Advice and Trust [NGE]
Ranma-sensei
Sorcerer
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- Citrix Receiver
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- Weatherdependent
That's a nice word for this fustercluck of nightmare fuel.
Character Notes #84 - Inter-couple relations
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- National Capital Region, USA
They talked in the Manga, and were hostile, since Asuka knew the Fifth Child was there to replace her. That's it for canon. In the games, etc, the interacted more, but there's never any hint of romance or such. A&T-wise, Asuka looks at Kawrou as a close friend of the gang (Elite Pilot like her, likes Shinji, = ok by her) and sufficiently high-quality to date Their Rei. Now that she knows #1) Rei is seriously into him and #2) he's the last Angel, she's going to have to adjust a bit, but it's still much more 'good friend, and involved romantically with my best friend' than 'I'd like to romance and bed him'.
Chronicles is off on a different trajectory from 'canon' A&T, for sure.
Events of the coming End might affect things, but the A&T Pilots aren't likely to go the PilOT4 route quite so much. They'll still all be very close, though.
Hikari is steadfastly refusing to admit to anything in A&T, and Touji knows better than to open his mouth at all. He's still more or less in a daze that the girl he was crushing on actually liked him, and is very careful about endangering that.
KSK are... exploring. They're still at an early and tentative stage, complicated by the fact they can't be fully open in public or to their families. 'Officially' both girls are just dating Kensuke as far as school knows, and both girls are not mentioning that they're 'sharing' to their families. Their parents just each think their daughter is dating a boy and close to their best friend. Internally, they're all slowly sort of tentatively testing out the idea that this might be a deeper and more emotional thing than they started out on, and with Shinji and Asuka once again acting as a demonstration for them all, are considering the idea of this being a longer-term thing. They could become something lasting, but that's something they still need to feel out, and would be slower to come to that conclusion than S&A, if they do. And even if they do, there's still the huge obstacle of explaining that all to their families in at least some manner.
Ok, so Kyoko at least has had the occasional angry fantasy of yelling in her father's face "I'm bisexual, in love with a boy and a girl, and going to marry them both!" just to see the look of shock, when they've had arguments.
Asuka would go to the knife to cover for any of the Pilots, and at least maim a few people for KSK. Shinji would back Asuka 110% on anything she goes for, and Rei would liquefy people for her loves or KSK. H/T and KSK regard the Pilots as great friends, but there's no romantic or sexual tension per se. Kyoko and Sakura really like Asuka for her 'I don't give a fuck who you love, and I will rip people's faces off if they give you shit for it' attitude, and of course think Rei is the best for pointing them to Kensuke in the first place after 'giving him up' as her boyfriend.
Hikari and Touji (Hikari more so, but both of them to an extent) are quietly grateful that S&A went to so much trouble to maneuver them to ask each other out. And Rei's flatly told Hikari she regards her as a battle-sister, to be treated as nearly family. (Since Rei's example in that is how Asuka treats her now.)
If anyone ever confronts Shinji with just how much his and Asuka's relationship has positively affected all their friends, and how those friends feel about them for it, he'd probably melt into a puddle of blushing goo. Asuka would do better only by comparison. Maybe once they're in their 20s.
Should they all live that long.
Ok, update. SV is now blocked at work. This is not good. They think SV is a 'Games' site for some reason.
OTOH, I have worked out the approximate next 2-3 scene-lets, and that will take me right into the last big scene I actually have on my notes from... uh. 2014.
Ahem. Which is 'Misato, Kaji, and the Pilots all finally get on the same page, and figure out what they're going to do with their collective knowledge'.
....ok, it is now 0113 in Iraq, and I probably should be in bed.
Critian Caceorte
Currently Suffering from Space-Time Narcolepsy
- Location
- Washington State
If I may, how exactly are you posting on the forum, then? Are they not that strict with mobile data with the army grunts as they are with other governmental employees?
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- National Capital Region, USA
The Iraqi cell network is actually shut down for data right now. They're trying to suppress some countrywide riots.
This is the USO's wifi, which I can only reach when off duty.
BG_Character_592
The Fisherman
- Location
- Australia
Sounds like Chronicles is currently in low Earth orbit, at this point
Ok, so Kyoko at least has had the occasional angry fantasy of yelling in her father's face "I'm bisexual, in love with a boy and a girl, and going to marry them both!" just to see the look of shock, when they've had arguments.
Using refuge in audacity to her favour, I like it.
And then they just accept it because they're more impressed it even happened in the first place
Hopefully not an actual puddle of goo; that would raise a few questions I imagine.
"Rei, is it even possible to blush so much your AT-Field fails?"
Rei held Shinji in a bucket. "Evidently so."
"...is he fine?"
Nodding. "He's not dead, just temporarily... not physical."
In her other hand, was a small orb. "You can hold him if you want."
"Holding my boyfriend's soul, nothing questionable about that."
