To elaborate on the tsundere thing:

A person doesn't just switch from tsun to dere and back; they give signs. Granted, we men tend to miss or get them after the fact, but they are there nonetheless (I usually always know afterwards why my wife ticked out, either by figuring it out or her hissing me her cause).

And Asuka does give those signs, too. So somebody on staff did their work and made her a proper character to deconstruct the archetype. Ergo, she doesn't just codify the tsundere, by Japanese standards she is one.
 
So kinda like the Scottish :p

GROUNDSKEEPER WILLIE IS A TSUNDERE?!

"It's nae like I like yoo or anything bahkah!"

Well that's an idea. Asuka except she's Scot instead of German :p
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"You seem like a fine young lass."

Asuka put down her bagpipes to talk with this stupid kid. "Oh aren't ye a wee barra? Think I'm some kinda hole, don't ya! Ya come near me and I'm turn ya groin inta puddin!"

"Oh now, don't be li-"

The bagpipes squawked as they were suddenly jabbed somewhere sensitive. "Ya goon! These are me good pipes too!"

Shinji watched on from his cello. "Holy shit, I think I'm in love."
~

:V
 
Ranma isn't wrong. Japanese culture dictates that therapy is a scam and talking about your problems or trauma is a very bad thing. Evangelion was as much a commentary on that as anything.

Meanwhile in the west everyone likes to pretend Asuka in canon was a good person, so it evens out. Before anyone says it, there's a difference between as sympathetic backstory and a sympathetic character. What happened to Asuka was beyond vile, but that's no excuse for taking it out on other people to make herself feel better.

This incidentally is the other reason canon!Asuka isn't really a Tsundere. She doesn't actually love _anyone._. The only person she loved abandoned her.
 
This incidentally is the other reason canon!Asuka isn't really a Tsundere. She doesn't actually love _anyone._. The only person she loved abandoned her.

That's not true at all. She very much develops feelings for Shinji as well as an arguable case with Kaji. We even have WoG on this. The problem is really severalfold: she doesn't recognize what those feelings mean. Her self-hate drives her to deny those feelings. Her driving Shinji away means he doesn't really have any chance to reciprocate. And if she did overcome all of those other problems, as is the case in this fic, then the resulting love would still be a dangerously unhealthy one for her. In A&T that isn't as much an issue as it could be because the dependency is mutual and there really is no chance of Shinji ever betraying those feelings for the same reason there isn't any chance of Asuka doing so. But if Shinji were someone who didn't love Asuka that much and was much more unscrupulous then that dependency would turn the relationship very abusive, very fast as Asuka would be desperate to do anything to keep Shinji by her side. And if Shinji did leave her anyways... well, then Asuka would most likely follow the example of her mother.
 
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... And if Shinji did leave her anyways... well, then Asuka would most likely follow the example of her mother.

I don't think she will choose suicide that easily. She did that few days after mind rape and losing her reason to live. It depends when AxS happen. After 3I? After mind rape? Before that? I think she would regress to her earlier behavior aka 'I don't need anyone. Others will only hurt me.' rather than ending her life. She found her reason to live after all in EoE and came back.

What happened to Asuka was beyond vile, but that's no excuse for taking it out on other people to make herself feel better.

When I was 14 I met dozens of more verbally abusive or violent people than Asuka. Maybe because of that I really don't find her that mean or aggressive.

Did she act like that to make herself feel better? I don't remember it like that but I watched NGE long time ago.
 
I don't think she will choose suicide that easily. She did that few days after mind rape and losing her reason to live. It depends when AxS happen. After 3I? After mind rape? Before that? I think she would regress to her earlier behavior aka 'I don't need anyone. Others will only hurt me.' rather than ending her life. She found her reason to live after all in EoE and came back.

Her suicide attempt in episode 24 was as much a cry for help as it was seeking death. Had she just been trying to seek death, she'd have hung herself or some other more effective means then slashed wrists if hanging proved too much of an imitation of her mother for her to handle. Oh, and she wouldn't have started whimpering that she didn't want to die when the JSSDF first started shooting at her in EoE.

I could see what your saying happens if she gets into a relationship and then the person goes and gets killed. An unintentional leaving. Although undoubtedly she'd be even worse. In the specific case of A&T, should Shinji get killed by the JSSDF or whatever and Impact isn't an option, then the supporting relations Asuka's built with Rei and Misato and the other would cushion the blow somewhat. The blow would be devastating and she'd still revert, but it would be a less harsh reversion.

On a similar note if it was A&T!Asuka who got killed by something then the supporting relationships do mean that Shinji wouldn't go 100% Gendo. More like around 80%.
 
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Did she act like that to make herself feel better? I don't remember it like that but I watched NGE long time ago.
it wasn't so much for her to feel better. it was a mask. she didn't want to show her true feelings, even if she understood them. she did not want to need anyone. and poor shin-chan took the brunt of it. when she started noticing the feelings for him (when? that depends on who you ask really) she did that to hide those feelings. and anyone that tried to get close to her felt the tsun.

IMO Stryp has nailed her profile perfectly. those that use aggression to mask vulnerability are typically the ones that give every bit of themselves to whatever they are involved in... the relationship in A&T shows that very well.
 
Well that's an idea. Asuka except she's Scot instead of German :p
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"You seem like a fine young lass."

Asuka put down her bagpipes to talk with this stupid kid. "Oh aren't ye a wee barra? Think I'm some kinda hole, don't ya! Ya come near me and I'm turn ya groin inta puddin!"

"Oh now, don't be li-"

The bagpipes squawked as they were suddenly jabbed somewhere sensitive. "Ya goon! These are me good pipes too!"

Shinji watched on from his cello. "Holy shit, I think I'm in love."
~

:V
This reminds me of certain Samurai Jack things. Particularly involving the (official) comic in which some Leprechauns turned both Jack and the Scotsman into women.
 
Eh? The modern interpretation of a Tsundere isn't that. The modern Tsundere is still fundamentally someone who is insecure about her feelings towards a love interest and hence reacts harshly towards (or about) that love interest, especiallywhen the possibility of intimacy with them is raised. While the archetype has spread into the yuri genre, whether the love interest in question is sapphic or not is really beside the point and "hating men" is in no way regarded as part of the archetype, although it can be. Whether she uses violence in her "Tsun" reaction, and how much violence she uses, is more a question of how harsh her "Tsun" side is rather then whether she is Tsundere or not and is applied regardless of the gender of the love interest (I have seen yuri manga where the tsundere is violently Tsun to her love interest).

I was honestly being sarcastic, although I would describe the modern Tsundere as an exaggeration that makes her negative traits worse.

The modern Tsundere DOES seem to be more defined as afraid of sexuality than anything else. Hence the stereotype of constantly crying "pervert!".

Wandering off topic for a moment, now that I've started watching Darling in the Franxx it's obvious Miku and Zorome are a by-the-book pairing of Tsundere with Jerk with a Heart of Gold. (Hopefully once he starts showing he HAS a heart of gold, anyway) I liked that their synch display showed that they were both off the scale, but fluctuating wildly, obviously because they were struggling for dominance. The Rei-like Ichigo, by contrast, was solid as a rock, perfectly matched to her partner and not wavering in the least.


I'd hang a lampshade on it...

I think what everyone in this thread ignored in all the discussion is that the tsundere is a mostly Japanese concept, born out of the classic Japanese way of not talking about it. By that definition, many western characters would fall under tsundere, except that they mostly ultimately talk about their feelings.

I would counter that Princess Leia, Diane from Cheers, Maddie from Moonlighting and probably Ivanova from Babylon 5 fall under the definition of Tsundere. The Japanese version may take not talking about it to the extreme, but ultimately I think it comes down to fear of rejection, and that's universal. That's probably what's so attractive about it, too. We can all empathize. (And think we'd do better)
 
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I tried to make this a follow-on, but never mind...

To elaborate on the tsundere thing:

A person doesn't just switch from tsun to dere and back; they give signs. Granted, we men tend to miss or get them after the fact, but they are there nonetheless (I usually always know afterwards why my wife ticked out, either by figuring it out or her hissing me her cause).

And Asuka does give those signs, too. So somebody on staff did their work and made her a proper character to deconstruct the archetype. Ergo, she doesn't just codify the tsundere, by Japanese standards she is one.

And to elaborate again, I think the Flanderization of the Tsundere plays down the predictability and plays it off as, "oh, she's just being moody".

Even the Modern Tsundere should have well defined hot buttons. They may seem like nonsense, but if you're smart enough to figure them out, you should be start enough to stop pressing them.
 
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Even the Modern Tsundere should have well defined hot buttons. They may seem like nonsense, but if you're smart enough to figure them out, you should be start enough to stop pressing them.
It's not a question of 'smart enough' if your mouth sometimes runs without consulting your brain. The downside of being a fast talker comes if you talk faster than your brain does its thought processes, and speaking more slowly is a hard-learned and mostly conscious skill (at least for me, so maybe I am not smart enough).

I sometimes see the train wreck coming while my mouth is busy getting me into a jam. :confused:
 
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Well that's an idea. Asuka except she's Scot instead of German :p
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"You seem like a fine young lass."

