She doesn't have to show any signs of such tendencies. She could be that good at repressing them (if not completely in denial about it), to the point that only her homophobic reaction to said tendencies acting up would manifest (which would probably be later on, when her lagging behind Shinji and Rei worsens her psychological state and leads to her becoming increasingly volatile and temperamental).

And the bit about Hikari... well, it could partially explain why she hates Touji so much -- that it's not enough he's a "stupid stooge" who deliberately and not deliberately keeps riling her up, but that he's "stealing" Hikari for himself (and of course, she would refuse to admit to herself the real reason she's possessive towards Hikari, instead trying to pass it off as her "duty" as Hikari's "best friend"). And it would be made even worse when Hikari sticks to Touji's side even after his accident, as well as when Hikari tries to comfort her when she sleeps over at the Horakis some time after Arael's mind-rape.
I think you're over thinking things to try and fit the story into a preconceived perception

Like how conspiracy theorists can find evidence to support their conclusions when what they're citing as evidence is totally unrelated. Not meaning this in an insulting way, mind you, but that's generally how those kinds of things go.
 
She doesn't have to show any signs of such tendencies.

Well no, she doesn't necessarily have to show them. But if we apply that kind of logic to our theories all validity pretty much goes out of the window; We have to base those theories on a believable something. Otherwise, anyone can be anything.

Following the logic you propose, Kensuke could indeed be a ladies man. And we all know that's ridiculous.
 
... What have you done!? I've just imagined the entirety of A&T with Asuka, Shinji and Rei replaced with Homer, Marge and Flanders. ;_;
More appropriate when you remember Shinji and Asuka are gender flipped versions of characters Anno liked.

Also, where did the term "Israfel Special" come from, and how does that relate to threesomes.
 
Also, where did the term "Israfel Special" come from, and how does that relate to threesomes.
It came from Chapter 4.2 and was used by Asuka to specifically describe a Shinji/Asuka/Rei threesome, to tell him he wasn't getting one.

Me, I would love it if Stryp finished A&T as straight AsuShin, and then wrote a divergence of A&T (A&T Rebuild: You Can Not Have the Israfel Special?).
 
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it's just sucrose :p - a.k.a cane sugar.

Someone spoiled it to me, yes... At this point, I have lost all hope at IUPAC's (largely inelegant) naming conventions. I'm a biochemist, so I don't have to deal with those for the molecules I'm more concerned about. But since I'm looking toward a job at the academe, I shudder at the thought of having to teach...that to younglings.

Honestly, it would be all too easy to send things down that road at this point. Rei would not object at all to Asuka just saying 'fark it', and grabbing her. She wants to love and be loved, and already loves them. She's just aware that attempting a trio is not a simple thing. But no matter how it turns out, they're all going to be very close from now on.

So Rei is actually feeling romantic love towards Shinji and Asuka? I was inclined to think that it was actually an exploration of more than that. I'm not at all objecting towards Rei feeling Eros, but initially I chalked it up to either Storge, Filia or Agape. Those concepts of love you don't see often in fanfiction, and while I would like to see them explored, many other people would rather focus on Eros.

She doesn't have to show any signs of such tendencies. She could be that good at repressing them (if not completely in denial about it), to the point that only her homophobic reaction to said tendencies acting up would manifest (which would probably be later on, when her lagging behind Shinji and Rei worsens her psychological state and leads to her becoming increasingly volatile and temperamental).

What's easier to justify, though: Asuka being a closeted homo(bi)sexual and her interaction with her peers is her repression talking, or she has a raging superiority complex stemming from lots of trauma? I think Occam's Razor prefers the latter.

I think you're over thinking things to try and fit the story into a preconceived perception

My thoughts exactly. If you squint your eyes and tilt your head, you can justify almost everything. Even Tommen's cat being Azor Ahai.
 
Someone spoiled it to me, yes... At this point, I have lost all hope at IUPAC's (largely inelegant) naming conventions. I'm a biochemist, so I don't have to deal with those for the molecules I'm more concerned about. But since I'm looking toward a job at the academe, I shudder at the thought of having to teach...that to younglings.
I took that IUPAC name from Wikipedia :p. I'm studying medicine, so we just kind of skim through biochem. I certainly can't name Sucrose in IUPAC.
If that's the things he does to characters he likes I don't want to know what will he do to characters he doesn't like :(.
Why do people think this post Funny :cry:
 
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On a more serious note, someone on Eva Geeks had posited a conjecture, based on the implications of certain behavior by Asuka, that can be basically summed up by what I wrote here: That she's "a paradoxical mix of sultriness and prudishness when it comes to sexuality" who "talks the talk, but is very likely to be unable to walk the walk if any of the males she was attempting to tempt (namely Shinji and Kaji) had actually reacted positively."

