Right, the most logical person to put on point is probably Asuka. (Unless she's cross-testing in 01 at the time. Then it's Shinji.)

Asuka is, of course, absolutely expendable, at least to everyone who matters (read: Gendo, he is the man with the only vote). However, Kaworu goes beyond simply expendible. Gendo would LOVE for Kaworu to die in a way that can't be explained as "Gendo had Kaworu assasinated." "I'm sorry, Most Revered Illuminated Ones. You sent him as an EVA pilot. The Angel got him. I'm so very sorry!"
 
Asuka is, of course, absolutely expendable, at least to everyone who matters (read: Gendo, he is the man with the only vote). However, Kaworu goes beyond simply expendible. Gendo would LOVE for Kaworu to die in a way that can't be explained as "Gendo had Kaworu assasinated." "I'm sorry, Most Revered Illuminated Ones. You sent him as an EVA pilot. The Angel got him. I'm so very sorry!"
Specifically Kaworu in an EVA that isn't Unit-01
 
Oh goodness yes. Unit-01 is not expendable under any circumstances. Ever. If the alternative is Third Impact, then...well, maybe.
 
For that matter, Gendo could capitalise on post-battle confusion to keep SEELE from finding out Kaworu died too until it is too late.
 
In my life there's been heartache and pain
I don't know if I can face it again
Can't stop now, I've traveled so far
To change this lonely life

I wanna know what love is
I want you to show me

There's probably better ballads, but that's probably the most POWERFUL ballad ever written.

Well, okay, maybe number 2 to Badfinger/Nilsson's "Without You".
Actually, that could go on the tape, too.
 
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Asuka is, of course, absolutely expendable, at least to everyone who matters (read: Gendo, he is the man with the only vote). However, Kaworu goes beyond simply expendible. Gendo would LOVE for Kaworu to die in a way that can't be explained as "Gendo had Kaworu assasinated." "I'm sorry, Most Revered Illuminated Ones. You sent him as an EVA pilot. The Angel got him. I'm so very sorry!"
Unless he actually wants to see what the spy is up to. So far, Kaworu hasn't done that much spying, which is going to make Gendo curious.
 
I have a feeling Rei and Kaworu are going to get a long overdue relationship upgrade...provided they survive the near-death that Armisael is expected to dish out.
 
Right, the most logical person to put on point is probably Asuka. (Unless she's cross-testing in 01 at the time. Then it's Shinji.)

Asuka is, of course, absolutely expendable, at least to everyone who matters (read: Gendo, he is the man with the only vote). However, Kaworu goes beyond simply expendible. Gendo would LOVE for Kaworu to die in a way that can't be explained as "Gendo had Kaworu assasinated." "I'm sorry, Most Revered Illuminated Ones. You sent him as an EVA pilot. The Angel got him. I'm so very sorry!"
Or Hikari.

Gendoh can't be sure Kaworu won't help the enemy, and Asuka he still needs to keep 'The Third' in line; since Rei is now an invaluable asset, the logical choice would be the Fifth and her expendable Eva.
 
...what the fuck is Armisael? As in seriously, what function does it serve?

I mean come on, Gaghiel was aquatic assault, Zeruel was heavy armour, Bardiel and Iruel were infiltrators, Arael was an interrogator (pretty shit at it mind you, didn't even try to look for classified shit or see the structural weaknesses of NERV) but what does Armisael do? Because all I can come up with is "giant, infectious, glowing tape worm that prattles on about postmodern-existentialist horse shit."
 
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...what the fuck is Armisael? As in seriously, what function does it serve?

I mean come on, Gaghiel was aquatic assault, Zeruel was heavy armour, Bardiel and Iruel were infiltrators, Arael was an interrogator (pretty shit at it mind you, didn't even try to look for classified shit or see the structural weaknesses of NERV) but what does Armisael do? Because all I can come up with is "giant, infectious, glowing tape worm that prattles on about postmodern-existentialist horse shit."
Ariel desecrates the victim's mind, Armisael the body; do I need to say anything more?
 
Probably less "Fuck you humans in particular" and more "How can I get them the hell out my way so I can go see my mom?"

...There's better ways of doing that still. Tapping comms, waiting until the UN is in session and mind raping the lot of them all at once, or even better.

Gendo sitting in his office: "Is it me, or is it getting bright in here aghhhhhhhh..."
 
The roll continues. About 1200 words already down, but no time to transcribe yet. Next update Friday? Doing the cross-synch test now.

Also, I'm sad. I get Shinji to steal a line from Maui, but no one laughed. :p
 
...what the fuck is Armisael? As in seriously, what function does it serve?

