The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Not that one, but pretty much all the others.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Kirika wouldn't give a shit anyway.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, because we shouldn't lie. We should say that we chose to let her go, because not letting her escape might have upset her.
Because that's what happened.
We didn't take the Clear Seed back from her. We need to get it back, period. Otherwise our word and guarantees are worth absolutely nothing, because we can't even enforce a case in our own backyard when we outnumber the perpetrator a dozen to one.
And are you seriously prepared to take Hijiri at her word about anything, let alone something like "I won't hurt anyone, ever"? She already stole from Niko, instigated an attack on the Pleiades, and then attacked us.
We already warned her about Kyubey.
Hijiri is not just a danger to the Pleiades and everyone else, she's a danger to herself, as well. She might well wander into someone else's territory, get detected, and then (due to her bitchiness, stubbornness, myopia, and rebellious streak) needlessly start or instigate a fight. It's entirely possible that, being in someone else's territory alone, she is defeated by virtue of being outnumbered, on unfamiliar ground, and lacking experience. They find her Clear Seed, take it for themselves, and then kick her out--along with any injuries she has.
Hijiri then probably dies, because she's a clueless, stubborn, bitchy malcontent with injuries, no Grief Seeds, and no allies or friends.
Or she leaves somewhere, does something foolish, gets her Clear Seed taken from her, then kicked out. Enraged, upset, and not having anywhere else to go, she decides to get some revenge against Niko before she dies.
Or she goes around, mouths off to various magical girls, says that she isn't poaching and doesn't need to hunt because she's got this Clear Seed, and whenever someone tries to stop her, she teleports somewhere else. Word gets around about this bitchy, stubborn malcontent that intrudes on everyone's territory just because she can, shows off this Clear Seed, and disappears at will. Maybe word gets around--or rumors start flying--that she stole it from someone else. We then look really bad, like we can't enforce jack shit, and our word isn't worth shit, either.
EDIT: Does Hijiri have the stolen Clear Seed? If she doesn't, she's almost certainly going to get herself killed. If she does, she might just get herself killed anyway.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
EDIT: @Kaizuki , consider the bit in yellow?
OK, I still feel something's missing.
... How does this look? We have words to work with. I think what's important (besides gushing over Mami) is to note which actions take most priority. Everything else can happen whenever the opportunity pops up?
[] Urgent (#1): Civillians in danger.
-[] Check on, protect, and heal the civillians if necessary.
-[] Telepathy all: Explain the threat.
--[] Remove/contain the gas.
--[] Can Niko neutralize it?
[] Urgent (#2): Hijiri's escaped.
-[] Apologize. Explain your surprise at the teleportation; you could have stopped her, but feared triggering her control issues, both because it might've destroyed all chances of solving her issues, and because you didn't think Niko would've liked seeing Hijiri's reaction then. You let her go.
[] Anri:
-[] Cleanse her. Take the Clear Seed.
-[] Try to get O&K to guard her.
--[] Ask Oriko if she could talk with Anri. Provide details as necessary.
[] Mami:
-[] PRAISE. GUSH. KISS.
-[] Keep the bracelet.
[] Niko, Kazumi, privately, unless they want to share:
-[] Share your thoughts and suspicions about Hijiri, from metaknowledge and from talking with her. Leave nothing out.
We got 250 words to work with, there's no need to scrap all the details we could give Firn to work with, just to get the vote to look smaller.
It's fine if something voted on doesn't get to happen; it's normal, tbh. Better there be fuel for Firn to work with than not.
OK, I still feel something's missing.
... How does this look? We have words to work with. I think what's important (besides gushing over Mami) is to note which actions take most priority. Everything else can happen whenever the opportunity pops up?
[] Urgent (#1): Civillians in danger.
-[] Check on, protect, and heal the civillians if necessary.
-[] Telepathy all: Explain the threat.
--[] Remove/contain the gas.
--[] Can Niko neutralize it?
[] Urgent (#2): Hijiri's escaped.
-[] Apologize. Explain your surprise at the teleportation; you could have stopped her, but feared triggering her control issues, both because it might've destroyed all chances of solving her issues, and because you didn't think Niko would've liked seeing Hijiri's reaction then. You let her go.
[] Anri:
-[] Cleanse her. Take the Clear Seed.
-[] Try to get O&K to guard her.
--[] Ask Oriko if she could talk with Anri. Provide details as necessary.
[] Mami:
-[] PRAISE. GUSH. KISS.
-[] Keep the bracelet.
[] Niko, Kazumi, privately, unless they want to share:
-[] Share your thoughts and suspicions about Hijiri, from metaknowledge and from talking with her. Leave nothing out.
I don't like how... compressed this is. There's details I feel important that are omitted, like asking Oriko about socialing Anri; we probably can just push all the gas out of the building; we should explain why we let Hijiri go, rather than... this line which looks like 'oops she escaped idk'...
We got 250 words to work with, there's no need to scrap all the details we could give Firn to work with, just to get the vote to look smaller.
It's fine if something voted on doesn't get to happen; it's normal, tbh. Better there be fuel for Firn to work with than not.