Asuka put down her bagpipes to talk with this stupid kid. "Oh aren't ye a wee barra? Think I'm some kinda hole, don't ya! Ya come near me and I'm turn ya groin inta puddin!"

"Oh now, don't be li-"

The bagpipes squawked as they were suddenly jabbed somewhere sensitive. "Ya goon! These are me good pipes too!"

Shinji watched on from his cello. "Holy shit, I think I'm in love."
~

:V



Somebody please expand on this

We need more Scottish!Asuka in our lives
 
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*snip*

Somebody please expand on this

We need more Scottish!Asuka in our lives

Hmm… Asuka's mom married a Scott instead of an American, specifically a Glasgewian (and boy did Second Impact do a number on it!). Because Kyoko had a temper of her own, theirs was something of a mutual tsundere relationship. Despite some violent habits (none directed at his daughter or wife, thankfully), he wasn't as much of a dick as Asuka's father, genuinely cared for her, didn't remarry when Kyokou died, and stuck around to raise her. Hence he rubbed off heavily on Asuka. Ironically, this means that Asuka is actually more stable than canon even though she comes off as less stable.
 
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Hmm… Asuka's mom married a Scott instead of an American, specifically a Glasgewian (and boy did Second Impact do a number on it!). Because Kyoko had a temper of her own, theirs was something of a mutual tsundere relationship. Despite some violent habits (none directed at his daughter or wife, thankfully), he wasn't as much of a dick as Asuka's father, genuinely cared for her, didn't remarry when Kyokou died, and stuck around to raise her. Hence he rubbed off heavily on Asuka. Ironically, this means that Asuka is actually more stable than canon even though she actually comes off as less stable.

Or - to build on that further - how about much-loved, old-school grandfather who helped raise Asuka after his son was killed during the second impact (if we're going by A&T age Asuka).

Bonus points if he's Glaswegian
 
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But why Glasgow? Why not a proper Highlander from Inverness?

Even adds some room to play with the legacy of the Scottish Play.

Glasgow has a reputation.

Actually, if we want to talk about alternative origins, "Neon Genesis Evangelion Abridged Series" basically all but states that Asuka is from Joisey, what with her accent and all.
 
Comedy Omake #88 - Blu-Ray Chronicles 1.11
I'm glad Scottish!Asuka has become a thing :V Asuka MacDougal Soryu, hailing from Glesga.

Though lets go back to the regular Asuka for a bit, because I cooked up another fresh instalment of Chronicles! NERV deals with it, Kaworu goes soul searching, and they watch themselves again!

"So, how the hell am I meant to get this working on my computer?"

The elder Aida shrugged. "I only requisitioned the thing. Last drive they had in stock, according to them. I don't think many computers nowadays would support DVD anyway, since it's a bit of a dead standard."

Kensuke looked over the plastic box, essentially just an external caddy for an otherwise internal drive. "Guess I'll just have to find code for it."

"If it even works on that Silicon of yours."

"I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Thanks again Pops, I owe you one."

"Don't mention it kid." He messed Kensuke's hair, and made his leave. "Consider it a late birthday gift."

Kensuke inspected the drive further. Firewire. This was good, his computer had a 1394 port that worked sometimes.

So, he did what anyone would do, and connected it to his machine. The drive powered up but nothing happened system side.

"Keh. I knew it wouldn't do anything."

The modem buzzed as he logged. He imagined it would take a good while before the drive would work. But he was determined. It took him months and a majority of his part time work to get this Gods forsaken computer he found by a corporate skip bin working again. But considering its specs, it was better than any other consumer computer on the market, even with the odd architecture requiring Kensuke to either find specialised software on some long forgotten web server, or begging on comp.sys.sgi for something, or to actually code for it. Considering it was a pre-2I machine as well, that was saying a lot about the absolute state of the post-2I consumer market.

But stagnating markets were not his concern at the moment. What was his concern, was finding a driver for this device, somewhere on the wild wild net. Maybe Usenet had something. Gods forbid he had to code a driver for it. And then he'd have to find the right player for it, or code-

Arms wrapped around him, breaking his train of thought with a fright. "Whatcha tinkering with now, Ken?"

He nuzzled into Kyoko. "Dad gave me this thing, it's something I can use to see what's on those discs we found."

"Huh. Sweet."

"If I can get it working."

"Less sweet. Ya got that trashcan of a computer working though, ya should be able to get that working, Ken."

"We'll see Kyoko. We'll see." He looked around. "Where's Sayaka?"

"Shopping. She wanted to try her hand at cooking something tonight."

"How d'ya think she'll go?"

"She set off the smoke alarm making toast, Ken." She deadpanned. "It might suck but we'll still eat it, cause we love her, don't we?"

He chuckled. "Yeah."
~

Asuka held Shinji. He was oddly calm. "So he's alive."

"Yeah."

"...How the hell did he even get into the core anyway?" An incredulous Asuka queried, still holding.

"Working theory is his soul somehow ended up there." Ritsuko was looking over a whiteboard, scattered with various information. "At least that son of a bitch got what he wanted in the end. No offence, Shinji."

He shrugged. "I know. He doesn't really have a great name around here."

"That's the understatement of the decade." Asuka deadpanned. "So Shinji's alright, Doc?"

"Yeah. He may have a bit of bruising here and there, but he's all good."

Shinji looked around the room. "...where's Maya?"

"...she's... sleeping. She didn't react well to the berserker event, and was injured."

Silent acknowledgement between the pilots. "May we make our leave then?"

Ritsuko nodded. "You two are dismissed. I think you have a debrief Shinji."

They made their leave.

Ritsuko stared at the whiteboard.

She flung it to the floor in wavering anger, ditching the marker at it. "Damn you Gendo Ikari!" She kicked it. "Damn you to hell!"

No one hurts her Kohai. Maya was currently sedated in a ward and Ritsuko was still busy working, trying to understand exactly what happened. She wanted so badly to be with her, but Gods damn there's just some things you can't ignore. Like the former commander somehow ending up in the core of one of the Evangelions.

She kept kicking in impotent rage against him.

Rei and Kaworu watched on from the open doorway. "Is this a bad time, Doctor?"

Ritsuko turned to the doorway, frozen, seeing the two Nephilim witnessing her breakdown.

"...no, it's fine. Come in."

They closed the door behind them, as Ritsuko sheepishly put the whiteboard back up. "We knew, Ritsuko."

She took a seat and lit up, taking a drag before replying. "...when did you find out?"

"Remember during a previous sync test, my rate fluctuated slightly?"

"...did she tell you then?"

"Yes, because I determined there was another presence. She told me not to tell anyone. Was her 'project', she said."

"...project."

Rei shrugged. "I don't know for sure, but considering what she found about the discs through Shinji and I."

"She wouldn't even think of hurting him, even if he did deserve it. She loves him too much."

"...I think he'd do it to himself, if that would happen. I didn't have the greatest glimpse of his light when I found it, but it was weak. Faded. Like it had been wandering for a while. If Yui was a beacon, he was but a candle, close to its end of its wick."

Ritsuko thought. "His soul would've been weakened before he found a way into the core. You two know how the wandering soul works, right?"

"We may not have a degree in Metaphysical Biology, but we know innately about the mechanics of the soul, due to our nature." Kaworu gave his two cents. "A wandering soul, a soul with no AT-Field, can be for however long their constitution dictates, but eventually they are called to rebirth. It's one of the many natural process of this world, such as the water cycle or the Lunar phases."

"Which is how life goes on, despite death." Ritsuko recalled her education. "It still doesn't explain how he found a way into Unit-01 though. And in this supposedly weakened state."

"I know better than anyone how the wandering soul works." Spoke Rei. "A core can capture a soul. We know this empirically. A core could store multiple souls. We also know this empirically. You have devices to find and salvage wandering souls. And I know that the wandering soul has some autonomy. It tries to seek out somewhere, something, seemingly significant to it. Eventually it would be drawn to rebirth, one way or another. Either by finding a new shell, as I did, or a new life."

"Can they resist that process?"

"It weakens the constitution, but yes, they could resist. It's ultimately a futile endeavour however; eventually they will become so weak that they cannot resist rebirth. I believe his soul was resistive, unaccepting of his death. Hence his weaker light."

Ritsuko snuffed out the cigarette and rummaged through a cupboard. "...can you see them? Wanderers, I mean?" She bought out a machine, appearing like a waist worn oscilloscope attached via a thick cable to a PDA with wide antenna. "You already know of the Recovery Device. It's what we used when we salvaged your soul."

"I can sense them. If I concentrate, I can visualise them." She closed her eyes. There weren't any wandering souls in the vicinity of the Geofront, only the light of others. Ritsuko's machine would've backed this fact up, had it been powered.

"Seeing the light of living beings is trivial for me, as they have the AT-Field. Wandering souls don't have this. Instead of appearing normally to me, they appear to me like a ball of iridescent light, floating around seemingly aimlessly. I'd liken it to a firefly."

"I cannot see these wandering souls unfortunately. Possibly due to my opposing nature. Whereas even I, with said opposing nature, can see the light of the AT-Field."

Rei became introspective. "I can even commune with them sometimes, depending on their constitution. Give them comfort. Try to get them to accept what happened. Send them to rebirth. It's the least I could do for them."