So your typical hormonal teenage girl then?

Now tell me, would it be farfetched to theorize that canon!Asuka may have been bisexual all along, with her feeling homosexual attraction towards such females in her life as Misato, Rei, and maybe even Hikari?

Umm... yes, it would be farfetched.

There is no evidence for this anywhere in canon.

Homosexuals account for less than 3% of the population, and bisexuals less than 2%. Those numbers are for men, and it has been speculated that lesbians are an even smaller percentage among women, but that bisexuals are more common. There are no real statistics on it, although the total is again unlikely to be more than 5%. Thus, without any evidence in canon, it is indeed... farfetched.

And that before Misato came along, she had been raised/conditioned to see homosexuality as an aberration (not uncommon in Western societies)? The conflict between socially ingrained homophobia and her own budding homosexuality could be a good explanation for part of her increasing abrasiveness towards Misato and Rei: she hates that they're evoking such "unnatural" feelings in her, and is even further pissed off by her own powerlessness in trying to deny such attraction (especially since she has reasons to hate both of them -- Misato for "stealing" Kaji's attention; and Rei for being seemingly a doll-like automaton, a one-sided rival for Shinji's affection, and the Nerv Commander's favorite).

Why would Misato have anything to do with changing Asuka's feelings towards women?

I'm sure there were other women in her life before Misato. Unless you are trying to hint that "non-Western" culture exposure was important? Hate to break it to you, but actually homosexuality is marginal in Asian culture too, including Japan. Sure the Japanese don't think of it as a sin like Christianity does, but they do believe it is a sign of serious immaturity and mental health problems.

In fact, historically it's Western culture that has the greatest acceptance of homosexuality (see Greece, cradle of Western civilization). You seem to be confusing "Western" with "Christian."

Additionally, you already explain why Asuka acts abrasively towards Misato and Rei, and those are far more likely and persuasive reasons for her behavior than Asuka secretly being a self-hating lesbian.

Asuka has problems, but being a self-hating lesbian is not one of them.

While we're talking about homophobia, I have a theory that gay rights had a serious retreat after Second Impact. Even without the frummers saying it was God's punishment, there'd be a huge drive to repopulate the planet. Gays and lesbians would be expected to "lie back and think of England," bisexuals would be seriously pressured into getting together with somebody of the opposite sex, and trans folk would be browbeaten and cajoled to delay their reassignments until after they popped out a few kids.

I doubt there was any browbeating of transexuals to delay their reassignments, rather that any kind of elective surgery just dropped off the list of things that were being provided anymore. What with the whole struggle to survive effort going on. I expect breast implant surgeries also disappeared virtually over night.

She doesn't have to show any signs of such tendencies. She could be that good at repressing them (if not completely in denial about it), to the point that only her homophobic reaction to said tendencies acting up would manifest (which would probably be later on, when her lagging behind Shinji and Rei worsens her psychological state and leads to her becoming increasingly volatile and temperamental).

:facepalm:

I see. Everyone is gay, is because everyone is just suppressing the gayness because of homosexual self hate.

A more perfect example of "begging the question" could not be presented than this.

I'll have to remember this argument next time I'm teaching logic.

And the bit about Hikari... well, it could partially explain why she hates Touji so much -- that it's not enough he's a "stupid stooge" who deliberately and not deliberately keeps riling her up, but that he's "stealing" Hikari for himself (and of course, she would refuse to admit to herself the real reason she's possessive towards Hikari, instead trying to pass it off as her "duty" as Hikari's "best friend"). And it would be made even worse when Hikari sticks to Touji's side even after his accident, as well as when Hikari tries to comfort her when she sleeps over at the Horakis some time after Arael's mind-rape.

Or maybe, you know, Asuka thinks Toji isn't good enough for Hikari, just like she says.

Or she could be jealous of Toji taking away her friend's attention, even though her relationship is platonic. That is a thing you know.

I must say, I do resent this "all gay, all the time" thing in Western culture that has made it so that now any close relationship between two men is interpreted as signs of being gay. Are we going to start doing this to women too?

Is that the new thing now?
 
I must say, I do resent this "all gay, all the time" thing in Western culture that has made it so that now any close relationship between two men is interpreted as signs of being gay. Are we going to start doing this to women too?

Is that the new thing now?
You don't watch anime much, do you? /kidding.
EDIT: Also, RWBY fans. They Ship.
 
