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still_guns said:
Asuka... that little sentence you tried to hide... Do I sense an israfel special in the future? :}
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samdamandias said:
Israfel Special, wooo! Of course, getting from the point of "Stupid Sexy Rei" to a stable trio is going to need quite a bit of talking with everybody involved. And it might be that they mutually agree that an Israfel Special might be in the future and now isn't the time, or something else. I for one would want to see more growth in the relationship to the point where one day the Israfel Special just sort of happens and none of the pilots think it strange.
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We've been over this, people. Unless Stryp has suddenly changed his mind, an actual Israfel Special is not in the cards.
That line was probably meant as a (pretty funny) joke, more than anything.
 
It's a joke based on a Simpsons episode, when Homer mistakes Ned Flanders for a woman after looking at his backside and looks away disgusted saying 'stupid sexy Flanders'.
 
On a more serious note, someone on Eva Geeks had posited a conjecture, based on the implications of certain behavior by Asuka, that can be basically summed up by what I wrote here: That she's "a paradoxical mix of sultriness and prudishness when it comes to sexuality" who "talks the talk, but is very likely to be unable to walk the walk if any of the males she was attempting to tempt (namely Shinji and Kaji) had actually reacted positively."

Now tell me, would it be farfetched to theorize that canon!Asuka may have been bisexual all along, with her feeling homosexual attraction towards such females in her life as Misato, Rei, and maybe even Hikari? And that before Misato came along, she had been raised/conditioned to see homosexuality as an aberration (not uncommon in Western societies)? The conflict between socially ingrained homophobia and her own budding homosexuality could be a good explanation for part of her increasing abrasiveness towards Misato and Rei: she hates that they're evoking such "unnatural" feelings in her, and is even further pissed off by her own powerlessness in trying to deny such attraction (especially since she has reasons to hate both of them -- Misato for "stealing" Kaji's attention; and Rei for being seemingly a doll-like automaton, a one-sided rival for Shinji's affection, and the Nerv Commander's favorite).

Her hooking up with Shinji in this story must've done wonders to her mental state, in this light.
 
MarqFJA87 said:
Now tell me, would it be farfetched to theorize that canon!Asuka may have been bisexual all along, with her feeling homosexual attraction towards such females in her life as Misato, Rei, and maybe even Hikari? And that before Misato came along, she had been raised/conditioned to see homosexuality as an aberration (not uncommon in Western societies)? The conflict between socially ingrained homophobia and her own budding homosexuality could be a good explanation for part of her increasing abrasiveness towards Misato and Rei: she hates that they're evoking such "unnatural" feelings in her, and is even further pissed off by her own powerlessness in trying to deny such attraction (especially since she has reasons to hate both of them -- Misato for "stealing" Kaji's attention; and Rei for being seemingly a doll-like automaton, a one-sided rival for Shinji's affection, and the Nerv Commander's favorite).
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I personally don't see it, I can't think of a single scene or line in the Canon series that would imply bisexual tendencies in Asuka. The reasons for her spite towards Misato and Rei are as you already explained, and I struggle to see any kind of sexual connotations behind them, to be honest; Hikari is just her friend and, once again, nothing is portrayed to imply that there are any other underlying feelings.

It's been a long time since I watched Eva, so I could be forgetting an important details from an scene or two in regards to the question, but Asuka always struck me as strictly Heterosexual. It's still an interesting question, though.
 
khazit said:
(2R,3R,4S,5S,6R)-2-[(2S,3S,4S,5R)-3,4-dihydroxy-2,5-bis(hydroxymethyl)oxolan-2-yl]oxy-6-(hydroxymethyl)oxane-3,4,5-triol
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it greatly displeases me to see anything related to work on the weekends, so I didn't even try. And since I've been spoiled by colloquial names, IUPAC has failed to go beyond academic exercises in my head. Give me a structure though and watch me gush at it.

MarqFJA87 said:
On a more serious note, someone on Eva Geeks had posited a conjecture, based on the implications of certain behavior by Asuka, that can be basically summed up by what I wrote here: That she's "a paradoxical mix of sultriness and prudishness when it comes to sexuality" who "talks the talk, but is very likely to be unable to walk the walk if any of the males she was attempting to tempt (namely Shinji and Kaji) had actually reacted positively."
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She's a fourteen-year old with a brain of a 21-year-old... I'm not surprised that she's actually still quite immature. In a sense, that's kind of how I looked like entering highschool age, so I guess that kind of assessment checks out.
 
For some reason, I can't shake the feeling that, while this was truly planned out as a Shinji/Asuka story(admittedly with an emotionally intimate Rei), the Israfel Special idea has just been sitting behind him while he writes this, staring at him and going LOL.
 
God I forgot for carpet like this when I read through it.

Good thing I did though. Also, that Israfel special is slowly sounding better and better to Asuka...
 
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Strypgia said:
They could just make out the blonde hair of the spectacled boy at one table, with a girl on either side of him.
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Kensuke's a guy, so that should be "blond hair."