I mean come on, Gaghiel was aquatic assault, Zeruel was heavy armour, Bardiel and Iruel were infiltrators, Arael was an interrogator (pretty shit at it mind you, didn't even try to look for classified shit or see the structural weaknesses of NERV) but what does Armisael do? Because all I can come up with is "giant, infectious, glowing tape worm that prattles on about postmodern-existentialist horse shit."

Probably less "Fuck you humans in particular" and more "How can I get them the hell out my way so I can go see my mom?"

...There's better ways of doing that still. Tapping comms, waiting until the UN is in session and mind raping the lot of them all at once, or even better.

Gendo sitting in his office: "Is it me, or is it getting bright in here aghhhhhhhh..."

Keep in mind that humans seem to be as alien to the Angels as Angels are to humans. And while the evolving nature of their attempts on NERV suggests some sort of knowledge of what's happened before, they don't seem to be communicating with each other as such. "Interrogation" seems too strong a word for what Arael does -- interrogation implies you know the sort of information you're looking for. It does seem to focus on its victims' traumas, but whether that's because it's actively trying to break them or just because it finds those thoughts especially strong and is drawn to them out of curiosity is unknown. The notion that its enemy -- the Evangelion -- depends upon the support of thousands of these tiny things acting in concert is probably not even within its realm of experience. If what appeared to be another human attacked you, would you assume it's actually a replica created and controlled by the ant colony in the backyard that you incidentally disturbed while pursuing some goal of your own? Without that sort of understanding, I'm not sure the idea of "classified information" even makes sense to an Angel, let alone the idea of undermining its opponent's support infrastructure.

There's an implication that Leliel, Arael, and Armisael are all trying their own methods of understanding their opponent. In canon, Armisael seems to have come closer to actual understanding than Arael did; it apparently either picked up the concept of loneliness from Rei, or came to understand its own loneliness when it saw it mirrored in another being. (In the Director's Cut, it went even farther -- after learning about loneliness, it actually seemed to be trying to resurrect the other Angels using Unit-00's flesh. Yikes!)

Offensively, Armisael's ability to fuse with other organisms offers it several interesting abilities; I got the impression that its eventual plan was to take over Unit-00 and any other EVA it could merge with and use it for its attack on Terminal Dogma, and in the meantime, fusing with the EVA limited the EVAs ability to retaliate without just hurting itself or each other.

Now for a really weird way the Armisael fight could turn out... suppose Rei and Kaworu already had an endgame plan while going into the Armisael fight, one that would allow for Adam to complete its mission without eradicating humanity, presumably by relocating Adam to another planet in the solar system to be activated there. Now suppose Rei and/or Kaworu manage to sell Armisael on this plan when it attempts to merge with one or both of them ("we're fundamentally not that different; give us just a little bit longer and we can all walk away with what we want, provided we deal with this little problem called SEELE first..."). I'm picturing Armisael going through with its attempt to resurrect all the dead Angels using Unit-00, after ejecting Rei's entry plug this time... and they're now on NERV's side, or at least the NERV Resistance's side. Have fun assaulting Tokyo-3 now, SEELE. Ramiel 2.0 and Zeruel 2.0 alone would have the Council shitting bricks, even with the MP EVAs' replica lances. :evil:
 
Keep in mind that humans seem to be as alien to the Angels as Angels are to humans. And while the evolving nature of their attempts on NERV suggests some sort of knowledge of what's happened before, they don't seem to be communicating with each other as such. "Interrogation" seems too strong a word for what Arael does -- interrogation implies you know the sort of information you're looking for. It does seem to focus on its victims' traumas, but whether that's because it's actively trying to break them or just because it finds those thoughts especially strong and is drawn to them out of curiosity is unknown. The notion that its enemy -- the Evangelion -- depends upon the support of thousands of these tiny things acting in concert is probably not even within its realm of experience. If what appeared to be another human attacked you, would you assume it's actually a replica created and controlled by the ant colony in the backyard that you incidentally disturbed while pursuing some goal of your own? Without that sort of understanding, I'm not sure the idea of "classified information" even makes sense to an Angel, let alone the idea of undermining its opponent's support infrastructure.

There's an implication that Leliel, Arael, and Armisael are all trying their own methods of understanding their opponent. In canon, Armisael seems to have come closer to actual understanding than Arael did; it apparently either picked up the concept of loneliness from Rei, or came to understand its own loneliness when it saw it mirrored in another being. (In the Director's Cut, it went even farther -- after learning about loneliness, it actually seemed to be trying to resurrect the other Angels using Unit-00's flesh. Yikes!)

