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Dial it down a notch
dial it down a notch Let's table the tangent on rape culture. It's not doing the thread's tone any good and if the discussion has gone far enough that it's frustrating the QM, well, that's about as close to the textbook definition of disruption as it gets. This is also a general request that everyone take a step back and chill a bit, because otherwise we're headed for infractionville.
 
Guys, can we please stop this?
It was funny the first 3 hours, but now its getting really dumb,
The QM himself already stated that some rape culture, Patriarchy crap (That you have to stretch really hard to get) wasn't intended and that the scene is suppose to be not even a notch above innocent.

Edit: Oh shit Mod to the rescue!! :p
I got ninja'd
 
[x]Yes
-[x]use Multiform. One says "ok you and me against the two of them. That way I can evaluate your crowd fighting and team fighting."
 
[x]Yes
-[x]use Multiform. One says "ok you and me against the two of them. That way I can evaluate your crowd fighting and team fighting."
 
Been talking on a Discord server with someone, and they pointed out that there's a good reason to say no, besides your opinion of rape culture, whether this sets bad precedents etc etc.

Namely, that as an embarrassed young teen who's also realized his mistake, and is going to be "beating himself up over it" in Poptarts own words, saying no is the kinda thing to do, as otherwise he's going to be feeling guilty over this.

Also, Berra would likely be happier if we say "no".
 
Now, if he later mans up and actually dares to ask in a proper setting. Or anywhere not in front of a crowd staring at us in an important event, after stuffing his foot so far down his throat it went back down his pant leg, that'd be different.
... Kakara is the Gokun Scion. She is literal royalty. Well, Gokun royalty, but still. Combined with the fact that, quite frankly, I somewhat doubt their social circles intersect and... well, this whole debacle that literally every party involved and viewing recognizes as such, and...

Honestly, I would expect someone that courageous and foolish to volunteer to delay the dragon while the Lord(s) and Scion(s) got stuff ready.

I'm still abstaining from stating an opinion one way or the other, I'm just pointing out that what you posed is... let's say highly unlikely to happen and leave it at that.

EDIT: Mod ninja! :o
 
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Some thoughts:

-We would do well to have a public fight, socio/politically speaking.
-We actually can't win a fight without massively overpowering our opponent, since everyone here outskills us.
-Since he's literally asked for it, he's inadvertently given just what we need to make a proper showing without being judged for relying on power.
-This situation gives us/dad more political power, and having it go as well as possible would be good.
-It's the equivalent of a dance.
-We can literally shatter every bone in his body with the flick of a wrist if it comes down to it.
 
... Kakara is the Gokun Scion. She is literal royalty. Well, Gokun royalty, but still. Combined with the fact that, quite frankly, I somewhat doubt their social circles intersect and...
To be fair, he's heir of a house famous for its loyalty to, and support of, the Gokun royal line. It would totally not be a surprise if they were at least acquainted and to some extent moved in the same social circles.

Insofar as they don't, it's probably because Kakara spends most of her social downtime with her human friends as "Karen."
 
[alert=Dial it down a notch]Let's table the tangent on rape culture. It's not doing the thread's tone any good and if the discussion has gone far enough that it's frustrating the QM, well, that's about as close to the textbook definition of disruption as it gets. This is also a general request that everyone take a step back and chill a bit, because otherwise we're headed for infractionville.[/alert]
Oh sweet Jesus thank you so much.
 
Violation of Rules 4 & 5 - Continuing a derail after a staff directive to desist.
The thing is... I don't think the way he asked exerted meaningful pressure. You can't use social pressure to compel someone if they would not suffer any social penalties for saying "no."

I totally agree that boys who try to use social pressure to leverage girls into accepting dates should get smacked down.

I don't agree that this is an instance of such in any but the most lawyerly sense of the term.

How frequently do we see media wherein a teenager agonizes over something small and dumb they did, but nobody else cares? How frequently does it happen in real life?

Social pressure can be exerted even without it being conscious.

Guys, can we please stop this?
It was funny the first 3 hours, but now its getting really dumb,
The QM himself already stated that some rape culture, Patriarchy crap (That you have to stretch really hard to get) wasn't intended and that the scene is suppose to be not even a notch above innocent.

I can't tell if you've been intentionally trying to be disrespectful to everyone opposing you this entire time or not. But you aren't really contributing anything with these sorts of comments and are dragging down the quality of the very important discussion here.

Now, there's something to be said about criticizing a work of literature (even one as loosely defined as a quest) when you and several others get a particular type of vibe from said work. Like, even if you don't intend for X to come across and even if you don't agree with X on principle, that doesn't mean that it isn't there for someone else. And if more than a couple of people see it, it's worth actually addressing and acknowledging. Otherwise it's a clear display of an author who isn't looking for ways to improve, not if they (let alone the toxic voterbase here) can't acknowledge that things can look completely different than you intended it.

@PoptartProdigy I think you have an issue here with this post and the way you've handled it thus far. Cutting in only to say "You're looking at this from your perspective, which is wrong, instead of mine" instead of "I don't see where you see this issue, help me understand." Hell, the attempts to shut down conversation without addressing any of the rather noxious displays from the voterbase that were also trying to shut down the conversation (such as most of everything @Ghostdevil posted) gives off an impression that you don't particularly care about whatever misunderstanding seems to be going on here.