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Rei's new emotional openness will enable her to save the world from instrumentality by singing a heartfelt song that stops the fires of war and makes Seele chill out.

Kinda like the ending of that paragon of video games, Final Fantasy X-2.

This is surely the correct answer, I can't see how it could possibly fail.
 
Rei's new emotional openness will enable her to save the world from instrumentality by singing a heartfelt song that stops the fires of war and makes Seele chill out.

Kinda like the ending of that paragon of video games, Final Fantasy X-2.

This is surely the correct answer, I can't see how it could possibly fail.
Why couldn't you have said RahXephon

Just

Why

Or even Macross would have worked
 
I must say, I do resent this "all gay, all the time" thing in Western culture that has made it so that now any close relationship between two men is interpreted as signs of being gay. Are we going to start doing this to women too?
There is nothing new in Anglophone culture (I can't comment on other Europhone cultures due to lacking the appropriate immersion) about speculating that two people of the same sex who show a close personal relationship - even where there is no unambiguously romantic or erotic component to the public face of their relationship - are engaged in an erotoromantic relationship with one another. Such speculative interpretations of the behaviour of men and of women are more visible these days, partly but not exclusively thanks to the new wonders and new horrors of the World Wide Web, but they're hardly new.

I mean, Kirk/Spock fiction is older than I am.
 
I mean, Kirk/Spock fiction is older than I am.

"Older than I am" = the level of historical perspective in today's youth...

Oh hell... I've become an old man grumbling about the "kids these days"

PS: For those wondering what anime I've been watching... well my first anime was Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers, and for the record, back then no one thought that there was any homo-subtext in the friendship between Eric Venture and Derek Wildstar.

Yes... I'm that old... I'm actually from the pre-Evangelion anime era. (There is some awesome analysis floating around about how drastically EVA changed anime. Driving the shift from post-apocalyptic to moe).

Funny thing: did you know it was considered unmanly not to have homosexual relations in ancient Greece?

In Corinth, and Thebes.

In Athens though it was the other way around.

History is a lot messier and patchwork than people like to believe.
 
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Character Notes #70 - Rei's Feelings For Shinji & Asuka II
So Rei is actually feeling romantic love towards Shinji and Asuka? I was inclined to think that it was actually an exploration of more than that. I'm not at all objecting towards Rei feeling Eros, but initially I chalked it up to either Storge, Filia or Agape. Those concepts of love you don't see often in fanfiction, and while I would like to see them explored, many other people would rather focus on Eros.
Rei is experiencing all four, really. Plenty of Storge, total Philia, and a recently awakened to intense Agape (her epiphany in the tube that the Scenario requires the eradication of her friends' love, and that this makes it unacceptable, and that Rei will do anything she has to to protect their love. Protecting her loved ones is now more important to Rei than Instrumentality, or indeed, her own selfish happiness.). Coming off the drugs added a full-bore teenage body's load of Venus to it as well, which blended very easily into raging Eros under the combination of the others and Rei's observation of Shinji and Asuka's enjoyment of it. Rei realizes the difficulties of pursuing Eros with them, but feels it keenly anyhow. She wants Shinji and Asuka to be happy and know she loves them, and since that's where they are now, Rei can abide. But if the other two made it clear they wanted Rei to join them, she'd be in their arms in a red hot second. Rei's love for them is very much unbounded, and she's on board with pretty much anything that makes them happy. She's finding out my own definition of love: Their happiness is her happiness.

And yes, I'm aware of the humor in that this is Character Note #69. :V
 
She's finding out my own definition of love: Their happiness is her happiness.
Heh. Reminds me of the old secret my dad told me. "The secret to a happy, loving, long-lasting marriage is two simple words: Yes Dear".
Also, Instrumentality control choice now spoiled: it's clearly both Shinji and Asuka. :p
Now to look up just what those wierd greek words were and what they have to do with emotions...
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Agape has... unique connotations for Rei's situation.
 
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Now to look up just what those wierd greek words were and what they have to do with emotions...
The four loves. Storge the fillial/paternal love shared between kin. Philia the brotherly (or sisterly) love that forms the basis of a strong and long-lasting friendship. Eros depends on the translator, but is usually thought of as some combination of romantic/sexual love. (Ranges from "What light through yonder window breaks" to "Heeeey bay-be"). Agape, the selfless love. Agape doesn't translate into English well, but is the sort of love in "No grater love hath a man than this: that he lay down his life for his fellow man."

Agape is often viewed as the highest or purest of the four loves, while Eros is the basest, but that's because it's kind of hard to tell where the line betwen plain lust and Eros is.
 
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