MarqFJA87 said:
And that before Misato came along, she had been raised/conditioned to see homosexuality as an aberration (not uncommon in Western societies)? The conflict between socially ingrained homophobia and her own budding homosexuality could be a good explanation for part of her increasing abrasiveness towards Misato and Rei: she hates that they're evoking such "unnatural" feelings in her, and is even further pissed off by her own powerlessness in trying to deny such attraction
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While we're talking about homophobia, I have a theory that gay rights had a serious retreat after Second Impact. Even without the frummers saying it was God's punishment, there'd be a huge drive to repopulate the planet. Gays and lesbians would be expected to "lie back and think of England," bisexuals would be seriously pressured into getting together with somebody of the opposite sex, and trans folk would be browbeaten and cajoled to delay their reassignments until after they popped out a few kids.
 
I don't think that's the case. I heard somewhere that population growth actually started to shrink without the influence of the impact wars.

It might be something from a fanfic, but I'm not sure.
 
TheDarkFreak said:
For some reason, I can't shake the feeling that, while this was truly planned out as a Shinji/Asuka story(admittedly with an emotionally intimate Rei), the Israfel Special idea has just been sitting behind him while he writes this, staring at him and going LOL.
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Pretty much! This began as a one-shot AsuShin scene, with Rei not even in the picture! And when I did sit down a year ago and plot it out all the way to the EoE point, AsuShin was still the main concept. Rei was meant to be friendly, but not... this. It just started happening as I wrote. The entire scene with the drugs in Rei's apartment was made up as I wrote. Then I sat back and looked at it and thought... "Huh. This could go somewhere..."
 
Hexokinase said:
it greatly displeases me to see anything related to work on the weekends, so I didn't even try. And since I've been spoiled by colloquial names, IUPAC has failed to go beyond academic exercises in my head. Give me a structure though and watch me gush at it.
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it's just sucrose :p - a.k.a cane sugar.
 
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Gryphon said:
We've been over this, people. Unless Stryp has suddenly changed his mind, an actual Israfel Special is not in the cards.
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I didn't say it was. I specifically said it would take a lot more development (possibly beyond the plotted end of this story) to reach that point.
Strypgia said:
Then I sat back and looked at it and thought... "Huh. This could go somewhere..."
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It looks like it is going somewhere
 
samdamandias said:
I didn't say it was. I specifically said it would take a lot more development (possibly beyond the plotted end of this story) to reach that point.
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Honestly, it would be all too easy to send things down that road at this point. Rei would not object at all to Asuka just saying 'fark it', and grabbing her. She wants to love and be loved, and already loves them. She's just aware that attempting a trio is not a simple thing. But no matter how it turns out, they're all going to be very close from now on.
samdamandias said:
It looks like it is going somewhere
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Minor spoiler:
Rei's emotional openness and relationship with Shinji and Asuka will be key to how the end plays out, though I won't say how.
 
Gryphon said:
I personally don't see it, I can't think of a single scene or line in the Canon series that would imply bisexual tendencies in Asuka. The reasons for her spite towards Misato and Rei are as you already explained, and I struggle to see any kind of sexual connotations behind them, to be honest; Hikari is just her friend and, once again, nothing is portrayed to imply that there are any other underlying feelings.

It's been a long time since I watched Eva, so I could be forgetting an important details from an scene or two in regards to the question, but Asuka always struck me as strictly Heterosexual. It's still an interesting question, though.
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She doesn't have to show any signs of such tendencies. She could be that good at repressing them (if not completely in denial about it), to the point that only her homophobic reaction to said tendencies acting up would manifest (which would probably be later on, when her lagging behind Shinji and Rei worsens her psychological state and leads to her becoming increasingly volatile and temperamental).

And the bit about Hikari... well, it could partially explain why she hates Touji so much -- that it's not enough he's a "stupid stooge" who deliberately and not deliberately keeps riling her up, but that he's "stealing" Hikari for himself (and of course, she would refuse to admit to herself the real reason she's possessive towards Hikari, instead trying to pass it off as her "duty" as Hikari's "best friend"). And it would be made even worse when Hikari sticks to Touji's side even after his accident, as well as when Hikari tries to comfort her when she sleeps over at the Horakis some time after Arael's mind-rape.
 
Ranma-sensei said:
She hands Asuka the key to Instrumentality, because she's got the stronger will and is less likely to break, mentally.
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I wouldn't peg Asuka as being less likely to break. She's always looking externally, since her inner thoughts are where her weakness comes from. It's part of why the Angel mind-rape messed her up so much: She couldn't push away the memories. Here, she has a newfound pillar of stability in Shinji, but her own mental foundations are still made of clay, so to speak.

My speculation for how it ends: Rei decides on her own. She's seen how Shinji and Asuka came together despite their traumas, and how beautiful their love for each other is, and how they love and care for her. She's seen what the right thing to do is.
 
Strypgia said:
"Stupid sexy Rei..."
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... What have you done!? I've just imagined the entirety of A&T with Asuka, Shinji and Rei replaced with Homer, Marge and Flanders. ;_;


Strypgia said:
Pretty much! This began as a one-shot AsuShin scene, with Rei not even in the picture! And when I did sit down a year ago and plot it out all the way to the EoE point, AsuShin was still the main concept. Rei was meant to be friendly, but not... this. It just started happening as I wrote. The entire scene with the drugs in Rei's apartment was made up as I wrote. Then I sat back and looked at it and thought... "Huh. This could go somewhere..."
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That pretty much sums up how I GM my shadowrun group. And for some reason the players think I'm the best GM ever. So making it up as you go along seems to actually be a pretty good method.
 
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