The situation that the MC is put in is a direct parallel to many a one that real life people experience daily. Ignoring that doesn't make it not exist, even in subtext. Therefore, even if the one who put her in this position is regretful, he still hasn't backed down or done anything overt to address this type of gross behavior. That the majority of voters are put off by people being bothered by this says something. And between us both, it's not saying anything good.

I guess the question is: How is it that you want criticism in the future, since various forms of it throughout this conversation seemed to offend you?
 
I can't tell if you've been intentionally trying to be disrespectful to everyone opposing you this entire time or not. But you aren't really contributing anything with these sorts of comments and are dragging down the quality of the very important discussion here.
First off Mod post, Second off, this isn't an important Discussion, its a derail based off a major overreaction, If I seem disrespectful its because you all are dragging the quest down to feed your guys' egos over something that has zero connection to Real Life events
Edit: Shit letting myself get drawn back in, Ignoring this now, don't want to get infracted for disregarding the mods
 
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Except the posters are a point of the criticism as well.

I find it interesting that your solution to having a dissenting opinion is "take it where I can't see it." Think about what that implies and get back to me.
We've literally just had a mod warning that this is disrupting the thread and to drop it. The poster you are replying to suggests taking it elsewhere so you don't further disrupt the thread. Otherwise, drop it.
 
We've literally just had a mod warning that this is disrupting the thread and to drop it. The poster you are replying to suggests taking it elsewhere so you don't further disrupt the thread. Otherwise, drop it.

@Orm Embar just so we're clear, and I'm not skirting any impending infractions, is giving constructive criticism- negative as it may be- on the way a GM handled an in character choice and out of character justification an issue?
 
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph I thought we had moved on!

Does the colored box at the top of the page mean nothing?

*takes moment to reread colored box*

Ah. Just the rape culture bit was forbidden. Drat.

The situation that the MC is put in is a direct parallel to many a one that real life people experience daily. Ignoring that doesn't make it not exist, even in subtext. Therefore, even if the one who put her in this position is regretful, he still hasn't backed down or done anything overt to address this type of gross behavior. That the majority of voters are put off by people being bothered by this says something. And between us both, it's not saying anything good.

...The majority of the thread was put off? Last time I looked that wasn't the case. Give me a second to get a tally.
Adhoc vote count started by Blonddude42 on Nov 28, 2017 at 9:28 PM, finished with 227 posts and 42 votes.
 
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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph I thought we had moved on!

Does the colored box at the top of the page mean nothing?

*takes moment to reread colored box*

Ah. Just the rape culture bit was forbidden. Drat.

[QUOTE="Pandemonious Ivy, post: 9705138, member: 3845"The situation that the MC is put in is a direct parallel to many a one that real life people experience daily. Ignoring that doesn't make it not exist, even in subtext. Therefore, even if the one who put her in this position is regretful, he still hasn't backed down or done anything overt to address this type of gross behavior. That the majority of voters are put off by people being bothered by this says something. And between us both, it's not saying anything good.

...The majority of the thread was put off? Last time I looked that wasn't the case. Give me a second to get a tally.[/QUOTE]

"By people being bothered by this" was the next part of that.
 

How frequently do we see media wherein a teenager agonizes over something small and dumb they did, but nobody else cares? How frequently does it happen in real life?

Social pressure can be exerted even without it being conscious.
The thing is, at some point the amount of social pressure being exerted is indistinguishable from background radiation. If some tiny iota of an action that nobody else cares about causes a teenager to mentally torture themselves, is the person who performed the action to blame for the torture? Should people be expected abstain from all actions that could theoretically cause a teenager to freak out over nothing when nobody actually cares or blames them for their response to the action?

Because let me tell you, that would leave us with a really freaking short list of actions that can be taken anywhere within line of sight of a teenager. If that's the required standard of due diligence for adolescent males... Well, a boy who followed such a rule would be so paralyzed around girls as to be socially dysfunctional in mixed company. Indeed, borderline catatonic in mixed company...

Now, there's something to be said about criticizing a work of literature (even one as loosely defined as a quest) when you and several others get a particular type of vibe from said work. Like, even if you don't intend for X to come across and even if you don't agree with X on principle, that doesn't mean that it isn't there for someone else. And if more than a couple of people see it, it's worth actually addressing and acknowledging. Otherwise it's a clear display of an author who isn't looking for ways to improve, not if they (let alone the toxic voterbase here) can't acknowledge that things can look completely different than you intended it.
The flip side is that there has to be a limit to the amount of criticism people will take; you can't reasonably ask someone to sit there and just take infinity criticism. Including criticisms they think are severely unfair and/or a distraction or disruption of shared space.

People have a right to say "okay, I think this criticism of me is unwarranted, and it's becoming disruptive of a shared activity, please stop." Otherwise criticism crosses the line into bullying, without even
 
[x]Yes
-[x]use Multiform. One says "ok you and me against the two of them. That way I can evaluate your crowd fighting and team fighting."
-[x]"I am likely going to be doing this with all the top picks might as well do you first."

Having that second sub vote vents any romantic pressure that may or may not exist.
 
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