"Is that a no?"
A beat.
Before she held out her hand.
"I thought so."
She threw it like it were a ball. "Catch."
To her credit, she was able to catch the both metaphorical and literal curve ball Rei tossed her. "Rei! Don't throw Shinji's soul like that!"
"He enjoyed it." She shrugged. "How does he feel?"
"Kinda warm, actually." Like it were a coin, she flipped it in her fingers. "Hey, does this count as sex or something, Rei?"
"You are fiddling with his very being, Asuka."
"Ahh, so super sex."
Just as Asuka threw said being up, he suddenly popped back into being, the two ending up in a small pile as Asuka still tried catching him.
Rei couldn't help but laugh.
Hopefully before the Seele incursion starts
Schpoonman
They call me the Bord of Lays
- Location
- United States
Wait, did Rei just nail Shinji without anyone noticing?
Matt R
Giant Robot Pilot
- Location
- North Dakota
Using refuge in audacity to her favour, I like it.
And then they just accept it because they're more impressed it even happened in the first place
Cue Kyoko's dad assuming she's talking about a Saishoudoukin arrangement, and mumbling to himself about whether it's better to be the wife or the mistress in that case. The wife has more social respect, but presumably the mistress has more fun...
(I find myself wondering if Kensuke being in the mix might make it more palatable to Kyoko's dad; at least there is a man involved, so there will presumably be grandkids to carry out the filial piety rituals and all that. As best I can tell from what I've read, the stigma against lesbianism in Japan isn't that it's immoral in the way the West views it due to its religious influences, so much as that it's immature, in that part of a grown woman's role in society is to have and raise kids.)
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But that's it, it's only what we see in canon. If one limits oneself to only what we see in canon then A&T wouldn't exist cause Stryp would have just kept the kiss scene as bad as it was in canon. It's up to the writer to take what canon does give you and try to make it bend for what you want or, failing that, add things it that work with canon.
But i thought they moved past that point when they...well the second KSK side story scene in the tent where Stryp said he's a master of "exhausted talk". Call me a romantic but I'm pretty sure doing the deed isn't something one does when they are still at the "tentative" stage. ...Even more so given the nature of their relationship.
Would he want her to have "more fun" given the fact she's his "baby girl"?
That is a good point. I gotta think that with the world almost ending they need more people to help rebuild. Even more so when the Angels are gone for good.
Yes, yes she did. Asuka doesn't know who should she be jealous of.
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- Canada
In regards to Advice and Trust, here is some dialog that comes to mind of what might happen after Gendo is beaten.
G: No! You fools! Do you have any idea of what you have done in removing me from power?
Misato: We have neutralized you so that we can focus on Seele without having to deal with you as well.
G: You really are short sighted. My plan was to keep The last angel alive so that Seele will either die out waiting or waste resources trying to have him killed. By removing me from command, it is as good as hitting the panic button for them. They will undoubtedly come at Nerv with everything they have because they no longer have any control.
Misato: You do bring up a good point. Either way, it did not change the fact that your method would continue to place the pilots in danger. At least this way, we force their hand so that the last battle will be more or less on our terms.
G: Do you honestly think you can win?
Misato: At least we believe in humanity and the future.
G: No! You fools! Do you have any idea of what you have done in removing me from power?
Misato: We have neutralized you so that we can focus on Seele without having to deal with you as well.
G: You really are short sighted. My plan was to keep The last angel alive so that Seele will either die out waiting or waste resources trying to have him killed. By removing me from command, it is as good as hitting the panic button for them. They will undoubtedly come at Nerv with everything they have because they no longer have any control.
Misato: You do bring up a good point. Either way, it did not change the fact that your method would continue to place the pilots in danger. At least this way, we force their hand so that the last battle will be more or less on our terms.
G: Do you honestly think you can win?
Misato: At least we believe in humanity and the future.
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Should they all live that long.
Don't do this to us ! I would never forgive you !
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- National Capital Region, USA
They've gone that far, yes. I was more talking about the emotional side: they're still feeling out if this is going to be long-term serious, as in 'are we just dating/teens messing about, or are we talking 'figuring out how to hide an adult relationship from our families and get a house/marriage together'.' They're feeling out the question of 'Is this the relationship I want to build my life on?' Which is quite a weighty one, more so than just dating.
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... ... ...Is that head canon or is that what you tried to convey in the story(both the main part of the fic and the side stories) cause it doesn't seem like it. In fact i dare say the feel they give off is equal to what i get from Asuka and Shinji/Rei and Fish, and not just cause KSK has done the deed and i follow the belief that "doing the deed comes after deep emotional bond"(not that one needs one to do so, but that's another conversation for another day).
BG_Character_592
The Fisherman
- Location
- Australia
I know in Chronicles, I've established that they really do want to build their lives around their relationship. One of Kensuke's incentives for getting his apprenticeship at NERV was to support them, after all. Starting off as a safety net for the two of them, in case SHTF with Kyoko and Sayaka's folks, but eventually so they could live with one another.
