a visual.
 
According to the Evangelion Chronicle book, news of Yui's death sparked a media wildfire across Japan and various media outlets that painted Gehirn in the most scandalous light possible, a detail supported to some degree by the Evangelion Manga. Apparently, the Japanese Media believed Yui died because of a "Genetic Manipulation Test". Basically, they thought Gehirn, known colloquially as the "Artificial Evolution Laboratory", killed Yui via Human Experimentation. Given the fact Gendo vanished during that week... and has the behavior of a recluse by the time of the TV Series... Im willing to bet all blame was pinned on him by the media. This is supported by Shinji's maternal uncle in the manga blaming Gendo directly for her death.

I think this is also supported by dialogue in a flashback Shinji experiences with claims Gendo killed his wife.
 
Why would she know that? Shinji was brought back as a last minute backup only because Rei was hurt. He wasn't supposed to be involved at all. If Rei hadn't been nearly killed by Unit-00 berserking, Shinji wouldn't have even come in. Yui might have known Shinji was able to Pilot due to the mother-child link, but in that case why not train him for the next 10 years like Asuka?
Everything after Yui's disappearance, she of course had no influence over. We know Rei was part of Gendo's plan, not necessarily Yui's. In fact, seeing as how Gendo seems to have spun his plan out of whole cloth after Yui's disappearance, I would almost certainly say Rei isn't part of Yui's plan, but exclusively her husband's little idea.

And Gendo obviously knew that Yui being inside EVA-01 means Shinji can pilot it; otherwise he wouldn't have called Shinji to Tokyo-3 for that purpose. And if Gendo knew... Yui probably did as well.

Of course she didn't know Gendo was going to use her DNA for Rei. But a Lilith-hybrid clone Pilot was always going to be made, specifically to be the Pilot, since they knew a Lilith-flesh clone with Lilith's soul would naturally be able to synch with Unit-01, the Unit literally carved out of Lilith's body.
That is not why Rei can synch with 01. Keep in mind it goes both ways: Shinji can also synch with 00. Not control it, okay, but synch with it. Also, Rei indeed synchs with EVA-01; she doesn't control it like Kaworu did EVA-02. There are no hints of her setting her synch-rate at will as Kaworu did. Also, Yui later rejects her; that makes it clear she had in fact synched with Yui. So... Rei doesn't control the Lilithian tissue of EVA-01; instead she really does synch with EVA-01's soul, with Yui.

She can synch with Yui, and Shinji can synch with the Rei in 00, because they're all related. Family... from a certain point of view ( ;) ). That is also supported by Ritsuko's comment during the cross-synch test, that Shinji's and Rei's profiles are nearly identical (and hence they can cross-synch - nothing to do with Rei holding Lilith's soul). How that is supposed to work if Yui didn't even know of her, or Rei-I of Shinji, I have no idea, but it seems to me to be a case of typical Freudian mother-child mysticism so prevalent in NGE.

It is entirely possible that a Lilith nephilim would always be made for the role to play in 3I. But that Rei could pilot 01 had always been due to her being a clone of Yui, not due to her holding the soul of Lilith. And Yui couldn't have foreseen that, that Gendo would use her DNA for the nephilim and thus make the nephilim able to pilot her unit. So it stands to reason her plan was in fact that her actions would make Shinji a pilot. And I do hold that to be detestable and disgusting.

The clone Pilot was always in the cards. You think Gendo wouldn't have known if Shinji was supposed to be the Pilot before that? Or that SEELE would just shrug and let him replace Shinji if he was meant to be the Pilot?
Meant by whom? Our argument here is that Yui meant for Shinji to become her pilot; why would SEELE care about that? And hell, the SEELE debriefing of Gendo after Sachiel shows they indeed had absolutely no clue how NERV used the vast funds they have been given. SEELE wouldn't meddle in something as minor as who gets to be a pilot. And yes, Gendo always knew Shinji was a pilot candidate; that is why he recalled him. That doesn't mean he knew Yui wanted Shinji to be pilot, or if he did know, that he cared. He had his own Scenario, after all.

And SEELE got pissed when they find out about Rei "surviving" Armisael because that made it plain as day what Rei was; before that SEELE probably didn't know she was the Lilithian nephilim.

Fuyutsuki is probably low-key just as big a piece of shit.
As I always point out, at the end of episode 14 he thinks Gendo cares too much about Rei. Also, he was a MetBio professor. It seems very likely to me he was involved Rei's creation.

If SEELE agents didn't go in and hang her, they probably gave her the rope to do it with.
Well, metaphorically speaking as well, probably. Asuka was snatched up as pilot basically as soon as Kyoko had her contact experiment; within less than a year, chronologically. That means someone knew what was up with Kyoko, and that this makes Asuka a pilot candidate. And that in turn means they probably knew what would happen at her contact experiment and didn't warn her. Instead they were probably glad that this way EVA-02 would get a soul.
 
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Okay here's the question, who outside of the pilots, wasn't a piece of shit on some level. Because at the rate we're going that list seems to be Hikari, Kensuke, and Pen-Pen.
 
Okay here's the question, who outside of the pilots, wasn't a piece of shit on some level. Because at the rate we're going that list seems to be Hikari, Kensuke, and Pen-Pen.
Oh yes. I think that is in fact a distinguishing feature of NGE. That most major characters are indeed pieces of shit. Certainly all adults. The only clear exceptions I can think of are Shinji, Rei, Kensuke, Hikari and Pen-Pen.
 
