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Advice and Trust [NGE]

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So, Ive been re watching the original series.

I just saw episode 15 this morning.

Has anyone else here watched episode 15 after reading this story, and just wanted to scream with frustration at what happens in the episode?

I sat there and was like "Now Shinji! Start collapsing from loss of oxygen and hold on her to stay upright! Make it happen! Make A&T a reality! Do it! Do it, you fool! What?! No! Damn it, dont let go, dumbass! *sigh* Welp, you're all damned to be tanged..."

Ah well, I plan to read The Human Equation immediately after watching EoE again.

Besides, Daniel has already gone about fixing the canon versions of our heroes :)
 
Strypgia said:
The character archetype had been around for quite a while in anime (and still is today), but this is Eva: Anno wanted to deconstruct all the standard Giant Robot Show tropes, and show you how they could be really ugly if taken straight. So he took the standard 'tsundere girl who is mean to a boy she likes because she can't just say what she really feels' and said 'Ok, why would someone act like that? That's a pretty messed up way to deal with your emotions, so you'd have to be pretty messed up to make that how you live.' And therefore, we got Asuka and her deeply traumatic past, and terrified isolation of her heart.
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That's one of the things I dislike about Eva and its kind of deconstructions: they take literary personae models and treat them like real people, when they have always been, at their core, simplified representations of normal behaviors given a bod and put into equally fictional settings that are intrinsically just as simple and more exaggerated than reality.
 
SeptimusMagisto said:
...No.:sad:

Call me a cynic, but I honestly don't believe Shinji holding Asuka or starting a relationship with her would have fixed things nearly as neatly as it seems to in this fic.
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Actually, I agree with you there.

While it doesn't change the fact that I wish episode 15 had played out the way it did here, I do agree that realistically, it probably wouldn't have fixed everything on the spot.

I wouldn't mind reading a fic that has the same incident as its divergence point from canon, but is more realistic and true to canon. I wouldn't want it to take the path to full out darkfic, but more along the lines of Evangelion Genocide (in that it's a gritty, harsh setting with a great deal of terror and uncertainty at every step, but not so cynical that it is devoid of hope [looking at you I Knew Him When. Seriously, I have never in my life read something so viciously devoid of not only hope, but any kind of warmth at all...and I'm a Lovecraft fan for crying out loud]).

All that said, wherever this story may be on the sliding scale of realism (and as @Gryphon said, it's much more believable than many other fix fics), I steadfastly remain a huge fan of this story and all the WAFF that comes with it :)
 
Regarding the believability, I find it pretty good. Part of canon's tragedy is that things might've gone better had the characters been willing to open up. Stryp's ability to keep everyone in-character and logical use of the butterfly effect certainly helps make it more plausible.
 
Turing Decidable said:
Still falls neatly within the reach of my suspension of disbelief.
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Yeah, that's the important part. I agree fully with @SeptimusMagisto - realistically, this wouldn't have led to things getting fixed like that. However, this isn't reality with strict laws of physics, biology, psychology and sociology. It's fiction, where you can lead things to a desired result as long as you stay within the confines of a certain plausibility.

Though I would give a "successful kiss" better chances than just 50/50 to at least help to brighten things.
 
Susano said:
Though I would give a "successful kiss" better chances than just 50/50 to at least help to brighten things.
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Eh, I have to disagree. Over in my NGE quest we just went through so much drama over a successful kiss.

And more generally, romantic relationships tend not to make things easier in Evangelion. I mean, look at Rebuild - Shinji and Rei more or less got a happy little romance going, and it didn't really do anyone any favors.
 
RedDestroyer1361 said:
I wouldn't mind reading a fic that has the same incident as its divergence point from canon, but is more realistic and true to canon. I wouldn't want it to take the path to full out darkfic, but more along the lines of Evangelion Genocide (in that it's a gritty, harsh setting with a great deal of terror and uncertainty at every step, but not so cynical that it is devoid of hope [looking at you I Knew Him When. Seriously, I have never in my life read something so viciously devoid of not only hope, but any kind of warmth at all...and I'm a Lovecraft fan for crying out loud]).
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It's not what you describe here, but you'd probably enjoy Ghosts of Evangelion if you haven't read it already.
 
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