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We don't need to go fight meguca gangs worldwide.

Our Plan A is we're releasing Clear Seeds, and that will change the world. Once meguca aren't desperate for Grief Seeds to live, hopefully they'll stop forming gangs and raiding each other.

Our Plan B is, once enough Clear Seeds are out there, meguca will be able to organize into larger groups, which will be able to deal with bandit gangs on their own.

...And our Plan C is, probably at least some of the bandit gangs are going to come try and raid us for Clear Seeds. So we should probably be ready for that.

At any rate it'll be a long time before we need to go adventuring. If ever.
 
Wirikidor said:
We don't need to go fight meguca gangs worldwide.

Our Plan A is we're releasing Clear Seeds, and that will change the world. Once meguca aren't desperate for Grief Seeds to live, hopefully they'll stop forming gangs and raiding each other.

Our Plan B is, once enough Clear Seeds are out there, meguca will be able to organize into larger groups, which will be able to deal with bandit gangs on their own.

...And our Plan C is, probably at least some of the bandit gangs are going to come try and raid us for Clear Seeds. So we should probably be ready for that.

At any rate it'll be a long time before we need to go adventuring. If ever.
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The San Shi Hui and Saja run a protection racket and tribute system respectively. They won't want to give up that power just because we're introducing Clear Seeds - and while it's possible that the subjugated groups beneath them will manage to revolt just with us providing arms sales Clear Seeds, I'm not at all certain. Presumably they have a near-overwhelming power advantage or they'd have already been overthrown, and as soon as they capture a single Clear Seed the logistics on both sides will even out too. It seems very likely to me that direct intervention on our part will be needed to break up groups operating like those two.
 
[ ] Offer to use the Ribbon Grid to look for Hijiri.
-[ ] A Grief Magic Booster might give Mami more range? (Though it would take long to make)
-[ ] It's not necessarily immediate nor guaranteed to work.
-[ ] Mention they could try telepathying Hijiri.

[ ] Sayaka:
-[ ] Agree, but try to give her perspective on all the difficulties we have to deal with first, and that we'll have to deal with in order to be able to engage those groups.

[ ] Sit on your Golden Throne.
 
Redshirt Army said:
The San Shi Hui and Saja run a protection racket and tribute system respectively. They won't want to give up that power just because we're introducing Clear Seeds - and while it's possible that the subjugated groups beneath them will manage to revolt just with us providing arms sales Clear Seeds, I'm not at all certain. Presumably they have a near-overwhelming power advantage or they'd have already been overthrown, and as soon as they capture a single Clear Seed the logistics on both sides will even out too. It seems very likely to me that direct intervention on our part will be needed to break up groups operating like those two.
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And if the Iowa group is as much of a Slaughterhouse Nine expy as they seem, they probably have overwhelming power and little clear reasons or goals. "The world is cruel, unfeeling, and insane so I'm going to match it" is just as likely of a reaction to the realities of the meguca world as it is to the horror of Earth Bet. The Clear Seeds aren't going to be particularly meaningful to them either, besides as a way to get infinite grief cleaning. And their nature as nomads means that an organized revolt against them isn't likely to form before they skip town and show up somewhere with less resistance. That seems like at least one group where us organizing a strike team is the best bet at stopping them.
 
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Omniatrix said:
And if the Iowa group is as much of a Slaughterhouse Nine expy as they seem, they probably have overwhelming power and little clear reasons or goals. "The world is cruel, unfeeling, and insane so I'm going to match it" is just as likely of a reaction to the realities of the meguca world as it is to the horror of Earth Bet. The Clear Seeds aren't going to be particularly meaningful to them either, besides as a way to get infinite grief cleaning. And their nature as nomads means that an organized revolt against them isn't likely to form before they skip town and show up somewhere with less resistance. That seems like at least one group where us organizing a strike team is the best bet at stopping them.
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Agreed.

I'm against forming a "Sabrina Empire" for a whole bunch of reasons, but needing to break up particularly nasty holdouts after Clear Seeds are introduced seems basically inevitable.
 
