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AuraTwilight said:
Well, what happened is we couldn't bind her in a way that didn't risk seriously harming or proving to be effective because Hijiri could bullshit-teleport and no one realized Saki's power had that implication until after Hijiri was already doing it. So, no, this isn't a lie at all. There was an attempt in the succeeding vote to keep her contained while remaining ethical, and we were focusing on getting through to her pretty much mainly for Niko's sake.

Knock it off with this, arguing about past votes isn't fucking helping.
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Well, congrats. Because you insisted on treating a prisoner who was escaping with kid gloves, she now has a strong chance of getting herself killed when she wanders into someone else's territory with nothing but the clothes on her back, a bitchy and selfish attitude, and no knowledge or experience about how to handle herself. That, or she decides to take revenge against the Pleiades.

I don't imagine either of those two are going to end in anything less than "serious harm" to Hijiri.

And, frankly, taking Hijiri's gem would teach her "acting out=losing control", which is a good lesson for her to learn. Instead, she's learned the opposite: "acting out=gaining more control". Guess what kind of course of action she'll be inclined to take even more from now on? We've already seen this happen: once she escaped, Hijiri became more melodramatic, more confident, more insistent on acting out. Which has made dealing with her issues all the more difficult. Assuming we even get a chance to deal with them again.

Arguing about past votes is important, because it's the only way for some people to learn. Studying history is always important, after all. Otherwise, you're doomed to make the same mistakes over and over again.
 
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Onmur said:
I really hope not, considering they're made out of witched out Soul Gems.
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No they're not.

SaltyWaffles said:
Well, congrats. Because you insisted on treating a prisoner who was escaping with kid gloves, she now has a strong chance of getting herself killed when she wanders into someone else's territory with nothing but the clothes on her back, a bitchy and selfish attitude, and no knowledge or experience about how to handle herself. That, or she decides to take revenge against the Pleiades.

I don't imagine either of those two are going to end in anything less than "serious harm" to Hijiri.
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Well, you can complain if either of these two scenarios happen. Right now there's reasonable cause for doubt on making any assumptions about her behavior.

And, frankly, taking Hijiri's gem would teach her "acting out=losing control", which is a good lesson for her to learn. Instead, she's learned the opposite: "acting out=gaining more control". Guess what kind of course of action she'll be inclined to take even more from now on? We've already seen this happen: once she escaped, Hijiri became more melodramatic, more confident, more insistent on acting out. Which has made dealing with her issues all the more difficult. Assuming we even get a chance to deal with them again.

Arguing about past votes is important, because it's the only way for some people to learn. Studying history is always important, after all. Otherwise, you're doomed to make the same mistakes over and over again.
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No, we're absolutely not teaching people they can be reduced to objects for annoying us. Fuck this. That's abuse, and I'd rather have someone fucking act out and be a petulant brat than self-destruct and possibly die.

[x] Kaizuki
 
AuraTwilight said:
No they're not.
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I'm re-checking and I guess not. There's this shot while Saki is witching out, which I read as Hijiri taking her Gem, transforming it into an Asunaro Almond and injecting it into Saki... but apparently she just made the Almond appear and... it did absolutely nothing? Like, I'm confused. Injecting the Almond into Saki made her suffer more pain, but that seems to be it.

It's so pointless, I think that's what confused me.
 
Not too happy how this came out. But the idea is out of my head now, so have a snippet/omake anyway. :V


Umika's living room was packed, thirteen magical girls standing or sitting around.

Three of them stood in the center of the room, two of them in the middle of an argument, the rest watching intently.

"... When I said you were giving up, I meant you were giving up on peace," said Sabrina patiently. Before Hijiri could answer, she continued. "You can't have peace and revenge, that's not how it works."

The twin tailed girl grit her teeth, fuming. "Only because of you," she bit out.

"Even-" cut in the taller girl, frowning morosely "-if you somehow got your petty revenge, you wouldn't be at peace, because you know what? You'd have to live with it.