Ritsuko was taken aback by this. "...that's... very compassionate of you, Rei. There's definitely a surplus of people who met untimely ends who wouldn't accept what happened."

"Like the former commander. I submit that he wandered to Unit-01, something that was important to him, and was taken into it, intentionally or not. What she did with his soul is known only to her. Though I think she lost control of his soul during the berserker event."

"That would explain the erratic core activity, I suppose." More writing on the board. "You think he tried taking control of Unit-01?"

"Potentially, but he was not able to once Ikari found out what he was trying to do. And we can tell she was upset at the events."

More writing. "I think Yui might not want to sync with Shinji for a bit. You might have to talk to her about this."

"I can do that. I assume there will be a few days notice beforehand."

"Yeah. Unit-01's currently in suspension, so it may be a while."

"I'll expect a call in a day then."

Ritsuko rolled her eyes, putting the pen away. "We may work fast, but not that fast, Rei. I'm gonna go check on Maya. You two can try getting more headway into this." She made her leave, brisk in pace.

Rei and Kaworu investigated the whiteboard, now with a reasonably sized pit in the middle of it.

"I think we know more than her about this."
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Misato shut the door to the room, and turned on the safelight, slumping down against the locked door. "Christ, I need a drink." There was Napoleonic brandy in Gendo's old office, but Goddamn does that stuff taste like dirt. Plus, her plea was futile anyway, as she had a policy to not drink on the job; that was for after work.

She just mainly needed some peace and quiet. Away from all the paperwork.

She took off her gloves, and looked down at her hands. They were reddened and burned, already beginning to peel in some places. She gripped her hands a few times, brief shards of pain accompanying them.

"God damn it Yui... What the hell are you playing at." She looked up. The photos were developed at this point.

She took them down and put them away. There were questions to be had with the resident soul of Unit-01. Whether or not she answers them though, is unknown.

For now though, maybe it would be good to distract everyone with a movie.
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"...I would've expected you to have a stronger reaction to this, Shinji."

"...I was thinking the same thing." He admitted to his partner. "I think I'm just ambivalent to it all."

"Even though it involves him."

He gave a grim chuckle. "Weird, is it? My own father practically hijacked me and tried getting into my head, but I don't really give a damn to it all."

"Well, you could simply be telling yourself that, you realise."

He grew quiet. He scooted closer to her.

"...you were just telling yourself that, weren't you?" She wrapped her arms around him, cooing. "You baka. It's alright, Shinji."

"...why is he back?"

"I don't know. None of us do. Ritsuko's working her ass off trying to figure out what went wrong, along with stressing about Maya. Rei and Kaworu said they wanted to try help her. Misato's probably drowning in papers, or booze. Or both."

"...and here we are, brooding in the lockers."

She gave him a look. "You're the one brooding, Shinji."

"...Okay, I'm brooding in the lockers, and you're comforting me."

"...your brooding is fair enough though, I suppose. I know for a fact you hate him for what he did, to you and us and practically everyone. Maybe your mum was just trying to reintroduce him to you, not knowing the extent of how badly you disliked him."

"...that's possible, I suppose. The conversation we had was... odd, though. He seemed... quiet. Almost simple. I almost felt sorry for him."

"...sounds like he wasn't himself. Death must've been hard on him."

"Not just that though. He became... enraged. It was unlike him. I think he saw something when my mother gave him more autonomy in the Eva, to communicate with me."

"...do you think it was like Unit-00 in the discs?"

Shinji prompted her to explain.

"Well, Unit-00 saw either Gendo or Ritsuko through the observation window. And it went berserk and tried to kill them."

"...so he might've seen someone, and caused the berserker event?"

"That's what I'm thinking."

"Who though?"

"I'm not sure, but we know there were three people down in Terminal Dogma when he met his end. Rei, Ritsuko, and..."
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"...Maya?"

Maya stirred. Ritsuko was sat down next to her bed, holding her hand. Her eyes locked with Ritsuko's. "...sempai? you... you waited for me..."

"Of course I did, Maya." She cooed. "You did the same for me."

"...but... you have so much more on your plate... i'm just a technician..."

Ritsuko rested her head on the bed bound Maya. "You're more than that, Maya..."

Maya looked on, wide eyed.

A hand drifted slowly to Ritsuko, resting on her. "...you didn't have to wait for me, Ritsuko... considering what happened. you would've had a lot to deal with..."

Ritsuko gave a few quiet chuckles, quietly revelling at her touch. "Rei and Kaworu know more about what went on than I do anyway."

"...they do? How did they find out?"

"Who knows. Their powers might as well be arbitrary at this point."

That got a few laughs out of the drugged up Kohai. "What can they do now?"

"Seeing wanderers. Though that's more just Rei's thing."

"...wanderers... that's what the PKE meter's for, yeah?"

"Yeah. It's not called that, but yeah."

"...That sounds like something in a book I've read. She sees pyreflies."

"...pyreflies?"

She nodded her bandaged head. "Sparkling light that represents life energy. In this story, when someone dies, they simply don't just do whatever the hell the soul does in our world. Their spirit has to be guided to its final rest, especially if they don't want to go. You can tell they pretty much mixed Met Bio and folklore, least what I know of the two."

'Well what do ya know.' Thought a bemused Ritsuko. "Continue explaining this mechanic, Maya."

"Okay!" She got cheery, as Ritsuko settled in, still resting on Maya. "So there's these people with powers..."
~

"...so, kaiju stay in that world based on their own envy of the living, and unsent remain based on their strong will. And someone trained can send them to the afterlife." Ritsuko parsed what Maya explained.

"Yeah. Strong willed dead can manifest themselves into their own image, and stay for an indefinite amount of time."

"...so you can just have dead walking the Earth."

"Yep."

"At least we don't have that. Zombies would just be the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is our world."

"Not all of them are bad. One of the protagonists is a zombie, as you say." She continued resting her free hand on her Sempai. "Is what Rei doing similar to that?"

"...Sounds like it."

"...are we calling what she sees Pyreflies then?"

Ritsuko chuckled. "I don't see why not. You already call the Recovery Device the PKE meter. Lets just throw more pop culture references into a paramilitary organisation."

"Aren't you two sweet." Misato announced her presence, causing Ritsuko to shoot up, and Maya to giggle. "You doing alright Maya?"

She nodded. "The drugs helped. Do we know why Unit-01 went berserk?"

"Asuka gave me her theory, that it was like Unit-00 in the Laserdiscs."

"Oh?"

"Unit-00 was potentially triggered into a berserker state by the sight of either Gendo or you, Ritsuko."

"...do you think Unit-01 seeing me triggered the berserk?" Maya murmured.

"...potentially. If Gendo did indeed temporarily assume control of Shinji's Evangelion. We don't know that for sure though; we're not touching Unit-01 for a few days, and Shinji isn't going in that thing for at least a week. Rei and Asuka want to give her a piece of their minds first."

"...There's gonna be fireworks then."

Grim laughter from Ritsuko. "Asuka was livid. She said she was gonna 'climb into its core and kick Yui's ass herself'."

"Sounds just like her." Maya giggled. "So when can I be out of here?"

"The nurses said you can be out of here in a few hours. You might have to go without your Sempai for those few hours though, since there's still a few things on the agenda."

"That's alright Misato. As long as she can pick me up."

"I can arrange that."

"You'll be fine without me, Maya?"

She nodded, smiling. "I'll be fine Sempai. Go do your job." She gave her a kiss.

"Heh, lovebirds. Also, Ritsuko, do you know where Rei and Kaworu got off to? I'm thinking we could watch those weird discs you found later to get our minds off things."
~

A few hours later, almost everyone was gathered in the lab. Ritsuko had already picked up Maya from the ward, and they were in their seats. Kaji was able to make time once Misato convinced him.

Rei and Kaworu rushed into the room, having received the commander's call. "What is it Misato?"

"Movie. We're watching it with Ritsuko and Maya, plus everyone else and Kaji. I thought it'd be good to distract ourselves from what happened today."

"Man, you got everyone here. Must be a good movie." They took their seats in front of some dangerous looking screen.

"Just you wait and see."

The film started.

"...oh you are fucking kidding me."
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Key:
Shinji (S) Asuka (A)
Rei (Re) Kaworu (Kaw)
Misato (Mi) Kaji (Kaj)
Ritsuko (Ri) Maya (Ma)

Here we go again...