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"Yep!" Kirika says, beaming happily. "Oriko said 'ask if Sabrina has a spare Clear Seed we can borrow'. Borrowing means we return it later!"
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You know, unless O&K really got to the point of talking with each other merely by staring into each other's eyes...

Considering they were inside the Privacy Sphere with Anri...

... I'm picturing Oriko and Kirika totally huddling together suspiciously whiel talked in hushed tones after having got up and walked as far away from Anri as they could without leaving the bubble.

Kirika, of course, would've been intently keeping watch on Anri at all times while huddling-whispering with Oriko.
 
Redshirt Army said:
The San Shi Hui and Saja run a protection racket and tribute system respectively. They won't want to give up that power just because we're introducing Clear Seeds - and while it's possible that the subjugated groups beneath them will manage to revolt just with us providing arms sales Clear Seeds, I'm not at all certain. Presumably they have a near-overwhelming power advantage or they'd have already been overthrown, and as soon as they capture a single Clear Seed the logistics on both sides will even out too. It seems very likely to me that direct intervention on our part will be needed to break up groups operating like those two.
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They don't have to revolt, they can just leave. That's not an issue those groups will have ever had to deal with before, because magical girls need territory, so there's no reason to expect them to be able to stop it. It's not like they can set up border controls.

EDIT: Admittedly, that's not so helpful for any new contracts in those areas. But there's going to be lots of places where new contracts won't get our help for the foreseeable future no matter what.
 
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Skelm said:
They don't have to revolt, they can just leave. That's not an issue those groups will have ever had to deal with before, because magical girls need territory, so there's no reason to expect them to be able to stop it. It's not like they can set up border controls.

EDIT: Admittedly, that's not so helpful for any new contracts in those areas. But there's going to be lots of places where new contracts won't get our help for the foreseeable future no matter what.
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Well, the problem with the 'they can just leave' argument is as always, that leaving one's own home is not easy in and of itself.

We will need to deal with those groups in due time. Though they might also start reacting to our actions before we are ready for them...
 
Onmur said:
Well, the problem with the 'they can just leave' argument is as always, that leaving one's own home is not easy in and of itself.
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Precisely. If "just leaving" was easy, the subjugated groups would already be doing it - while finding a new hunting ground isn't trivial, the regimes they're under were called out as egregiously bad, globally, by Nadia. If nearly anywhere would be better than under those groups rule, then it can be assumed that the people who remain are unable or unwilling to leave for any number of reasons.

I can absolutely imagine the "worst of the worst" groups using something like threats to families to keep those under them in line, for example.
 
About Ribbon Grid.
Unless Magic Amplifier+Ribbon Mumi increases Sabrina's range by a factor of 30 to 100, she's not going to have much luck with it.
And that's if Asunaro is a relatively small city without extensive suburbs.

We could always do it anyway just as an excuse for Soul-snuggles For Science In The Name of The Most Illustrious Empress Mami Tomoe, Long May She Reign!
 
Redshirt Army said:
Agreed.

I'm against forming a "Sabrina Empire" for a whole bunch of reasons, but needing to break up particularly nasty holdouts after Clear Seeds are introduced seems basically inevitable.
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The thing about Sabrina and company fighting awful groups who we know are awful, is we can skip diplomacy, and bring Homura in for some Homuplomacy. With guns and time stop and supersonic Mobile Oppression Fortress. Find offending magical girls, shoot in the head from within timestop, capture soul gem and body, float on. Be done in literally less than a second because that's how we roll when we don't feel merciful.

No need for actually taking over the territory, though we can totally check with some of the people there who aren't assholes to let them know they are in charge now, and while they should be nice, and we can provide Clear Seeds in exchange for said continued niceness, we don't really care what they do otherwise.

So less an Empire and more a bunch of Sabrina Protectorates where people's safety is guaranteed by our ability to show up very quickly when called upon.
 