"You saw Niko cry," said girl flinched and looked down, prompting Kazumi's hand to grab her own. "Did you enjoy it, Hijiri?" asked Sabrina. "Because that's not what it looked like to me."

The cloned Kanna looked away, lips curving into a frown. "You can't understand-"

"This again?" a white eyebrow arced regally.

Hijiri fumed. "I just..." she growled, "I want to live in peace, have my own life-"

"I believe that," said the white haired girl earnestly, "I believe you want a life of your own, a peaceful one without-"

"If you did," snarled the blonde, "you wouldn't have hunted me down. If you hadn't stopped me, I'd have..."

Hijiri's words died in her throat; her yellow eyes trailed down her left arm, which sported an inocuous looking bracelet. Inocuous to normal people; to Sabrina's eyes, it looked wrong, a magical void of... magic.

Off to a side, Kirika puffed herself up with pride, orange eyes focused on the argument from her seat atop Oriko's lap.

"After that stunt I'm literally the only person in this room who's trying to help you," said Sabrina, frustration leaking into her voice, "and this is the last chance I can give you." The Pleiades' looks grew heavy on the arguing pair. "So how about you stop fighting me every step of the way?"

"Help me? Bah," Hijiri spat, crossing her arms. "That's what you call imprisoning me. Why don't you just leave me alone? Just... go away!" she yelled angrily.

"Hijiri?" Sabrina's tone turned somber. "I need you to stop being difficult for one time in your life and think very, very carefully about what Mirai is going to do to you if I step out of this room."

The blonde's mouth hung open, a retort frozen on her tongue. Slowly, her head swiveled, sweeping across the room, over all the magical girls watching their interaction, from Mami, who stood close to Sabrina's side, to Kazumi, whose red eyes flickered back and forth between them, to Niko, who was trying her best to not fidget in place, to Umika, Kaoru, Sayaka, Satomi, Oriko and Kirika, Saki, and...

Mirai's eyes smoldered in their sockets, the fluffy haired girl slowly drawing a finger accross her throat as she glared at the cloned Kanna.

Hijiri flinched, instinctively stepping behind Sabrina.

"So," drawled the taller girl with an eyebrow raised, "care to reconsider?"

Yellow eyes flickered up to meet hers, then poked around her arm-

Multiple pairs of blood red eyes shone with murder framing the pink haired girl's darkened visage, the promise of pain and death in those orbs only matched by the screeching clatter of their sharpened metal teeth-

"Mirai!" chides Saki as Hijiri squeaked an 'eep!' and hid behind Sabrina, shuddering.

The short girl's pink eyes fluttered innocently as she turned to her close friend, taking one of the suddenly much cuter looking teddy bears in her arms and smiling brightly.

The monocle wearing girl sighed fondly and rubbed Mirai's head, the fluffy girl leaning into it contentedly.

From behind the pink girl's leg, one of the teddy bears stared at Hijiri, one of its paws pointing at its own eyes, then at the blonde.

"So, what do you say, Hijiri?" prompted Sabrina. "Give peace a try?"

With one last look at the glaring teddy bear, the clone girl gulped and nodded.
 
Onmur said:
I'm re-checking and I guess not. There's this shot while Saki is witching out, which I read as Hijiri taking her Gem, transforming it into an Asunaro Almond and injecting it into Saki... but apparently she just made the Almond appear and... it did absolutely nothing? Like, I'm confused. Injecting the Almond into Saki made her suffer more pain, but that seems to be it.

It's so pointless, I think that's what confused me.
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Asunaro Almonds seem to speed up Witch Outs, so...idk.

Conjured Blade said:
Is that an axiomatic principle or one not meant to be analyzed out of context?

In other words...

If we're unlucky enough to end up Empress and have a predictable set of standards for when we gem people and how long, is it still an issue?
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I think "Don't do things you have near-certainty will permanently break people's minds" is a pretty fucking good axiom.
 