Offensively, Armisael's ability to fuse with other organisms offers it several interesting abilities; I got the impression that its eventual plan was to take over Unit-00 and any other EVA it could merge with and use it for its attack on Terminal Dogma, and in the meantime, fusing with the EVA limited the EVAs ability to retaliate without just hurting itself or each other.

Now for a really weird way the Armisael fight could turn out... suppose Rei and Kaworu already had an endgame plan while going into the Armisael fight, one that would allow for Adam to complete its mission without eradicating humanity, presumably by relocating Adam to another planet in the solar system to be activated there. Now suppose Rei and/or Kaworu manage to sell Armisael on this plan when it attempts to merge with one or both of them ("we're fundamentally not that different; give us just a little bit longer and we can all walk away with what we want, provided we deal with this little problem called SEELE first..."). I'm picturing Armisael going through with its attempt to resurrect all the dead Angels using Unit-00, after ejecting Rei's entry plug this time... and they're now on NERV's side, or at least the NERV Resistance's side. Have fun assaulting Tokyo-3 now, SEELE. Ramiel 2.0 and Zeruel 2.0 alone would have the Council shitting bricks, even with the MP EVAs' replica lances. :evil:
Laughter evolves from evil to unadulterated megalomaniacal.
You sir, are a genius. I am sold.
 
Keep in mind that humans seem to be as alien to the Angels as Angels are to humans. And while the evolving nature of their attempts on NERV suggests some sort of knowledge of what's happened before, they don't seem to be communicating with each other as such. "Interrogation" seems too strong a word for what Arael does -- interrogation implies you know the sort of information you're looking for. It does seem to focus on its victims' traumas, but whether that's because it's actively trying to break them or just because it finds those thoughts especially strong and is drawn to them out of curiosity is unknown. The notion that its enemy -- the Evangelion -- depends upon the support of thousands of these tiny things acting in concert is probably not even within its realm of experience. If what appeared to be another human attacked you, would you assume it's actually a replica created and controlled by the ant colony in the backyard that you incidentally disturbed while pursuing some goal of your own? Without that sort of understanding, I'm not sure the idea of "classified information" even makes sense to an Angel, let alone the idea of undermining its opponent's support infrastructure.

There's an implication that Leliel, Arael, and Armisael are all trying their own methods of understanding their opponent. In canon, Armisael seems to have come closer to actual understanding than Arael did; it apparently either picked up the concept of loneliness from Rei, or came to understand its own loneliness when it saw it mirrored in another being. (In the Director's Cut, it went even farther -- after learning about loneliness, it actually seemed to be trying to resurrect the other Angels using Unit-00's flesh. Yikes!)

Offensively, Armisael's ability to fuse with other organisms offers it several interesting abilities; I got the impression that its eventual plan was to take over Unit-00 and any other EVA it could merge with and use it for its attack on Terminal Dogma, and in the meantime, fusing with the EVA limited the EVAs ability to retaliate without just hurting itself or each other.

Now for a really weird way the Armisael fight could turn out... suppose Rei and Kaworu already had an endgame plan while going into the Armisael fight, one that would allow for Adam to complete its mission without eradicating humanity, presumably by relocating Adam to another planet in the solar system to be activated there. Now suppose Rei and/or Kaworu manage to sell Armisael on this plan when it attempts to merge with one or both of them ("we're fundamentally not that different; give us just a little bit longer and we can all walk away with what we want, provided we deal with this little problem called SEELE first..."). I'm picturing Armisael going through with its attempt to resurrect all the dead Angels using Unit-00, after ejecting Rei's entry plug this time... and they're now on NERV's side, or at least the NERV Resistance's side. Have fun assaulting Tokyo-3 now, SEELE. Ramiel 2.0 and Zeruel 2.0 alone would have the Council shitting bricks, even with the MP EVAs' replica lances. :evil:
This. I second this. This needs to happen, in an omake at the very least.
 
One of the things that occured to me while I was doing my archive trawl of this thread was that communicating across AT fields is what Lilim do. We have these walls between ourselves and other people, but we communicate through them.

Angels don't.

Along those lines, it makes sense that when they try to communicate, they have to do something about that AT field. Be it by restraining the target until the AT field goes down (due to power loss and oxygen deprivation, for Leliel), or brute force, traumatic as it may be for the victim (Ariel). It also makes sense that when they try to communicate, it sucks.
 
Quite. To an Angel the entire concept of an 'other' is hard to grasp. Even Kaworu is still new to most of it.

Also... Um. Update is now in the air.

I'm being medevaced to the hospital at Baghdad airport due to an infection in my foot that's gotten slightly out of hand. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to grab my laptop and write while I'm there. If not, it might be a bit. Sorry.
 
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