065tdsa said:
The thing about Sabrina and company fighting awful groups who we know are awful, is we can skip diplomacy, and bring Homura in for some Homuplomacy. With guns and time stop and supersonic Mobile Oppression Fortress. Find offending magical girls, shoot in the head from within timestop, capture soul gem and body, float on. Be done in literally less than a second because that's how we roll when we don't feel merciful.

No need for actually taking over the territory, though we can totally check with some of the people there who aren't assholes to let them know they are in charge now, and while they should be nice, and we can provide Clear Seeds in exchange for said continued niceness, we don't really care what they do otherwise.

So less an Empire and more a bunch of Sabrina Protectorates where people's safety is guaranteed by our ability to show up very quickly when called upon.
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*suddenly all of the horrible magical girls just get flat stomped*
man i wonder how scared people would be with the homu brina combo after that, cause like, those two could figuratively do what ever they fucking feel like goddamn.
 
dredloki said:
*suddenly all of the horrible magical girls just get flat stomped*
man i wonder how scared people would be with the homu brina combo after that, cause like, those two could figuratively do what ever they fucking feel like goddamn.
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I have a plan.
We can "alleviate" their worries by saying we are just low-time enforces of the Eternal Empress Mami.
So after we stomp flat all the hostile Meguca groups
And only fearful worshippers will be left
They are all gonna be like
Hail Empress Mami
We offer her to sit back and enjoy and act all mysterious and shit, without doing anything
So that magical girls would live in constant fear not of us, but of what Mami Tomoe would do if she ever had to get up from her Golden Throne.
This will have no repercussions whatsoever.:V
 
065tdsa said:
The thing about Sabrina and company fighting awful groups who we know are awful, is we can skip diplomacy, and bring Homura in for some Homuplomacy. With guns and time stop and supersonic Mobile Oppression Fortress. Find offending magical girls, shoot in the head from within timestop, capture soul gem and body, float on. Be done in literally less than a second because that's how we roll when we don't feel merciful.

No need for actually taking over the territory, though we can totally check with some of the people there who aren't assholes to let them know they are in charge now, and while they should be nice, and we can provide Clear Seeds in exchange for said continued niceness, we don't really care what they do otherwise.

So less an Empire and more a bunch of Sabrina Protectorates where people's safety is guaranteed by our ability to show up very quickly when called upon.
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Then we can start needling Oriko about not having her precog because it would be so fucking useful. :p

Mmm... We totally need to collect more information about those groups. It would be useful if we found some of the Iowa group's victims, to ask about the Iowa group, though that might or might not very extremely difficult.

For the Saja and the San Shi Hui, if we can infiltrate their cities before attacking them, and get info from opressedgucas, that would be useful. Probably easier than getting detailed info on Iowa.

... Maybe once the big groups are dealt with, Nadia will be more forthcoming with information? We kind of need it.

Raiseth said:
I have a plan.
We can "alleviate" their worries by saying we are just low-time enforces of the Eternal Empress Mami.
So after we stomp flat all the hostile Meguca groups
And only fearful worshippers will be left
They are all gonna be like
Hail Empress Mami
We offer her to sit back and enjoy and act all mysterious and shit, without doing anything
So that magical girls would live in constant fear not of us, but of what Mami Tomoe would do if she ever had to get up from her Golden Throne.
This will have no repercussions whatsoever.:V
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I will only support us if Sabrina's always sitting on her Golden Throne (Mami's lap) while she's not bringing down Mami's Law on evilgucas.
 
065tdsa said:
The thing about Sabrina and company fighting awful groups who we know are awful, is we can skip diplomacy, and bring Homura in for some Homuplomacy. With guns and time stop and supersonic Mobile Oppression Fortress. Find offending magical girls, shoot in the head from within timestop, capture soul gem and body, float on. Be done in literally less than a second because that's how we roll when we don't feel merciful.
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inb4 the leader of the Iowa group has some conceptual bullshit that reflects harm done to her onto her attackers or some shit.

Homura's timestop is very, very good. Don't make the mistake of thinking it's undefeatable.
 
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