[X] Kaizuki

Some parts of this feel a little too simultaneous, but I suppose it's necessary.

Once again, our greatest power proves to be Magic-Multitasking.
 
So, seeing those few pages of Kazumi Magica again, there's something to say about how Mirai will turn completely batshit and fuck someone, anyone up with the right incentive-

No wait, I wanted to say something else. Damn it, Mirai.

Both Hijiri and Anri, if they have a chance in PMAS, it's pretty much because Firn wouldn't reduce himself to writing mediocre characters.

If you look at them, both of these PMKM villains are pretty damn similar in some ways. Well, besides the convolutedness that is that both of them are witchbombed before Wishing, they've both got some magical identity problems going on... Well, both of these villain characters have a backstory that says why they do what they do, how have they suffered...

But why do their backstories mean they're... well, them? There's kind of a skip through the two dimensional plane that turns them from a set of somewhat convoluted backstory elements and into a pair of not-all-there possible-psychopaths.

At least, in regards to the Pleiades, both Anri and Hijiri are sadists. They literally get off their pain. Add the Soujus to the list, and it feels the PMKM writers couldn't really figure out how to make a villain work... without turning them into a bit of a caricature... and cloning them over and over. But hey, that's in theme, at least.

So Firn adds in the third dimension, and that's why I think Hijiri might not be a sadist psychopath beyond redeeming.

Screw Anri tho. :V
 
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Conjured Blade said:
Is that an axiomatic principle or one not meant to be analyzed out of context?

In other words...

If we're unlucky enough to end up Empress and have a predictable set of standards for when we gem people and how long, is it still an issue?
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Something something police, something something courts of law, something something the accumulated societal progress of the last two thousand years.
 
Onmur said:
So, seeing those few pages of Kazumi Magica again, there's something to say about how Mirai will turn completely batshit and fuck someone, anyone up with the right incentive-

No wait, I wanted to say something else. Damn it, Mirai.

Both Hijiri and Anri, if they have a chance in PMAS, it's pretty much because Firn wouldn't reduce himself to writing mediocre characters.

If you look at them, both of these PMKM villains are pretty damn similar in some ways. Well, besides the convolutedness that is that both of them are witchbombed before Wishing, they've both got some magical identity problems going on... Well, both of these villain characters have a backstory that says why they do what they do, how have they suffered...

But why do their backstories mean they're... well, them? There's kind of a skip through the two dimensional plane that turns them from a set of somewhat convoluted backstory elements and into a pair of not-all-there possible-psychopaths.

At least, in regards to the Pleiades, both Anri and Hijiri are sadists. They literally get off their pain. Add the Soujus to the list, and it feels the PMKM writers couldn't really figure out how to make a villain work... without turning them into a bit of a caricature... and cloning them over and over. But hey, that's in theme, at least.

So Firn adds in the third dimension, and that's why I think Hijiri might not be a sadist psychopath beyond redeeming.

Screw Anri tho. :V
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Our best chance with Anri is that she cooperates for a while if she can be convinced there's hope for Yuuri. And then if we succeed, can be convinced by Yuuri to not revenge and not suicide from past deeds. The best case would be a crazier Kirika, there's a very long and difficult road from revenge no morals sadist villain to there.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Our best chance with Anri is that she cooperates for a while if she can be convinced there's hope for Yuuri. And then if we succeed, can be convinced by Yuuri to not revenge and not suicide from past deeds. The best case would be a crazier Kirika, there's a very long and difficult road from revenge no morals sadist villain to there.
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Well, I can't really say how would Anri react to Yuuri possibly being alive, what with her Wish.

Like, I truly can't really fathom how she'll take that. I've only got vague notions of doom.
 
