*Tries quoting while still used to Wikia's method*
...Da fuq is this shit!?
Oh well
@Ranma-sensei: I have a feeling there won't be a Rei III, and Kaworu will take her place fighting the Angel, perhaps having a similar love (and not simply attraction) epiphany towards Rei as Rei did toward Shinji in canon. Adds plenty of angst for Rei for the upcoming Instrumentality.

Kaworu can't kill himself though, and self-sacrifice might count as self-termination in terms of the Dead Sea Scrolls. SELEE might end up sending in Kaworu II to try again:

"He gave his life to save us even though he was sent to destroy us. I never even got to tell him...*starts crying*"

"It'll be alright Rei, he did it because he...because he, oh scheiße."

"I'm terribly sorry for the interruption. My name is-"

"RAINBOW TROUT YOU'RE ALIVE!"
 
Kaworu can't kill himself though, and self-sacrifice might count as self-termination in terms of the Dead Sea Scrolls. SELEE might end up sending in Kaworu II to try again:

"He gave his life to save us even though he was sent to destroy us. I never even got to tell him...*starts crying*"

"It'll be alright Rei, he did it because he...because he, oh scheiße."

"I'm terribly sorry for the interruption. My name is-"

"RAINBOW TROUT YOU'RE ALIVE!"
Hmmm, what if Armisael shows uncharacteristic intelligence and right as he tries detonates the N2 Mine, nothing happens because Armisael defused it. Thus, Kaworu has to beg Rei to kill him. If Rei or anyone else in the battle refuses, Gendo activates the Dummy Plug to take the shot.

Also, related to Rei, I was reading up on her infertility from the character notes. A popular theory is that Rei simply has no womb, instead having an S2 Organ (which they have then rationalized as being needed in order to fuse her and Adam together). Since she has no womb (and possibly no ovum/eggs), she doesn't menstruate, she can't release eggs, and she can't have children.
 
Hmmm, what if Armisael shows uncharacteristic intelligence and right as he tries detonates the N2 Mine, nothing happens because Armisael defused it. Thus, Kaworu has to beg Rei to kill him. If Rei or anyone else in the battle refuses, Gendo activates the Dummy Plug to take the shot.

Also, related to Rei, I was reading up on her infertility from the character notes. A popular theory is that Rei simply has no womb, instead having an S2 Organ (which they have then rationalized as being needed in order to fuse her and Adam together). Since she has no womb (and possibly no ovum/eggs), she doesn't menstruate, she can't release eggs, and she can't have children.
There are holes in that theory, mostly due to the other roles in female human development the ovaries play, but can be covered by an extreme hormonal therapy regime, which would fit nicely with the drug regime most believe she is on.
 
Something somewhat unrelated, but I have a feeling I know how the alliance started by A&S is going to fail to stop Instrumentality. Gendo, gun pointed at the group, with Misato no doubt aiming a piece at him, will end up having a tender moment realizing how Shinji is just like him....so he shoots Asuka in the stomach, causing her to bleed out. With the JSSDF gunning down everything that moves, the only thing that can even sorta save Asuka is Instrumentality. Thus Shinji, in a moment of weakness is perfectly willing to let it happen (since, despite his character growth in A&T, right now he's still Shinji, and Shinji really is cowardly and selfish when pushed to his lowest point, which at this point is losing Asuka), and Gendo knows he'd let it happen because that is exactly what he'd been doing this whole time.
 
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What do you mean by that, actually? Are you talking about Rei realizing her "true nature" as Lilith's avatar?
Nope. I'm talking about the part of her soul that was Rei I fusing with Rei II .
I have a feeling there won't be a Rei III, and Kaworu will take her place fighting the Angel, perhaps having a similar love (and not simply attraction) epiphany towards Rei as Rei did toward Shinji in canon. Adds plenty of angst for Rei for the upcoming Instrumentality.
As long as Unit Zero gets destroyed, there'll be a Rei III.
So long as Rei I stays in Unit 00's core, won't Rei III basically be Rei II since the last memory dump?
Basically what I was thinking.

If we're going with the interpretation of one single soul stretched across multiple beings, Rei will remain Rei II for as long as her soul fragment stays the same size. If it were to grow bigger, or even get splintered more, we'll have a new Rei.

(And before anyone jumps up my throat for the term 'interpretation': In religious mythology, the 'Chamber of Guf', also called 'Otzar' is a body part of sorts. It is the seat of the soul, so 'the chamber of Guf remained empty' could simply be referring to them experimentally decanting a clone only for it to remain soulless.)
 