S: "So it's just the same thing again?"
Ri: "Red water though. Our seas aren't like that, in fact that's more akin to how the Laserdisc world was after Third Impact."
Mi: "And Japan was never in such a state after Second Impact."
A: "Who the hell would even draw a chalk outline of that! That looks like a damn Eva, I thought they weren't even deployed before Sachiel."
Ri: "They weren't. Least in our world."
Ma: "At least we know immediately this world will be different from ours. No blindsiding over halfway through the series."
Re: "We don't even know if the mechanics of this world are the same compared to ours. There are so many things that could be different."
Kaj: "There already are."
Mi: "A colour screen in my car? What the fuck, why don't we have that!"
Ri: "Forgetting the fact colour LCD's are prohibitively expensive, even for us? And Renault isn't exactly the epitome of luxury either."
A: "At the very least, this looks a whole lot nicer compared to the Laserdiscs."
S: "Even compared to our own world it looks nicer! I never had a cell phone that early!"
Kaw: "Some things are still the same, at least."
Rei saw her apparition. "This world is doomed."
Ma: "Oh don't be pessimistic Rei. Surely these versions of you won't make the same mistakes as last time."
Literally everyone glared at Maya.
~

Fourth Angel
Kaw: "Hello again, Sachiel."
Mi: "Y'know, not many things are different so far. Considering how much has changed."
Ri: "If the scrolls are the same, then the order the Angels came in should be similar. Sachiel was the Third."
A: "Not many things are different? It's pretty much been a shot for shot remake of the show!"
Ma: "Sachiel never grew a halo though."
Kaw: "We cannot know of the capabilities of my kin in this rendition. This has already diverged from what we consider prime."
A: "Good to see the military are still completely useless though. At least that hasn't changed."
S: "They're still useless, even while we face the MP-Eva."
Re: "I don't recall them even responding during our fights against the MP-Eva anymore."
Kaj: "Speaking for the UN, they all thought spending taxpayers money on deploying useless hardware against these beasts was a waste. Especially in the aftermath of the invasion of the Geofront. So now instead they're wasting it on other pointless endeavours, like the Indo-Pakistan situation."
S: "So NERV pretty much has full autonomy in Tokyo-3?"
Ri: "We already did. The Magi already administrate the city. It only makes sense that we have more power than most other organisations, considering our mission and responsibilities in protecting the world from devastation."
Ma: "Well, more devastation."
~

N2​
A: "Yep, that was still useless too. Much larger fireball though."
Kaj: "Wonder if they're making up for the visuals of the Laserdiscs."
A: "Good! That was one of my many complaints about those frisbees."
S: "Why would they remake what was already made though?"
Kaw: "It wasn't Gainax who made this though. Khara."
Ri: "If Gainax doesn't exist in our world, then I doubt Khara exists too."
A: "How would they even get the rights to it, if Gainax first made it?"
Re: "Your thinking is linear, Shinji and Asuka. We don't know if this is from the same Earth as the Laserdiscs."
Kaw: "And considering the differences between the two so far.
A: "...oh shit, you're right. This could've come from another world than the Laserdiscs."
Ma: "One with apparently more progress. Especially considering they came on those weird discs."
Mi: "Least my car's still the same. Ish."
S: "Our conversation wasn't like that though, was it? This one feels more... abridged?"
Mi: "Yeah, it does. Though we don't really know what'll be different now. That'll just be one of the many small changes in this odd world."
~

Regenerate
A: "Wait a minute, fourth?"
Mi: "What the hell? Even the Angels are different?"
Ri: "Or an Angel was added. In our world, there's Adam and Lilith, then there was Sachiel."
Kaj: "Another progenitor, maybe?"
Ma: "Does Adam or Lilith even exist in that world?"
Ri: "Second Impact obviously occurred in that rendition, though I daresay our Second Impact was tame compared to this one's."
Re: "Considering our oceans never turned to blood red."
S: "Though you can't really call something like Second Impact tame, no matter the world."
Kaw: "...they speak of the Fruits this early."
Mi: "That isn't our damn logo. What is that even meant to be?"
Ma: "The leaf is still there. Not sure of the other elements. An... egg, maybe?"
Mi: "...Rits, make sure you get a few captures of this film when you have time. I think we can get some decent things from it."
Ri: "...you intend on changing our logo to that? It looks more cluttered."
She shrugged. "I'll get it printed onto something, see if I like it or not."
Ri: "And when people inevitably question on why you suddenly wanted to change the logo?"
Mi: "Moment of creativity." She shrugged
A: "Another thing that's the same is Gendo."
Ri: "He's still the same son of a bitch he always was."
~

Facility
Mi: "...NERV isn't that industrial. I don't think I like that aesthetic."
A: "Looks kinda grim. At least those mile long escalators and hallways are all well lit."
Maya leant over to her Sempai and whispered, "You still look hot in a swimsuit, Ritsuko."
She smiled and suggested, "Maybe I'll wear something like that later on."
Misato rolled her eyes. "Lovebirds."
Kaj: "Coming from you. No one here can cast the first stone on that matter."
Mi: "We're probably the most mature of everyone though."
Kaji raised an eyebrow at her.
She snickered. "Okay, Ritsuko and Maya are probably the most mature of everyone here."
Kaw: "...is it just me, or does LCL look more red in this rendition?"
Re: "...no, that's definitely red, Kaworu."
S: "It really is like blood."
A: "What's wrong with orange? Though I suppose red LCL matches my plugsuit better."
~

Strange and Mournful Day
S: "Great. So it looks like I'll still be booted into the Eva."
Ri: "I thought it would be foregone, considering the general scenario has been similar so far."
A: "And your dad's still as cold as a witch's ass."
S: "Some things never change..."
Kaw: "I'm sure there's worlds where he's decent."
A: "This is the third of those worlds we've experienced, including ours. He's currently 3 for 3 on the asshole meter."
Shinji sighed. "At least we know for sure that these people aren't us."
Kaj: "Indeed. They may look and sound like us, but they will not be us."
Mi: "It's still gonna make us feel like shit when we see us get shafted though."
S: "Like me getting shafted right now."
Ri: "Considering the situation, your trepidation was somewhat understandable. Even though you still had to do it regardless, cold it may sound."
Shinji shrugged. "Watching these things kinda gave me perspective on how I was, but considering what I've been through."
Kaw: "...So that means he will still use blackmail on you, won't it?"
S: "Probably."
Rei rolled in.
S: "Yes."
Steam emanated from Kaworu.
Re: "Will you combust like you did last time?"
Kaw: "...no. I think."
Ma: "...i can see why that would make you angry, Kaworu."
Kaw: "I'm glad he's gone."
Maya became pensive.
~

Sortie
This pensiveness was broken. "What the hell is that graphic?"
Ri: "Plug depth. Though it looks much more advanced compared to our own display systems."
Ma: "If by advanced you mean more frivolous. Why would you need 3D graphics for an organisation like us?"
Ritsuko shrugged. "Maybe Khara wanted to show off their capabilities, make it looks more futuristic."
Mi: "Even though NERV is as futuristic as you can get on this Earth."
A: "That world must be set in damn 2050 then."
Kaw: "They definitely have had more work put into technology like that. It is possible Second Impact could take place at a later time, I suppose. We haven't been given a solid date yet, to my knowledge."
Re: "If the mechanics of Second Impact even apply to this world. And I would assume the general timeline would be similar, despite the changes."
Mi: "Why do you need 3D graphics to show the locks disengaging? What a complete waste of computing power!"
S: "I would've though the Magi would be able to do something like that."
Ri: "They could. 3D graphics are simply a collection of polygons on a cartesian plane, which is just relatively simple geometry. You could display 3D shapes on a damn Famicom if you wanted to. But it's not the computers that would be the problem in this situation, it's the screens. The graphics are of an absurdly high quality for what they need to do, our displays wouldn't be able to handle such things."
Kaj: "Though that could just be the video. And something else I noticed, NERV keeps switching between our logo and the other logo."
A: "Even with all this extra cash, Gainax still can't get some details right."
Kaw: "Khara." He corrected.
Asuka rolled her eyes. "Khara then. Damn it, I'm gonna have to rewire a few things in my head."
~

Battle
S: "Good to see this went as well as it did." He deadpanned.
A: "Pretty much a failure?"
Ri: "It's not a failure if the Angel gets defeated."
Mi: "Even if it required his mother handling things for a bit."
Maya looked away from the carnage.
Re: "Odd. They didn't tell this via flashback."
Kaw: "Khara would've gone down another path when it came to telling our story. Especially if this has come from another world compared to the Laserdiscs."
Sachiel suicided into a giant cross.
A: "...good to see they still like using references to such a foreign religion." She mocked.
S: "Can we really call it a reference if it actually happened though?"
Re: "There was never a rainbow."
Ma: "And it didn't rain... wait, is that-" She gagged.
A: "Damn, and I thought we could be bloody with battle."
~

Train of Thought
A: "Oh great, we're already getting to the trains."
Re: "...that's still the same though. I was practically his daughter."
S: "Considering how he treated me, that's not a good thing. I'm not sure how I'd be thinking about that though."
A: "Who even knows at this point Shinji. We don't even know if our backstories will be the same."
Kaw: "So far it seems the same though, or similar enough, at least for Shinji. We don't know enough about you or Rei, or others."
Kaj: "Then again, we're only around 20 minutes into this. They probably explain more later."
Kaw: "Probably. We'll see."
Mi: "Jesus christ, I hope that wasn't the aftermath of Sachiel. That looks worse than how Tokyo-3 looked after Armisael."
~