AuraTwilight said:
Asunaro Almonds seem to speed up Witch Outs, so...idk.
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As far as I can tell, an Evil Nut is essentially just a hypodermic needle full of Grief. Puella Magi can't vent Grief from their souls naturally, so the stored Grief is dumped into the Soul Gem. Humans can, but can't handle such a large lump sum all at once, and are twisted-- temporarily-- into a visage of their inner demons (the pseudo-Witch) until the mass of Grief can burn off into the atmosphere. For the Bad Science folks from a few thousand pages ago who wondered "What would happen if we forced Grief into a normal human?", my hypothesis would be "Basically that".

On the upside, this should mean that if they ever become employed as weapons, we should be able to neutralize the effect instantly by cleansing the victim. What I'm curious about is whether a magical girl can cleanse herself by constructing them, using the Grief in her own Soul Gem. It's a topic worth researching, as an emergency cleansing technique given a lack of access to seeds/Sabrina. I'd bet good money that it's a rare but not unheard of technology generally, and that Riodh already knows how to make them.
 
So we don't actually know what Asunaro Almonds are supposed to be, do we? I mean, I doubt the PMKM writers know, but that still means nobody actually knows...

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... By the way, we should check if "Asunaro Almonds" is a brand that actually exists in PMAS.
 
Always Happening said:
As far as I can tell, an Evil Nut is essentially just a hypodermic needle full of Grief. Puella Magi can't vent Grief from their souls naturally, so the stored Grief is dumped into the Soul Gem. Humans can, but can't handle such a large lump sum all at once, and are twisted-- temporarily-- into a visage of their inner demons (the pseudo-Witch) until the mass of Grief can burn off into the atmosphere. For the Bad Science folks from a few thousand pages ago who wondered "What would happen if we forced Grief into a normal human?", my hypothesis would be "Basically that".

On the upside, this should mean that if they ever become employed as weapons, we should be able to neutralize the effect instantly by cleansing the victim. What I'm curious about is whether a magical girl can cleanse herself by constructing them, using the Grief in her own Soul Gem. It's a topic worth researching, as an emergency cleansing technique given a lack of access to seeds/Sabrina. I'd bet good money that it's a rare but not unheard of technology generally, and that Riodh already knows how to make them.
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This isn't consistent with how they're made or how Incubators refuse to eat one. They're not Grief, they're subjects of magic. Matter reconstruction, mind manipulation, and the other Pleiade powersets connected together in a nasty slurry. They might instead payload a psychic program to make the mind produce assloads of grief due to a new thought process, then direct that grief to reshape the body. There's matter/biology manipulation, mind manipulation, Mirai's power seems to basically be Familiarmancy and generally witch-simulating in weird ways, etc...

The Asunaro Almonds are just bundles of Pleaide-magic that are programmed to simulate an artificial Witch Out; it's actually magic, which is why Kazumi is able to Antimagic them to normal, and why Umika has to memory-wipe them afterwards.
 
I bet not even Hijiri knows what the Almonds are. I mean, she uses one to witch out Saki... while Saki is in the process of witching out.

Maybe one day she was just experimenting with magic while feeling glum and figured she could mix magic X and magic Y and get product Z and thought it looked cool. Then figured how to use them for evil. Probably by accident.

Though we do need to keep in mind it's Niko who names the Almonds by that... terrible name, not Hijiri. So at least Hijiri didn't commit that crime.

Also, the Almonds have a special effect on Kazumi (all Kazumi clones?) which speed up their Witchification (?). (Though it doesn't ultimately work on Kazumi Subaru). What's up with that, do we really know?
 
Maybe we should start answering all these questions with:
"Because Magic Kazumi Magica, bitchez, I ain't gonna explain shit."
Could someone make a meme with a picture of smiling Kazumi saying this?
 
I mean, based on Saki's Witch's behavior it's possible the Asunaro Almonds let her control witches? Umika's mind control is in there, after all.
 
Saki's also committed suicide, IIRC?
Meaning she defied both her nature as a Witch and Hijiri's mind control.
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That's what happens when you're outsourcing too much.
 
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