Something somewhat unrelated, but I have a feeling I know how the alliance started by A&S is going to fail to stop Instrumentality. Gendo, gun pointed at the group, with Misato no doubt aiming a piece at him, will end up having a tender moment realizing how Shinji is just like him....so he shoots Asuka in the stomach, causing her to bleed out. With the JSSDF gunning down everything that moves, the only thing that can even sorta save Asuka is Instrumentality. Thus Shinji, in a moment of weakness is perfectly willing to let it happen (since, despite his character growth in A&T, right now he's still Shinji, and Shinji really is cowardly and selfish when pushed to his lowest point, which at this point is losing Asuka), and Gendo knows he'd let it happen because that is exactly what he'd been doing this whole time.
Shame it will fucking backfire like a rear-ended Ford Pinto on Gendo, as Shinji is for all intents and purposes now a god thanks to both Yui and Rei hijacking Instrumentality and giving the keys to him, and an angry one at that. One angry at Gendo specifically.

If it were to grow bigger
Well, in Tokyo-3 they say that The Third Rei's small soul grew three sizes that day.
 
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Shame it will fucking backfire like a rear-ended Ford Pinto on Gendo, as Shinji is for all intents and purposes now a god thanks to both Yui and Rei hijacking Instrumentality and giving the keys to him, and an angry one at that. One angry at Gendo specifically.
The tragically beautiful thing about this story idea though is, Gendoh is too asocial to realize that.
 
I will say, Shinji giving up and starting Instrumentality only turned people into Tang in EoE. The minute Lilith was awakened, Third Impact happened, so the world is fucked either way.

Rei III would have Rei II's memories, but she won't have the emotions that came with them, only the confusion of having seen them before, but knowing she never really met them until now. I imagine Shinji and Asuka staying with Rei in helping her regardless if she was the "real" Rei would help her get an understanding of how Rei II felt with them, and begin to feel identically. I can see them accepting Rei if they are shown the Rei Vat and Rei was with them, that'd be a waff-y way to partially resolve things. I'm probably glossing over some details though, mind.

It should be noted that Rei III didn't so much betray Gendo because of her loyalty to Shinji (though it was there), but more because she's bitter that Gendo brought her back and in so much pain for his own ends, not letting her die until he says so. She helped Shinji recover after he started Instrumentality because.....I dunno. I guess because of her own (platonic?) feelings for him (not sure if she interacted with people when they were tanged together. You see, I'm in the "both 25&26 and EoE were canon" camp).
 
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Basically what I was thinking.

If we're going with the interpretation of one single soul stretched across multiple beings, Rei will remain Rei II for as long as her soul fragment stays the same size. If it were to grow bigger, or even get splintered more, we'll have a new Rei.

(And before anyone jumps up my throat for the term 'interpretation': In religious mythology, the 'Chamber of Guf', also called 'Otzar' is a body part of sorts. It is the seat of the soul, so 'the chamber of Guf remained empty' could simply be referring to them experimentally decanting a clone only for it to remain soulless.)

In the Rebuild movies it's suggested that Guf is the realm/dimension/pocket universe where souls are stored. Progenitor lands, adds in LCL and opens the Gates of Guf flooding the planet with souls that establish Ego Borders and create life as we know it. Since there's no spare Lilith soul in Guf (or the White and Black Moons can't make new progenitors) Rei's stuck with a single body.

Although the question is where does Rei II's soul (or anyone's soul for that matter) go after they die? Asuka came back in EoE despite dying earlier in the film, maybe all souls wind up back in the Chamber of Guf waiting to be reborn into
 
The Rebuild movies are a reboot to Neon Genesis Evangelion, with updated animation quality and a slightly lighter in tone. However, the movies then went off the rails and became much much darker than the source material. 3 movies have been released, with 4.0 yet to be released.
Don't forget the part where a significant portion of the fan base refuses to accept their existence or considers them non canon
 
Rei isn't smiling. HERESY!
You kidding? She's totally smiling in that pic.
Immensely.
ELABORATION, AN HOUR AND A HALF LATER: Every time you go off on one of your RP tangents, you remind me that the Warhammer franchise (which i despise) exists, and that i cannot forgive.
Now, now: I can tell you that there are three objectively positive things that have come from 40K:
3. The memes.
2. Warhammer 40K: Space Marine video game
1. If the Emperor Had a Text-to-Speech Device
 
For good reason as it kinda is its own story, separate from NGE.
Remakes are gonna remake. That is a constant. Though i guess the moment Rebuild caused everybody to go "F this S, it no longer exists" was 3.33.

Which I still haven't seen.

I had a specific piece of Cosplay art chosen already, but I cannot find it again and it is only saved on my laptop at the moment.

Sorry about your laptop. Ever try removing the hard drive from your laptop and hooking it up to any desktop?
 
Warhammer 40k is a decent franchise in its own right. What it lacks in scruples and relate-able characters it makes up for in a crazy and vast 'verse. A problem I can see is that it is very hard to get into for the tabletops at least, which have obscene prices for their miniatures, when I can just by Dawn of War 1 with all the expansions and boom I have almost all the armies (Eldar are broken, but you can just not let anyone play Eldar. Problem solved). Thus it kinda looks nerdy and a waste of time to outsiders.