- Location
- Sweden
I'm pretty sure Anri is the one with the Clear Seed, not Hijiri.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Discussing the Hijiri situation with the Pleiades is going to be a fairly in-depth conversation, and probably a fairly touchy one as well. I suspect that at least some of them are going to be extremely upset. And while Sabrina could do that while also evacuating a building full of civilians, managing an unstable prisoner, and watching for a potential ambush by said prisoner's co-conspirator--all while trying to overcome the effects of poison gas--most people cannot. It is a conversation that will take 100% of their attention, and right now things are a tad bit busy.
I also think that, given the delicacy of the matter, it's a conversation that needs to be a vote unto itself so that we can give the matter our full attention. Likewise for our next attempt to contact Hijiri: I'd bet money that the wording on that is going to be a matter of long and contentious debate. I don't want everything else to get lost in the noise.
And while not stopping Hijiri might have been a choice, the fact that she even got the chance to pull that escape was negligence on our part. We all spaced on the fact that she could use Saki's lightning teleport, otherwise we would have had Kirika standing by with antimagic. That's what the underlined part of the vote is for: antimagic for prisoners needs to become SOP moving forward so we aren't put in that position again.
As for whether we need to take action regarding the gas, the narration (no, not me, Firn's prose) went out of its way to point out that anesthetic gas like this is potentially fatal in real life, so I think that's a hint that we need to do something. Plus it'll keep them too busy to get any ideas about using Anri's unconscious body for a punching bag. Considering that the first ones to succumb to an overdose will be those with the smallest body weight, i.e. children, an army of teddy bears is uniquely well suited to this scenario. And since Mirai seems to be the one who's most in a rage and out for payback, it'll be a good way to get her to shift her mindset from "make them pay" to "saving people."
TL;DR
Long and thorny conversations where people will be pissed off should be their own vote and happen when civilians aren't in danger.
- Location
- ⇙
Last we checked Hijiri didn't have any seeds on her, so unless she has a secret stash of seeds somewhere or steals some, she has no access to cleansing, which doesn't bode well when it comes to her continued existence.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
Yesterday - @Matou Sutegobana - The meaning I intended was "confess to our allies, in order to keep faith with them." For the reason that we did not give them literal immediate warning, and they might feel we are not valuing the safety of their group. Part of Social. Clearer? There would be no occasion for me to cast 'blame' among players, let me assert.
Hmmm. Telepathy Hijiri, say "Anri has gas! And hostages! How to undo it?" Whose formula would it be? That syringe may need disposal, or isolation.
Fireground rescue action ideas: Sabrina could easily create vast air-handling capacity external to the building, inject it at the ground floor, and then open closed spaces to the outdoors. Wide collateral damage, but mostly broken windows and doors. Pressure is faster than suction IRL. Other magic could do similar feats, if the task is handed to Pleiades girls? Someone needs to place fake broken equipment in the building, letting Kyuubey turn this into a "dangerous natural gas leak." Go ahead, have the rat talk someone through the steps, it isn't like the other girls would know how to get it perfect. Make evil work for you - it is hardly the first time it has fogged men's minds to conceal magic. The awful truth is, Kyuubey isn't nearly extinct, so let him do a smaller job, rather than microwaving everyone and giving them brain cancer. Or however he does it. If we ask, I'm sure knowing would be a burden.
Saving kids with teddy bears is cool! Let me add on to that? MedEvac Bear - the variant with a big zipper tummy, and a plush cavity behind that to carry small victims rapidly under closed atmosphere, rough terrain, minor impact. We need more playbook items for counteracting our tendency to create minor disaster scenes for now. Maybe the neighbors can help? Maybe Mirai would love to explore this?
Hmmm. Telepathy Hijiri, say "Anri has gas! And hostages! How to undo it?" Whose formula would it be? That syringe may need disposal, or isolation.
Fireground rescue action ideas: Sabrina could easily create vast air-handling capacity external to the building, inject it at the ground floor, and then open closed spaces to the outdoors. Wide collateral damage, but mostly broken windows and doors. Pressure is faster than suction IRL. Other magic could do similar feats, if the task is handed to Pleiades girls? Someone needs to place fake broken equipment in the building, letting Kyuubey turn this into a "dangerous natural gas leak." Go ahead, have the rat talk someone through the steps, it isn't like the other girls would know how to get it perfect. Make evil work for you - it is hardly the first time it has fogged men's minds to conceal magic. The awful truth is, Kyuubey isn't nearly extinct, so let him do a smaller job, rather than microwaving everyone and giving them brain cancer. Or however he does it. If we ask, I'm sure knowing would be a burden.
Saving kids with teddy bears is cool! Let me add on to that? MedEvac Bear - the variant with a big zipper tummy, and a plush cavity behind that to carry small victims rapidly under closed atmosphere, rough terrain, minor impact. We need more playbook items for counteracting our tendency to create minor disaster scenes for now. Maybe the neighbors can help? Maybe Mirai would love to explore this?
Demosthenes
PhotoFop
- Location
- 'Murica
This arrogance right here is why it might be a good idea to keep an open mind about it. you know what they say about people who assume...