Occult
Kaj: "SEELE is different? There were 12 members of the inner council."
Kaw: "And they aren't even bothering to use their aliases of the Human Instrumentality Committee this time. Odd."
A: "Also, the logo seems different."
Kaw: "More cluttered, in my opinion. They obviously tried to compress more symbolism into it, as if they wanted to appear more occult."
Ritsuko observed. "There's the apple of Adam, and the Serpent, plus the regular occult eyes we see on Lilith's mask. Not sure about the German, mine isn't particularly up to scratch nowadays."
Asuka rolled her eyes and read. "Überm Sternenzelt richtet Gott, wie wir gerichtet. Above the starry firmament God judges, as we judged."
Kaw: "The Ode to Joy." He noted.
A: "So it's either more occult bullshit, or they're music snobs."
Mi: "Jesus christ it is the aftermath of Sachiel. If we had to deal with such a cleanup after every Angel, we would've gone broke by Ramiel."
Ri: "It would save on cleaning up the massive corpses they could leave behind, at least."
Ma: "What about the pattern on the back of the monoliths, Nagisa?"
He thought and observed. "Symbolism? The checkerboards would be Masonic in origin, symbolising the duality of man. There is also the all seeing Eye of Providence."
Re: "...no other significance?"
Kaworu shrugged. "If there was, I wouldn't know. Our SEELE never had this imagery, not on the monoliths or anywhere in their facilities. Even the Mask of Lilith only appeared sporadically. When you work from the shadows, the last thing you want is an identifier. I'm sure the me of these discs would know what it means, if I even exist in these discs, but I can only speculate."
~

Quarter
Ri: "This phone call was still the same." She glared at the commander.
Misato feigned offence. "I would never!"
Ri: "We saw the Laserdiscs, Misato. You would."
A: "If she did, I would rip her head off. No offence Misato."
Mi: "If I ever got to that point, I'd welcome it." She deadpanned. "Maybe if Kaji didn't end up dead, I wouldn't have tried doing that to Shinji."
Kaji sighed. "I'm not gonna die on you, Misato. I got too much on the line now."
Mi: "You bet your ass you do Kaji! You end up burned and I'll recover your soul just to kick your ass!"
Kaj: "Knowing you, I don't doubt it."
Ma: "Lovebirds." She echoed.
Ri: "You'd think she was tsundere for him."
Ma: "Misato's practically dependent on him. No offence ma'am."
Mi: "None taken. I know I'm dependent on him. Like how pretty much everyone here is dependent on their counterparts."
Ri: "Normally I'd say that was unhealthy, but considering I'm a bit dependent on Maya, I can't exactly say that without sounding hypocritical."
A: "You can't? If anything were to happen to my Shinji, whoever did it would suffer for eternity at my hands."
Kaw: "I'm sure that's the same story for any of us."
Ma: "Considering how... violent you guys can be when one of you gets injured in battle."
~

Home
Kaw: "It still impresses me how the city can just sprout from nothing like that."
Re: "One of the many achievements of humanity."
A: "...I can't believe this. Your place is even more of a pigsty then it was in reality, Misato!"
Most of them chuckled at the sight.
Misato had her head in her hands. "I don't even like Doritos..."
A: "That's what you focus on? Not the ocean of canned coffee, sake, Yebisu and damned Pizza Hut boxes?"
Kaw: "We have Pizza Hut here?"
Ri: "It was one of the few American businesses to have survived Second Impact here, thank the Gods."
Kaw: "Why was I never told of this?"
A: "Khara probably included all these name brands for more money anyway." She muttered in scorn.
S: "Probably, but considering how good the film looks, they obviously needed the money."
Re: "Especially considering the Laserdiscs, and how much you complained about the quality of them, Asuka."
Ma: "And you really led this life, Misato."
Mi: "You probably think less of me now, Maya." She groaned.
Ma: "A bit, yeah. Least you got over it."
Kaj: "Even though it took Shinji to get her out of it."
Ma: "...even though you're still indecent. Ma'am."
Misato shrugged it off. "Being indecent is fun though Maya! I know for a fact you two can be quite a bit indecent when you think there's no one around!"
Maya became a strawberry.
~

Toothpick
S: "Oh Gods, why does this have to be the same..."
The room burst out laughing.
A: "That never gets old."
Ma: "Man Misato, you're so lucky to have a penguin for a pet."
Mi: "He's quite a nice companion. Better than the average dog or cat."
Ri: "Cats can be alright too, you realise."
Mi: "Is your cats smart enough to read the finances?"
Ri: "...Why would Pen-Pen even be interested in stocks anyway? He's a bird, he can't hold stocks!"
Misato shrugged. "You'd be surprised what Tosho-2 allows when you show a NERV ID."
Ma: "...He has stocks?!"
Mi: "I don't see what the fuss is about."
A: "He isn't very good at it though," She giggled, "but it's harmless fun and he enjoys it."
Shinji chuckled. "He once invested in a company whose sole product was a ¥40000 juicer."
Misato burst out. "That was great. Bought their stock when they were ¥99 apiece, and when the company folded a few months later, they bought out his stocks for less than a single Yen."
Kaw: "Apparently there just isn't a market for ¥40000 juicers."
Kaj: "What a surprise there." He deadpanned.
Maya and Ritsuko just looked at the group in shock, as they concluded her apartment was a den of chaos.
~

Familiar Ceiling
Re: "I assume my injuries were still the result of Unit-00."
Kaw: "I think it's safe to assume that generally, events will proceed the same. They seem to be following the same path as the Laserdiscs, just in a different form."
A: "There's already been differences though. It's actually kinda obvious this rendition came from another world than the Laserdiscs."
S: "Do we know if it came from the same person?"
Ri: "The discs had no labelling on them, and came in no significant case. We would have to wait for the credits to know for sure, but it's certainly possible it's another rendition of Hideki Anno."
Kaw: "I would've expected that. It makes sense the same idea could persist between worlds."
Re: "And sometimes that idea is the world."
A: "I'd say it's more than sometimes, considering our world is that idea." She winced at Toji's actions. "And I still need to hit him."
Ma: "...they skipped a bit of it, didn't they? Wasn't there a whole section where Shinji goes to school, and everyone finds out about his piloting?"
Ri: "Not in this rendition, obviously."
A: "So we are just to believe they somehow found out about him being a pilot." She deadpanned. "If I hadn't already seen the Laserdiscs, I'd be confused about how such a secret could be found out by those two stooges."
Kaj: "Are you gonna point out every difference between the two Asuka?"
A: "Yes. Because I already have the Laserdiscs as a standard to look out for, especially considering the Laserdiscs followed our lives to the letter, until the 8th disc at least."
~

Call of Duty
A: "Odd. Somehow the simulator looks worse than it did."
S: "Forgetting that it's still a trigger pulling simulator."
Ri: "Taxpayers." She huffed. "Also we don't have bespoke simulators like that. That's practically a simulation body!"
Ma: "We normally just interface directly with the sensory inputs of the Eva, don't we?"
Ri: "Yeah, it's simpler just to emulate input and output to an Evangelion, though I admit it takes a while to connect an Eva to the interface. Maybe the us of that world thought that downtime to be unacceptable."
Mi: "...that doesn't sound like too bad an idea actually, what they did. It does take hours to connect the Evas to the simulator interface, during which the Evas have to be taken off active deployment, whereas with a bespoke simulator like that, it could potentially be used in minutes while allowing the Eva to remain on deploy."
A: "It would also allow us easier access to the simulator, without all the various restrictions."
Ritsuko was actually seriously considering it. "It would be expensive to make a simulator design akin to how the other NERV did it though. We know how it looks like, but looks don't mean anything when we don't know the mechanisms behind that machine. Though, it would be nice to reduce the turnaround of the simulator as it is now." She scratched some notes.
Ma: "If anything, you can at least add the idea to the pile and send it down the line, like most of our ideas."
~

Ski Lift
Mi: "Why don't we have something like that?"
Ri: "Misato, if you try to incorporate every idea from this film into our NERV, we're gonna go broke."
Mi: "So far though, this NERV is blowing our NERV out of the water."
Ma: "I dunno, most of the things they have seem similar. We both have a Magi, for example, and there's no reason to assume their Magi is more capable than ours. Unless you count the eye candy, but we're paramilitary. We don't need eye candy like that."
Kaw: "About the only thing they have that seems a genuine improvement over our technology is the Eva simulator. The rest we have, albeit looking less fancy."
A: "I kinda like our aesthetic though. It's grown on me."
Ri: "Good, cause it's not changing. Not over my dead body. I'm far too used to it, it'll interrupt our workflow."
Mi: "Every change to the systems I propose breaks your workflow." She deadpanned.
Kaj: "They are the administrators of said systems, you realise."
~

Shamshel
Kaw: "Shamshel's looking... different."
Ma: "Is it just me or does it look more... red?"
Kaw: "That was not her colour. She was a more purple, black colour."
A: "So not even the Angels are gonna be the same?"
Re: "We don't know for sure. I feel like that's been said a lot."
Mi: "...holy shit, those battlements! That's awesome!"
Ri: "No, Misato."
Misato pouted like a child.
A: "Considering said battlements are almost completely useless in battle."
Ri: "Unless your goal is to-"
The movie's Ritsuko echoed her exact sentiment.
They chuckled.
Ri: "As I said."
~