Also, because it's hard to get into, it's also insular as fuck. The last thing the Warhammer 40k community wants is for 40k to become "mainstream" or "popular." When Space Hulk: Deathwing (which still has to come to Consoles but it's probably going to tank without advertising) released a well edited, AAA trailer featuring Kebestony's Walking with a Ghost, how did the comment section go? "What is this music!? HERESY!" and "What Slaaneshi vile is this?" and so on. Now it probably doesn't fit, but I found it better than the "Grimdark Edits" people made, using the If-The-Emperor-Had-A-Text-to-Speech-Device ending theme. The people who dislike it are probably a minority, but they are pretty vocal.

Back to Evangelion: Now that Kaworu's in the party (btw, Ch 10.5's link on the main page wasn't working, I had to use the threadmarks to know it was even posted), does that mean Shinji and Asuka are going to commence Operation: Hook-Up-Rei-and-Kaworu-so-they-don't-feel-guilty-about-not-sharing-each-other?
 
Hmmm, what if Armisael shows uncharacteristic intelligence and right as he tries detonates the N2 Mine, nothing happens because Armisael defused it. Thus, Kaworu has to beg Rei to kill him. If Rei or anyone else in the battle refuses, Gendo activates the Dummy Plug to take the shot.

Also, related to Rei, I was reading up on her infertility from the character notes. A popular theory is that Rei simply has no womb, instead having an S2 Organ (which they have then rationalized as being needed in order to fuse her and Adam together). Since she has no womb (and possibly no ovum/eggs), she doesn't menstruate, she can't release eggs, and she can't have children.
Weren't there some hallucinations or some such where Shinji saw Rei standing just about groin deep in water, with a discolored thread, tracing back, between her legs, supposedly suggesting menstruation?

Shame it will fucking backfire like a rear-ended Ford Pinto on Gendo, as Shinji is for all intents and purposes now a god thanks to both Yui and Rei hijacking Instrumentality and giving the keys to him, and an angry one at that. One angry at Gendo specifically.


The tragically beautiful thing about this story idea though is, Gendoh is too asocial to realize that.
Yes, but that doesn't interfere with our reading pleasure when he finally does have his "Oh, Crap!" moment.

Don't forget the part where a significant portion of the fan base refuses to accept their existence or considers them non canon
It's Evangelion, just not Neon Genesis Evangelion.

What it lacks in scruples and relate-able characters it makes up for in a crazy and vast 'verse
While not having read any of the fiction, and most of my information comes from one friend, that whole universe seems like a shitshow.
 
While not having read any of the fiction, and most of my information comes from one friend, that whole universe seems like a shitshow.
Same, and agreed. The main impression i get is that Warhammer is representative of the whole "Duhuhuh, stories with happy endings are boring durr" narrative that i hate. Like, there is no path to making that universe a better place, no way anybody is going to solve any of its problems, and there never will be. If I wanted to consume media where everything keeps getting worse, I'd watch the news.
 
Weren't there some hallucinations or some such where Shinji saw Rei standing just about groin deep in water, with a discolored thread, tracing back, between her legs, supposedly suggesting menstruation?

While not having read any of the fiction, and most of my information comes from one friend, that whole universe seems like a shitshow.

1. She still says she doesn't bleed/menstruate (and that's still Shinji's hallucination, which I don't recall seeing. Was it before he found out she was a clone?)

2. That's the beauty of it. It's such a shitshow and such a bleak universe that you can only go up from there. You laugh along with the fanatic spacenazicatholicbuzlightyearroman dudes or cackle in glee with the Forces of Hell, or any of the rest (and there's individual chapters between those two, Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines respectively, to distinguish yourself. You can make your own chapter too, but don't go looking for medals).
Of course, since it is so hopeless, that makes it better when someone makes something like this (Credit to Brett-Neuford on DeviantArt):

(Random Thoughts: Making a live-action Neon Genesis movie (for American audiences mind, that's the shit that makes money) seems perfectly possible if difficult. Most of the cast would be of Asian descent (save for Asuka and the crew of the Over the Rainbow), and if there is a shortage of Japanese-American actors, we could get ones of other Asian countries and provide an explanation in story (immigrated to Japan and picked a Japanese name after gaining citizenship). The movies would be a trilogy, with part 1 of NGE being the first movie and the second half of NGE the second (the credit song for the first would be A Cruel Angel's Thesis, either in Japanese or English. The second movie would be Fly Me To The Moon preformed by the cast one at a time), with End of Evangelion being the third movie. For EoE, I'll get rid of the masturbation scene (since it would go without saying that's poison for audiences) and replace it with something else (probably Shinji strangling her or shaking her in a fit of anger at her "ignoring" him).
 
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