Though that sort of business is still in the future for them. Not until they're a bit older. Marriage is probably out of the question as well, unless they can find a loophole (ala Hangover) or they can get NERV to lobby for them.
Doesn't hurt them to plan, though
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We all got that when they were willing to eat Sayaka's horrible cooking. Anyone willing to go through eating a bad cook's food is at "lets have a baby" level.I know in Chronicles, I've established that they really do want to build their lives around their relationship. One of Kensuke's incentives for getting his apprenticeship at NERV was to support them, after all. Starting off as a safety net for the two of them, in case SHTF with Kyoko and Sayaka's folks, but eventually so they could live with one another.
Though that sort of business is still in the future for them. Not until they're a bit older. Marriage is probably out of the question as well, unless they can find a loophole (ala Hangover) or they can get NERV to lobby for them.
Doesn't hurt them to plan, though
...You know that brings up another good question; what's the marriage system like in Eva. I mean with all the talk about the bonds between people the marriage expect of it is never brought up. I mean the world ended, i can't help but think it go for an overhaul. Maybe even something like Saishoudoukin is know practiced in the modern age. ...Or again? I recall reading a LN entry on tvtropes that said something like that was actually the norm till around my grandfathers generation.
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It was stated in Chronicles.
That's what I'm thinking. Japan is an island country; when the oceans got bigger they were probably one of the countries that got hit the worst and would probably need a baby boom or two. And even if Japan didn't at least a couple other countries would. Plus laws like the ones that make surrogates illegal(i think there are a couple states that make that illegal) would be removed.
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- The Midlands.
On the other hand, in the immediate aftermath of Second Impact, increasing the population would be the absolute last thing the Japanese government wanted. The dust cloud thrown up by the "asteroid" and the increased sea levels would play merry hell with the climate, meaning at least a couple of lousy growing seasons worldwide and at least some good farmland being ruined more or less permanently, not to mention the disruption to supply chains caused by damaged infrastructure. The assorted resource wars that broke out afterwards can't have helped.
If Japan has any laws intended to promote an increased birthrate in the era when NGE takes place, they're likely to be a recent development after a decade of the exact opposite.
If Japan has any laws intended to promote an increased birthrate in the era when NGE takes place, they're likely to be a recent development after a decade of the exact opposite.
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Never said immediately after Second Impact. In fact I'm actually surprised they had enough of a government to actually fight a war. ...Heck, I'm actually surprised everything's peaceful at Shinji's canon age(the Angels not withstanding).
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- United States
Considering SEELE's substantial influence on global politics, I wouldn't be surprised if they orchestrated the conflicts to minimize damage toward key countries and maximize the damage elsewhere. Afterall, they had years to set up their fortress city. They could have discreetly moved Lilith to the USA or Europe if they felt it was in their best interest.
They probably choose Japan due to its relative isolation, and having more direct control over its military. Heck, if Australia wasn't obliterated, they might've set up there instead.
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- Australia, mate
But then the Angels would be no problem because they'd get attacked by snakes, spiders and dropbears.
Dropbear vs Evangelion, guess who wins.
I don't think they had a choice in the matter. They settled in Japan because that's where the Black Moon is.
BG_Character_592
The Fisherman
- Location
- Australia
That's essentially what I established in Chronicles, through Kaworu. Though even in Chronicles, there's a few places that Seele completely wrote off and left to whatever devices they had, the three Australia's being some of them.
Though speaking of Australia...
"So why did you request UN help, again?"
Prime Minister Andy of Australian Bendigo, holding his tinny of VB, simply pointed to the distance.
In said distance was what Misato thought was a spitting image of Matarael. "We tried using the Mortein on them, but we just ended up blowing up Ballarat."
"I'm gonna request a raincheck on that Bal Rat story."
"I was gonna say." He took a sip. "She's starting to get a bit nippy."
By 'a bit nippy', he meant this Angel sized spider was starting to trample on buildings.
"How the hell are you Australians so calm with this?!"
He shrugged. "We have a saying here, sheila. 'She'll be right'." Yet another sip. "Want one?"
"...Yeah, I could use one right now."
Andy chucked her a tinny from an esky, which she immediately ripped into. "...Huh, not bad."
"Good stuff, init?"
They clinked cans, and Misato shared a drink with the Prime Minister.
"So when's the Evangelion gonna do their thing?"
From behind them, Unit-02 bounded into the air and landed on the oversized spider, it immediately turning into snarge and painting downtown Bendigo red.
Andy blinked. "Crikey." He took a much larger sip from his beer.
"Yeah, that's Evangelion for you." She skulled her beer, since that was apparently the appropriate decorum in Australia. "So what the hell happened in Ballarat?"
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You can consider this a prequel to the Australian Bendigo omake I made over a year and a half ago