Fight
Ma: "Looks like those two still snuck out."
A: "Morons."
Ri: "We chewed them out enough. They wouldn't make that same mistake again."
A: "They just did though."
Ri: "In this world, they won't make the same mistake again."
Re: "Speaking of mistakes though, the battle with Shamshel."
S: "Yeah, that could've gone better."
A: "Not your fault Shinji, you were only taught one strategy."
Kaw: "An ultimately ineffective strategy, considering Shamshel was different compared to Sachiel."
Mi: "We talked about this the first time we watched this scene. We didn't anticipate the Angel this early, and we were still trying to teach him basics."
Ri: "I'm surprised things didn't end up as bad as I expected. Considering Shinji didn't return when he was told."
Shinji sighed. "I wasn't in the right-"
Mi: "Headspace."
Ma: "I'd say that was fair, considering what happened."
The battle raged on.
Kaworu sighed. "Still ended the same. Though she remained for a while in our world, didn't she?"
Mi: "Shamshel? We were actually able to study it and the S2 engine, thanks to Shinji's little stunt. Guess we don't even have that in that reality."
A: "That appears to be a thing with these Angels. Sachiel also ended the same way, didn't it? Exploding into blood rain, making a rainbow."
Ri: "It would've saved on the cleanup effort, I suppose. We would've only had to invest in mops and waterproofing."
~

Runaway
Mi: "Least you understand why I had to chew you out, Shinji."
S: "Well, yeah. Even if I did defeat the Angel, I still disobeyed orders."
Ri: "They weren't even moronic orders like what the previous commander would do. Least with his I could understand why you would disobey them."
He shrugged. "At least she didn't throw me in the brig."
A: "Though he still ran away."
S: "He was almost certainly going through what I was going through though. At the very least they don't spend 15 minutes focusing on it."
Mi: "And at least he wanted to go back, instead of being forced back by Section 2."
A: "Section 2 actually seem competent in this rendition. It seemed like they were able to follow Shinji all the way."
Ri: "Even though he still noticed them."
S: "I'm not that perspective."
Kaw: "They do stand out a bit, considering they're meant to be secret. It was rather easy to shake them off, in my experience."
Kaj: "So that's another thing this NERV has over our world's NERV. Actually competent security."
~

Honour
S: "Say what you will about Toji, he has some honour."
A: "A weird kind of honour. Though maybe that's just a man thing I'll never understand."
Mi: "Testosterone's a wonderful thing. I'm glad I don't have to deal with it."
A: "Are we really any better though?"
She shrugged. "The two sexes have their own unique problems to deal with. As Kaji said, man and woman are separated by a river. Our issues are our issues."
Kaj: "Well, it was more profound than that."
Misato poked her tongue. "I don't remember the specifics of the quote."
Re: "Though having someone of the opposite sex is quite a nice thing, I'd think."
Kaw: "Ritsuko and Ibuki are doing quite alright for themselves, don't you think?"
Rei looked towards them. "Was that insensitive?"
Ritsuko shrugged. "It's alright Rei. A relationship like ours is indeed odd in our society."
S: "Compared to what else goes on in our world, it's rather tame."
A: "I've seen odder. Like what Kensuke has going on, for example."
Ma: "Is it really both of them?"
Re: "Yes." She glared at Asuka, and she realised she may have ran her mouth.
Ma: "...What a stud. I wouldn't guess he could do that."
Not many people knew the truth of their relationship.
~

Berserk
Re: "...I was right. Unit-00 was the same."
Ri: "I think I was a bit unfair to Gendo when I saw this scene. He wouldn't have been able to help her, since the plug ejected on its own."
S: "Though I wasn't that injured in my berserker, even though events seemed similar."
Mi: "That's cause we knocked you out and cushioned you better by increasing the pressure of the LCL to max. Oh yeah, sorry about that."
He shrugged. "No big. It helped me get out of it with only bruising. Though... your hands are still burned."
She took off a glove, revealing reddened skin. "You know I'd hurt myself to make sure you're safe."
Ri: "You are such a mother to them, Misato."
~

Acknowledge
S: "Well, nowadays I don't do it for my father's recognition."
A: "Not that you'd want his acknowledgement anyway." She messed his hair. "You do it for us, don't ya?"
He chuckled, resting on her. "Yeah. I've broken free of that."
A: "Helps you have us to love you. Lover, mother, sister, friend. We have a whole family, don't we?"
A smile. "Yeah." He continued resting on her shoulder.
Ma: "Heh. Lovebirds."
Ri: "Kinda reminds me of how you two were like in college, Misato."
Mi: "We weren't that lovey-dovey, Rits."
Ri: "Maybe not in public, Ms Week Straight."
Kaji and Misato started spluttering as they realised they both saw that. The doctor and her Kohai started laughing.
Ri: "Oh, Rei. You still get a new ID card?"
Re: "Appears that way."
Shinji and Asuka's impromptu makeout session was interrupted by this revelation. "Ah shit. Don't tell me that's the same."
Asuka glared. "I guess you'll get to second base with your sister again."
He hid his face. "It was bad enough once. I was surprised Kaworu didn't chew me out."
Kaw: "Honestly, I was more entertained by how Murphy decided to relieve himself on you."
~

Dilapidated
A: "And that's still the same. I still don't know how you could tolerate such a place Rei."
Re: "The cocktail of drugs I was on would help."
Mi: "Christ, I should've looked into your living situation earlier."
Ri: "I feel like I'm partially blame to that."
Re: "No need to feel that way. It was the commander who gave me those quarters, after all."
~

Tumble
Shinji and Maya had their faces in their hands. "Not again..." He groaned.
Re: "You know, you were the first boy to make it that far with me, Shinji. You could've at least bought me dinner first."
He groaned some more.
Kaw: "I would've been salsa on the wall if I tried that with Rei. Guess being a brother has some advantages."
He groaned some more, to the laughter of the others.
Mi: "Man you guys are not letting him live it down. I thought that was my job."
Ma: "Please stahp this is embarrassing." The strawberry pleaded.
Asuka messed Shinji's hair. "It's all in good fun Shinji."
S: "I know." He was still a tomato.
A: "Though you only do that to me now, kay?"
He groaned some more.
~

Hit Hit Hit
S: "At least he apologised, like I did."
A: "Though she's still gonna slap you I suppose."
THWACK
S: "Yep." He said flatly.
Re: "It was rather... satisfying, to be honest."
A: "I imagine it would be."
Kaw: "Though it's not satisfying to be on the receiving end."
Kaj: "We know that quite well."
Kaw: "I doubt you've been bounced off a tree, Kaji."
Ma: "Damn Rei, you really were yandere for him."
Re: "I'd say it was more of a tsundere. Sorta like Asuka."
Ramiel's siren did little to interrupt the conversation.
A: "Except I can't bounce boys off trees when they get too in my face."
Mi: "Shoving them into a bin is surely close enough though."
Asuka grew a smug little smile, chuckling. "You found out?"
Mi: "Yes. I would've berated you, but they deserved it honestly."
Ri: "I wouldn't exactly call that healthy behaviour to teach a young woman, Misato."
Mi: "None of us have healthy behaviour, Rits. You should know this by now, you do the checks on them."
Kaw: "Holy hell, she looks even more beautiful."
They looked to the screen.
A: "Woah."
S: "Ramiel wasn't that shiny."
~

Octahedron
Mi: "IT TRANSFORMS?!"
Kaw: "I find it odd this rendition of Ramiel would expose her core like that to fire a shot. Especially since our Ramiel didn't have to do such a thing."
Re: "In addition to taking several seconds to get into a firing position. That's already a disadvantage towards her."
S: "Not that it helped me."
Mi: "They got the blast shields up though. That would give you a few seconds to recover."
Ramiel transformed from an hourglass into a cross, and fired an even more powerful beam.
Misato simply glared at the screen. "Well shit."
Kaw: "She was never this powerful. This is like Zeruel."
A: "Great. So the Angels are even worse this time."
Ri: "I have low hopes for Zeruel in that case. At least Shinji was recovered."
Ma: "Do we have bolts like that?"
Ri: "Ehh, we never had to use them, but they're there. Just in case there's a need for emergency recovery."
Kaj: "Never know when you need a contingency plan. I know for a fact NERV is chock full of them."
~

Meeting
Ma: "A colour terminal?" Her eyes went wide.
Re: "Sounds like Yashima is still on the table."
Mi: "I would've come to the same conclusion, I imagine."
Kaw: "And indeed you have."
Mi: "Considering we only had until midnight, we were damn lucky the JSSDF were working on such a gun."
Ma: "And you were able to use all of Japan's power to use such a weapon."
A: "And in such short notice."
Mi: "Japan's pretty great like that. Thank God the powers that be decided to unify the grids."
~

Rescue
Mi: "Aww, you decided to wait for Shinji."
Rei blushed. "I was probably waiting to give him information about Yashima."
Ma: "Still though. That's nice of you, Rei."
Kaw: "I am still very impressed at the organisation this nation has."
Ma: "When we need to get stuff done, we can get it done fast."
Ri: "We're like that. Always working, like a beehive."
Kaj: "Though it helps the survival of this world was on the line."
A: "Considering in the Laserdiscs, in the end it didn't even matter."
Kaj: "These aren't the Laserdiscs though. There's always a chance things will end up differently."
A: "Knowing our luck when it comes to these things, Third Impact will happen early."
Misato glared. "Thanks for jinxing it, Asuka."
Kaw: "...eight Angels?" He counted in his mind. "...that's only 14 Angels in total, even considering the order was moved up by one."
Re: "Is that counting Ramiel?"
Kaw: "I didn't include her based on the former commander's tone. But that still only leaves 14 in that world, instead of the 17 in ours, including myself."
S: "You would still be the final messenger though, right?"
Kaworu shrugged. "I cannot know for sure. This world is too similar so far to differentiate it in my mind. Though that leaves me wondering... who gets skipped?"
~