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Well, what happened is we couldn't bind her in a way that didn't risk seriously harming or proving to be effective because Hijiri could bullshit-teleport and no one realized Saki's power had that implication until after Hijiri was already doing it. So, no, this isn't a lie at all. There was an attempt in the succeeding vote to keep her contained while remaining ethical, and we were focusing on getting through to her pretty much mainly for Niko's sake.
Knock it off with this, arguing about past votes isn't fucking helping.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I have no idea if Mirai can create a new variant like that on the spot. I'll let her decide the best way to employ her teddy bear troops; she knows their capabilities better than we do.
- Location
- Illinois
Stick with the "didnt want to use excessive force" line. It's true enough and sounds better.
Need to leave QB's name out. Unspecified hostile force. QB-bomb is a distraction atm.
K ig
Must I say this again? The "Hijiri can teleport" line leads, it does not follow. This is basic social, people -- don't allow hysterical reactionism.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[Q] allow hysterical reactionism
Down with the cat overlords that walk over us humans and force us to give pats!
[X] Kaizuki
9 votes total
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
On one hand, Kaizuki's vote has semi-good Social.
On the other hand, Narrator's vote has us actually doing something about the gas.
Decisions, decisions...
On the other hand, Narrator's vote has us actually doing something about the gas.
Decisions, decisions...
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
- Location
- London, 1935. August.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[x] Kaizuki
Yeah, we really need to do something about the gas too. Also, in regards to the absolutely for-sure not-important hostage - are we certain that Asunaro Almonds aren't a thing yet? I haven't read PMKM, but from what I understand they could be used to create pseudo-witches out of random people. You'd think we'd sense it, but it would nice if we were sure.
Yeah, we really need to do something about the gas too. Also, in regards to the absolutely for-sure not-important hostage - are we certain that Asunaro Almonds aren't a thing yet? I haven't read PMKM, but from what I understand they could be used to create pseudo-witches out of random people. You'd think we'd sense it, but it would nice if we were sure.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I really hope not, considering they're made out of witched out Soul Gems.
I mean, there's less worse ways for Hijiri to dig her own grave. :|
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I'm trying not to micromanage what order we do things, just lay out what needs to be done ASAP.
If it's really an issue, I can make a minor adjustment.
That seems like something our Grief senses would pick up immediately.
- Location
- Illinois
[X] Telepathy allies: there is gas in the building. Getting the civilians out would be good. (Start on this yourself)
[X] Simul: remove gas from building
[X] Simul: Make sure Bear doesn't hurt Anri too much.
[X] Simul: Cleanse Anri, take the clear seed.
[X] Telepathy the Pleiades, Sayaka, Mami: Hijiri, it would seem, has the entire powerset, including teleportation via lightning bolt. Why she didn't just break that out the first time you have no idea, but you completely failed to anticipate it and you had no way to stop her without excessive force, which... you don't think Niko would have wanted. Anri had the clear seed with her.
-[X] Could you speak with Kazumi and Niko for a bit at earliest convenience?
[X] Mami
-[X] You are going to gush over what she just did when you have a free moment. That was incredible.
-[X] Keep bracelet.
[X] Kazumi, Niko
-[X] Suppose Hijiri had only been made aware she was a clone created by Niko, that Niko sometimes watched her, that she didn't remember the shooting, and that the Pleiades were a powerful group... And that it was implied to her that Niko was up to whatever bad shit might be theorized from there. Does that jibe with their observations of Hijiri today?
--[X] If asked, yes, you're suggesting that Hijiri is plausibly a victim of enemy action, given that she had no access to actual observation of Niko. She had to come to these conclusions somehow, and on top of that she had to make a wish that would have given her access to the Pleiades' powerset.
[X] Simul: remove gas from building
[X] Simul: Make sure Bear doesn't hurt Anri too much.
[X] Simul: Cleanse Anri, take the clear seed.
[X] Telepathy the Pleiades, Sayaka, Mami: Hijiri, it would seem, has the entire powerset, including teleportation via lightning bolt. Why she didn't just break that out the first time you have no idea, but you completely failed to anticipate it and you had no way to stop her without excessive force, which... you don't think Niko would have wanted. Anri had the clear seed with her.
-[X] Could you speak with Kazumi and Niko for a bit at earliest convenience?
[X] Mami
-[X] You are going to gush over what she just did when you have a free moment. That was incredible.
-[X] Keep bracelet.
[X] Kazumi, Niko
-[X] Suppose Hijiri had only been made aware she was a clone created by Niko, that Niko sometimes watched her, that she didn't remember the shooting, and that the Pleiades were a powerful group... And that it was implied to her that Niko was up to whatever bad shit might be theorized from there. Does that jibe with their observations of Hijiri today?
--[X] If asked, yes, you're suggesting that Hijiri is plausibly a victim of enemy action, given that she had no access to actual observation of Niko. She had to come to these conclusions somehow, and on top of that she had to make a wish that would have given her access to the Pleiades' powerset.
TJSomething
That's... that's impossible!
[X] Kaizuki