There is so much wrong with what you just said that I'm too tired to do a point by point rebuttal of that I think I'm just putting this fic on hiatus for a while. Goodnight.
 
Oh yes. I think that is in fact a distinguishing feature of NGE. That most major characters are indeed pieces of shit. Certainly all adults. The only clear exceptions I can think of are Shinji, Rei, Kensuke, Hikari and Pen-Pen.
I think you jumped the gun too quickly with Asuka, Misato, Kaji, Touji, Kaworu, Hyuga, Aoba and Maya, even Ritsuko. They have their flaws sure, some with more than the others, but they are not on the level of Gendo or Fuyutsuki nor SEELE for that matter.
 
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Oh, right, I forgot about the bridge bunnies.

As for the others, that's why I specified *clear* exceptions. For example, i don't think Kaworu really meant to betray Shinji. I don't think he had any sort of master plan at all, and would consider him of of the home guys. Still, it is a charge that can be made against him.

As for Misato and Kaji though, ehhh...
 
Oh, right, I forgot about the bridge bunnies.

As for the others, that's why I specified *clear* exceptions. For example, i don't think Kaworu really meant to betray Shinji. I don't think he had any sort of master plan at all, and would consider him of of the home guys. Still, it is a charge that can be made against him.

As for Misato and Kaji though, ehhh...
I'll say both were the best parental replacement Shinji and Asuka could have in the entire series, even with all their problems and issues. Kaworu on the other hand is, all things considered, really insensitive towards Shinji due to his use of words that he probably didn't even knew of their full weight, and considering the strength of the Call that affects all angels and that he is as socially inexperienced as Rei, he really becomes sympathetic.

I also noticed you omitted someone important from your comment too but I won't mention that person because I know how this will end between us if I do.
 
God forbid people having more than one motivation beyond 'sacrifice everything for temporary well-being of one antisocial child'.

Really both Misato and Kaji should've dropped their lives quests the second they met the children and doing anything else means they are both evil and not just damaged adults doing the best they can.

I mean Misato sacrificed her life for Shinji and died apologizing for not being a good mom, that doesn't really fit if she's an awful person through and through.
 
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I mean Misato sacrificed her life for Shinji and died apologizing for not being a good mom, clearly this means she never cared about him at all except as a tool for angel murder!
She died dragging him once again to EVA-01, against his wishes. And then once again tried to manipulate a 14 year old boy by seduction. And all in all, she was a terrible "mother" - to the child who saved the Earth a dozen times over, a boy who she sent out into life and death battles. You know what? I didn't even ask for "dropping everything in their lives", but it would damn well be justified. If it can be expected of Shinji to be a child soldier in the defence of the world, then a bit better care for that child soldier could be expected of Misato.

Though mind, her worst behaviour was against Asuka.

I'll say both were the best parental replacement Shinji and Asuka could have in the entire series, even with all their problems and issues.
And I'll say the initial plan would have been way better for Shinji: Living on his own in the Geofront. Better than living with Misato, anyway.
 
(Whistles) If I was ever this bad when it came to arguments, and in times gone by I reckon I was, then you all have my deepest apologies.
 
Stop: So Strypgia comes to me
so strypgia comes to me and he says that he has a problem. There's a guy in his Evangelion fanfic thread with really strong opinions about Evangelion. He's got more posts than the author does. He's very strident. People are often very strident about Evangelion.

And Strypgia, he says to me, Ford, I'm really tired of this. And I'm sympathetic to that. He is on deployment in Iraq. He is away from his wife and children. He has a position on the forum that makes him feel compelled to commit a lot of time and effort to its maintenance. So when he tells me he's tired, and that there's a source of argumentation that really kills his motivation to work on his story, I'm sympathetic to that, too. It's getting to him, and he thinks it might kill the story entirely.

So he asks me if this guy can be banned from the thread. And I think about this. Stryp puts a lot of work into the forum. He does a lot of work for me, specifically. Advice and Trust brings a lot of value to the forum. My position as a matter of policy is to assist authors and facilitate their stories. But I'll admit to being somewhat hesitant, it's a big step. So I tell Strypgia that I'll take a look.

And I've taken a look.

@Susano, you have almost two thousand posts in this thread. That's impressive considering that you first started posting on page 467. It's been clear that you've been a very dedicated reader and very dedicated fan. It's also clear to me that, particularly when I look over the past forty or fifty pages, that have strong positions when it comes to Evangelion and its characters, and you will firmly defend them. Where people express countervailing opinions, without any reference to you, you have many times stepped up to the plate to present the other side.

Staunch defence of positions is fine, even if it's one as bizarre as 'even Misato is a bad person', but as I wander back through the past ten or eleven months of this story, I see why Strypgia finds it tiresome. It happens over and over again. Arguments started, heels dug in, indignation at being asked to stop. I see why he's on the verge of giving up on the whole project.

As I see it what really matters here, more than anything else, is the author. Absent any compelling reason otherwise, I should give weight to an author's request. And on review I do see the kind of person who can create headaches, even being a fan of the story.

So I'm kicking you out.
 
Now can we have a reasonable discussion about who the hell was supposed to be the pilot according to SEELE, Gendo and Yui, respectively? Without making a ruckus about anybody's assumed moral failings, I mean.
 
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