I already made the joke about train of thought, damn it.
A: "And that's two trains so far."
Ma: "...Ohhh, I get it. Train of thought."
Kaw: "That's what I assumed they were getting at."
A: "Though to be fair, I was in a train during my... experience with Leliel."
S: "Maybe it's just a thing for this world then."
A: "It's odd though. Because I thought that was just my mind trying to understand what was going on in that oxygen deprived hellhole. But apparently half of Tokyo-3 got on that damn train during the Laserdiscs."
Mi: "Bit of an overstatement, but yeah. That analogy seems to be a favourite of... Anno, was it?"
Kaj: "There seems to be less introspective scenes though."
Mi: "You weren't even here for the first bit of the Laserdiscs Kaji."
He shrugged. "Most of this stuff is what I was able to dig up before anyway."
Misato and Ritsuko glared at him.
~

Yashima
The power infrastructure continued to be established.
Kaw: "Very impressive."
S: "I don't remember being this averse to piloting my Eva though. Especially considering that me didn't even quit."
A: "To be fair, you were almost roasted to death by a seemingly more powerful Ramiel."
S: "Still, I should've realised earlier that I can't simply shrug off piloting Eva like that."
A: "It's all in the past, Shinji. I know for a fact you got much better."
S: "I think you helped with that, Asuka."
A: "And everyone else."
Mi: "I wonder what that me would do to convince you though."
Ri: "...You're a Lieutenant Colonel in this. That would put you 3rd in command. You probably have access to a lot more secrets than you did in our world."
Mi: "...wait, Lieutenant Colonel? At this stage in our world, I was a Captain. How the hell do I have such a high rank already?"
Kaj: "The highest you got before you were made commander was Major."
Mi: "And she's already a rank above that. She would outrank me, if not for the fact I was commander."
~

Terminal
Ri: "So that's how you convince him."
Mi: "I knew of Lilith this early? Fucks sake, that would've saved me a lot of trouble."
Kaj: "Would've saved me a lot of trouble as well. You even identified it correctly, not even I did at first."
Re: "...the Lance is already present as well."
Kaw: "Her mask is different. It's more akin to Sachiel's face than the seven eyed mask it has in our world."
A: "...hang on a minute, where the hell does the seven eyes come from then? I thought it came from said mask."
Kaworu shrugged. "Who knows at this point. I find it odd Shinji would be convinced by such a thing though."
S: "Well, it showed him that he wasn't the only person who put their life on the line. That probably convinced him."
Ma: "Though you didn't have to be shown Lilith to be convinced in this world."
Mi: "Not like I could show him Lilith if I wanted to. I didn't even know of her existence until after Zeruel. I probably would've been shot by the autoguns."
~

Directive
S: "This was similar at least. Centre target, pull switch. Like I practiced."
Mi: "Even though it took two shots."
S: "That'll probably be the case this time as well, you realise."
Ri: "It's a good thing we weren't annihilated."
Ma: "I'd say. I thought we were toast when the first shot missed."
Japan descended into darkness, a singular point of light indicating Tokyo-3.
Kaw: "...they made this scene even more profound than it was in the Laserdiscs."
Ri: "We needed everything for this operation."
Kaj: "Within 9 hours, you were able to route all the power of Japan to a single point. I don't think you worked that fast since, even the Lance recovery operation had several days to prepare."
Re: "When survival is at state, anything seems reasonable." She thought. "I feel like I've said that before."
A: "Considering this is pretty much the same as what happened in the Laserdiscs, I wouldn't be surprised."
~

00:00
Mi: "Time's up. Let's do this."
The commanders monitored the operation.
Ri: "...we didn't bombard the Angel."
Kaw: "It seems to be a distraction. And she has yet more forms."
Ritsuko had her notebook out, scratching notes into it. "Of course. We could've distracted the Angel with heavy bombardment. That might've prevented it from noticing and firing the first shot."
Kaw: "It was a good thing we fired at that point."
Ri: "It is. In our world, the positron beam warped Ramiel's beam, causing it to hit off target. It was damn lucky actually; a direct hit would've been the end for us."
S: "Oh come on, now's not the time to get brooding."
The gun fired. Ramiel screamed and bled.
A: "Yes! You got it!"
Mi: "First try! Hell yeah Shinji!"
~

nope.avi
Ramiel healed, and began changing and charging.
S: "Oh for fucks sake."
Ma: "Welp, we're boned."
Ri: "I concur."
Mi: "Yep. Boned."
Kaj: "Boned."
Re: "Boned."
Kaw: "Boned."
A: "You guys are fucked."
Ramiel vaporised a mountain, directly hitting them.
A: "...holy shit."
Kaw: "This power! It's amazing!"
Kaj: "...What's even more amazing is how everything survived."
Ma: "When that happens, all you can really do is thank the Gods for your luck."
S: "...man, I'm really determined."
A: "That's the Shinji I know. Despite everything you still soldier on."
~

Second Attempt
A: "C'mon Shinji, you can do it!"
Ma: "This feels much more dramatic than how it happened."
Mi: "Makes for better viewing. We need some damn popcorn for this!"
Ri: "Crap, it's firing again."
Re: "As it did in our world. But I protected Shinji in our world. I will protect him in this one too."
She did just that.
Kaw: "...you seemed to spend a lot longer in her beam though."
Re: "It would be worth it."
The gun fired.
Ramiel's core shattered, and the Angel disintegrated into blood.
Asuka jumped from her seat. "YES! YOU DID IT!" She clung to Shinji.
He sighed. "Second time's the charm. Now I just need to get Rei out."
Mi: "...At the very least, we don't have to spend billions of Yen trying to clean up Ramiel in that rendition."
~

Rei
Mi: "Still adorable."
S: "Emotions were pretty high after this. Though I imagine he would've been going through a lot more emotions at this stage, considering all that happened."
Rei smiled, to fawning.
Ma: "You're so adorable Rei."

The scene changed. Kaworu emerged from a sarcophagus.
Kaw: "...wait a minute, what the hell? What am I doing there?"
A: "...That's the Moon."
The being was shown. Gasps
Ri: "What in oblivion is that? A progenitor?"
Ma: "It looks like our Lilith, it even has the same mask."
Re: "...is that the Third? There was Adam and Lilith."
Kaw: "Adam has not been shown yet. For all we know, that could be Adam."
Mi: "On the moon though?"
Kaj: "We know for a fact SEELE have a base on Mars. The Moon would be easy for them."
A: "Adam was in damn Antarctica though. And it's obvious Second Impact still occurred, so how on Earth would they get Adam off Earth and onto the Moon? Forgetting the fact that Antarctica was vaporised during Second Impact, and Adam was small enough to fit in a briefcase!"
Ma: "Didn't we deploy a few satellites around the Moon during Operation Crucifix?"
Mi: "We did, since it's not every day we go to the Moon. We would know if there was anything going on there."
S: "So what the hell is this SEELE doing? Kaworu?"
Kaw: "I'm running through the scenarios right now." He concentrated. "Rei?"

She leant some help. "You may continue debating while we try figuring out this universe."

Meanwhile Maya had got her terminal out, connected to the various satellites. "I know that's another universe, but it's worth making sure there isn't anything going on down there."

Ritsuko also had her terminal out, but she was searching through the SEELE files that Melchior kept digging up. "...there's no mention of Lunar operations. Melchior has recently discovered references to Mars though. Bit late, considering what happened." She skipped the video back to the titan.

"...so our SEELE had contingencies on Mars, but this SEELE has them on the Moon instead?" Asuka queried.

"Sure appears to be that way. And in that other universe, there seems to be a potential third progenitor, if we assume the Lunar being isn't Adam."

"...what if it's an Eva?"

Everyone stared at Shinji. A popping capacitor of the screen cut through the silence.

"...what? I don't think that's actual skin. It looks too rubbery, like they're trying to cover something. Also, the scale is off. I don't think there'll be another progenitor that no one knew about. We surely would've found it by now, considering we got surveillance both around the Moon and aimed at Mars."

"...I mean, that's possible." Ritsuko admitted, relaxing a bit. "Maybe we're just being overly paranoid."

"It's a damn better possibility than it being another progenitor." Asuka said. "What say you, Kaworu?"

"...Mark Six."
~

"Are you insane, 16?" The voice of Oversight 02 was low over the secure line.

"I admit this is rumour, but it's sourced directly from NERV resources."

"I find that hard to believe. How could we even prove this?"

"Satellites are out of the question. We need a rover."

"Out of the question. Getting a mobile probe to Mars will take at least half a year with conventional rocketry, forgetting that a rover hasn't been developed and sent to Mars since '97. We wouldn't even know where to begin!"

"They have facilities."

"Flooded in water and LCL. Even if they did have either of what you suggested on Mars, what could we do to stop them? We can only make a difference around Earth. There's jack shit we can do for the rest of the solar system!"

"In that case, we wait for them. If they didn't annihilate themselves in that Impact event, then they would surely try their hand at Earth again. And they might have something other than the MP-Eva."

"...The first scenario you described would explain how an Impact was possible. I'll give you that much. But I won't allocate resources I don't have to rumour and hearsay. I suggest we wait and see if they play their hand, as you said."

"Weren't you planning on going to Mars anyway?"

"Yes, albeit a colonising force, not paramilitary. Somewhere where we could've started fresh after Second Impact. It would've been sometime next decade but the Martian Impact set back the timeline several years. We won't have boots on the ground until then. Will this be discussed next meeting?"

"Not unless I find more information."

"Good. There's no reason to cause a panic in our ranks. I suggest you find more substantial information, 16."

The phone clicked off.

"...jackass."
~

Zero Two hooked the phone onto its cradle, a glass of Tennessee bourbon sitting forgotten on his desk.

Papers were illuminated, pinned onto a corkboard. Requisitioned from the UN, everything about SEELE he could find. It was a shame NERV had such a monopoly on information about them, but he was able to dig up a fair share. It helps he had a lot of money in his coffers. His partnership with NERV should also allow him to get some more information, even though they have a reputation of being obstinate mules at the best of times.

The intercom buzzed, a secretary on the line. "You have papers here for you, sir."

"Send them up, Claire."

"Yes, Mr Makinami."

He was left alone, the morning sun shining down on a framed photograph. A girl, wearing glasses, in a pink plugsuit. The last light in his world, snuffed out over a year ago.

SEELE were the reason why she met her horrifying end. He knew that to be true.

The glass was remembered.
~

Kaworu was resting in Rei's lap. Pensive. There were still questions.

"...Rei?"

"Yeah Kaworu?"

"...what happens to a soul if they can't be reborn?"

"...I... don't know. Why do you ask?"

"...my kin."

Rei was dispirited, as she realised. She held his hand. "You may not be able to see Lilim wanderers, but... try. Maybe... you can see them."

He expanded his awareness, with her help. He fell crestfallen, which Rei immediately picked up on.

"How many do you see?"

"...not many."

Rei thought. She had an idea. "...we're going out." She picked up Kaworu and positioned him on her back. "You, concentrate, and navigate me to one of your own."
~

The sight of a boy with ashen hair on the back of a blue haired girl, running without pause through the night, like she knew exactly where she was going, would usually give pause to someone. Not the people of Tokyo-3, considering what else happens in that damned city. They were left uninterrupted, as she made her way to the outskirts.

"Here." He hopped off and investigated. Kaworu served well as a navigator, though it helped they were linked.

Near a hillside that Rei recognised, Kaworu was able to pinpoint a single candle. A shadow of its former self, its light flickering and faded. A light only he could see.

"...yes. It's one of my own."

"...do you need some time alone, Kaworu?"

"No. I'd rather you be here."

He held out his hand, in front of him. Quietly beckoning.

The pyrefly drifted into his hand and rested. He could feel a warmth as it made its presence known. Emotion flooded in, emotion that was not his own.

"...Ramiel."

query pensive kin brother Tabris "b-brother. i am ashamed y-you had to f-f-f-find me in such a st-state."

"Don't be. You did well."

sadness melancholy longing "...i s-still failed in m-m-my mission. a-an-and now i can-cannot even fe-feel Father's light."

"...Father is gone." Mournful was his tone, as he held this faded soul. "I am the last of his seed that continues to walk this base Earth."

sorrow "...s-s-so it is true. i f-feared the worst when he le-left my mi-mind."

"I persist though." He cooed to his sister. "I have learnt to live with my nature, alongside the Lilim."

pensive "...y-you are wise, Tabris. that is why you w-won. you ar-are like the Lilim. our other bro-brothers and sisters could not k-know of such knowledge."

"I still cannot truly know of the Fruit of Knowledge, Rami. But I persist. I made relations with the Lilim, to overcome my own shortcomings."

pensive concession "...that is why you won." warmth light foreign soul "i feel another pr-presence. in your soul, Tabris. is this a Lilith?"

"Yes. She is beside me."

query "...may i speak with her?"

He looked towards Rei, silently enquiring.

She held his free hand.

acknowledgement fear aversion "...you were the other one? i-in the orange d-deviant."

"Yes. Do you hold anything against me?"

pensive concession "...no. it is the nature of life to fight back a-against those who seek to end it. T-Tabris succeeded because he did not aim to destroy y-your world. He sought to live in it, a-as you do."

"If it's any consolation, you were the second most powerful of the Angels. It took the whole capabilities of our nation to bring you low."

Melancholic elation, acknowledgement "Then I can r-rest easy, knowing I gave it my a-all. It was Z-Zeruel who was stronger than I?"

"Yes."

Humour, joy. Remembrance. Respect "He was always like that. Lilim, I give you m-my gratitude. T-that is all I have left at this point."

"Thank you, Ramiel."

weakness "Tabris, I-I wish to speak to you alone."

Kaworu could see wisps of her spirit flickering off her. Her light was decaying. Speaking with him was sapping her already spent resources. Rei disengaged from them, and gave them some privacy.

fear query "T-Tabris. Y-you do know what h-happens to us if w-we should fall, right? We- we cannot be reborn l-like the Lilim. Not without F-father."

"...i don't know, Rami."

genuine feeling innocent query "...you w-were never told, were you?"

"...no." He conceded, emotions building.

"...Tabris. we die."

Rei felt her soul rend, bringing her low. Tears were welling in her eyes.

Kaworu locked up, the words piercing through his mind as he realised their true significance. Tears began streaming down his face, as he cupped this wavering light, holding it close. "i- i'm sorry... i... i did not know... if i did-"

"...i k-know. i accepted my fate l-long ago. i app-appreciate you finding m-me though, b-brother. at l-least now i can f-fade with someone i l-love by m-my si-side..."

"...sister... i wish i could do more to help you."

"...yo-you've done enou-enough, Tabris. you survived. y-you lived. you-you're thriving. you're loved. as l-long as you live, as long as o-one of our own c-can survive in a w-world that i-is not our own.

That's all you need to do, brother. Live."

She was fading faster now. "n-no... not yet. please." It was becoming difficult to feel her.

"i'm s-sorry, brother. p-promise me if you f-find more of o-our kin before they fade, y-you will help them a-as you helped me."

"...i promise."

"...thank you. g-goodbye, br-brother. i-ill see you again s-somed

The link between the two souls disappeared, and her light dissipated into the air. All that was left in his hands was the warmth of what was her soul.

His legs lost their strength, and he collapsed into a kneel. He stared, eyes wide and unblinking, into his hands.

Kaworu's anguish could be heard from a mile away.
~

Nothing personal, Kaworu :(

Sure, an actual DVD player would've been better for Kensuke to use, but that removes all the challenge of trying to get a Firewire external DVD drive older than he is connected to an pre-2I SGI system, which (through 5 minutes of Googling) I have determined was impossible. Though we know SGI still exists in my omake, so maybe there's been some development into it. Even though DVD's a dead standard :V I imagine Ritsuko might be interested to see what he does.

NERV is still dealing with the fallout of this foreign soul which found its way into Unit-01. And trying to figure out what the hell is Yui's agenda. Considering how enigmatic she still is, this might be a problem. Of course, all Gendo ever wanted was to reunite with Yui, which he now has I suppose. Although... death does change someone. Especially if their soul had spent a while without form or field. We can see this with Rei. And Shinji was able to see this. Who knows how different he's become. I'm sure Yui still loves him. She's probably the only person left in this world that does so.

Shinji was somewhat decent at keeping cool and collected during this whole event, even though it would've been quite traumatic for him. But of course, Asuka was by his side pretty much as soon as he got out of the plug. Maya though, she didn't exactly have that great a reaction. Don't worry, it was only a panic attack, resulting in a faint and concussion. But the show must go on, at least until Ritsuko could shrug off her job to others.

And it seems watching the movie did help. At least until the end of it. That caused them some good paranoia :V It's not every day you see something that appears to be Lilith on the Moon. Though Shinji's hunch was accurate, as Kaworu could back up. I would imagine that Rebuild, since it's also an official canon, would be easier for him to seek through. Though it helps he had Rei to help. Having a Nephilim soulmate is great like that :V

He would need her after what happened.

Oversight 02's been through a lot too. I wouldn't wish what he went through on anyone. Thing is, what would he have left once SEELE's gone? All the money in the world can't undo what happened at Nevada.
 
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But why Glasgow? Why not a proper Highlander from Inverness?
Glaswegians are the "reference" Scots. People know both (a) what they sound like and (b) what they're reputed to behave like :)

I wouldn't know an Inverness accent if it jumped up and mugged me with a claymore.

(Also, Glasgow is, for all the reputation of the locals, a lovely city.)
 
Hmm… Asuka's mom married a Scott instead of an American, specifically a Glasgewian (and boy did Second Impact do a number on it!). Because Kyoko had a temper of her own, theirs was something of a mutual tsundere relationship. Despite some violent habits (none directed at his daughter or wife, thankfully), he wasn't as much of a dick as Asuka's father, genuinely cared for her, didn't remarry when Kyokou died, and stuck around to raise her. Hence he rubbed off heavily on Asuka. Ironically, this means that Asuka is actually more stable than canon even though she actually comes off as less stable.

I wouldn't mind seeing this develop into a full-blown fanfic.
 
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