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[ ] To Yuuri, on a private line: You're Sabrina Vee, from Mitakihara. You'd like to mediate peaceful discussion between herself and the Pleiades Saints.
-[ ] You have reasons to suspect that she stole an experimental prototype of yours, but don't want to jump to conclusions.
--[ ] If she was indeed involved, you'd like to negotiate, both to return the prototype and to hopefully resolve more long-term issues.

[ ] Simultaneously, to Hijiri, to occupy her attention and prevent coordination:
-[ ] You'd like some more detail then that. How did she even meet Yuuri? If she's "deranged", why trust her at all?
-[ ] Question the inconsistencies in her story, but in a non-accusatory tone.
 
Redshirt Army said:
To put my feelings on this as concisely as possible: There's no way in hell we should discuss our possibly having been created with a witch with Hijiri before we've done so with Mami and Sayaka.
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We don't need to discuss it in that detail - we don't need to mention the witch bit. We say that we woke up in an alley with no prior history or personal memories but a complete working knowledge of the magical girl system. And say that we believe we are, like her, created from a wish.
 
Mmm...

As sister of Isis and especially Osiris, Nephthys is a protective goddess who symbolizes the death experience, just as Isis represented the (re)birth experience.
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While Isis is not Niko's Witch's name, that doesn't matter here.

While I can't say what Firn was thinking, this bit of Nephthys informations... in wikipedia... does seem to fit Hijiri's situation:

You've got her, who in the process of losing her identity, seeing her family as strangers, feels like she vanishing, dying,
Nephthys... symbolizes the death experience
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Meanwhile, her 'sister' gets to be 'reborn', as in, she rejects her own life and tries to live vicariously through Hijiri.
Isis represented the (re)birth experience.
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So does Sayaka sending a clone out effectively lock her out of any other power use, in fear of losing the clone?

Also that is some crazy range those clones have.
 
Muramasa said:
So does Sayaka sending a clone out effectively lock her out of any other power use, in fear of losing the clone?

Also that is some crazy range those clones have.
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I think she can use more than a power at once, but even then, she still will have her concentration split between two different things.

We should probably bring that up. If she needs to fight for her life, she can't be trying to pay attention to school.

I would rather she called her parents once they wake up, and tells them she'll explain later.
 
Redshirt Army said:
To put my feelings on this as concisely as possible: There's no way in hell we should discuss our possibly having been created with a wish with Hijiri before we've done so with Mami and Sayaka.
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blast flame said:
We don't need to discuss it in that detail - we don't need to mention the witch bit. We say that we woke up in an alley with no prior history or personal memories but a complete working knowledge of the magical girl system. And say that we believe we are, like her, created from a wish.
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Sorry, initially answered thinking you meant to say "witch" instead of "wish". Well we've already discussed potentially not having a past history to discover with Mami (and she can make the tiny, tiny step from that to a wish) and it's a hell of a lot more relevant to Hijiri than it is to Sayaka.

Hijiri in PMKM has a track record of getting along better with artificial humans. We'd be fools not to take advantage of it. In an ideal world we'd have already informed Sayaka and talked about it more with Mami but we're here now so let's not use what we should have done in the past as an excuse not to do what we should do in the present.
 
blast flame said:
Hijiri in PMKM has a track record of getting along better with artificial humans.
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A whole track record of one, and it's less of getting along better and more of projecting her problems on them so much that she'll naturally like them better than regular people after she goes off the deep end. There's also the fact that the people she was comparing to Kazumi at the time were the Pleiades, which were pretty much a mixed bag of crazy and shadiness.
 
JarringToaster said:
A whole track record of one, and it's less of getting along better and more of projecting her problems on them so much that she'll naturally like them better than regular people after she goes off the deep end. There's also the fact that the people she was comparing to Kazumi at the time were the Pleiades, which were pretty much a mixed bag of crazy and shadiness.
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I'm not seeing reasons not to do it here. It's still worth a shot.
 
blast flame said:
I'm not seeing reasons not to do it here. It's still worth a shot.
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Because if we just say it here and now, it'll seem like Sabrina's just saying it as a way to keep her under control, which admittedly is the actual intention. There's also the fact that even if Sabrina states that she's artificial, there's no way she can actually prove it besides stating her circumstances. Even if she does believe Sabrina, there's the case of the circumstances of their creation being different. Sabrina was more or less made as a whole new person in order to do something great, while Kanna was created for the purpose of being an outright replacement for her original.
 
Firnagzen said:
Hijiri climbs up onto the back of the platform without prompting, leaning sullenly against the back wall with her arms folded
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Consistent with "trying to regain control" hypothesis. Connecting us to Yuuri early is more of the same, possibly also an attempt to throw us off by shoving us into a conversation we're not prepared for. If so, joke's on her, lol. Her reactions during the conversation are also promising - as long as something gives her a choice she's not going to blow up.
 
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Mmm...

Votecrafting.

Abuse multitasking is a must. Hijiri and Yuuri must not be allowed to coordinate.

Sayaka? I'd rather she called her parents and told them 'magic is real, yo'. We can offer help there.

Yuuri: Introduce ourselves cordially first, and make our case as the meguca with a meguca helping thing. Explain our perception of today's events; ask for hers; tell her Hijiri's, in that order I think. Then, reminding her we want to help everybody, ask for her cooperation?

Hijiri... We've said thanks for giving up the Memory Device. Confirm her suspicions that Yuuri might be deranged? We can finally take the time to talk about her actions today, I think; appeal to her rationality.

[ ] Abuse multitasking for conversational purposes.
-[ ] Try to keep Yuuri and Hijiri from coordinating stories.

[ ] Ask Sayaka if she's sure.
-[ ] Point out the danger of fighting for her life here while pretending everything's OK over there.
-[ ] She can call her parents and tell them she'll explain later. Or even tell them about magic. Mami or us can talk to them?

[ ] Yuuri (in private): Introduce yourself, explaining your mission to help all Magical Girls.
-[ ] Explain your perception of the past few hours' events.
-[ ] Ask for her version of events.
-[ ] Explain Hijiri's version of events.
-[ ] As she is a Magical Girl, she's amongst the people we Wished to help. Ask her to help you solve this peacefully.

[ ] Hijiri: We do believe Yuuri might be deranged.
-[ ] Show concern that Yuuri might have misled Hijiri.
-[ ] Talk about the night/morning's events, trying to find/make her think about the rationale behind her actions.
-[ ] Question her belief in whatever Yuuri's told her.
 
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Sayaka? I'd rather she called her parents and told them 'magic is real, yo'. We can offer help there.
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I do not agree with the magic reveal. Not in this way.
Sayaka is not going to be remotely ready to do this. Hell I don't think we're ready to do this. It's one thing for the Shizuki's to know. They aren't directly involved and it's not their daughter that's risking her life on a regular basis. That's something that's going to severely impact Sayaka's parents and there will be fall out. This isn't something that should be brought up casually. It's a serious issue, that needs to be talked about when we're not dealing with this conflict. Bringing it up now, will cause Sayaka stress and anxiety and will distract her badly.
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Muramasa said:
I do not agree with the magic reveal. Not in this way.
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Well, OK. How about her just telling her parents she'll explain later?

Splitting her concentration when going into battle...

Oh, and we probably should give the Sayaka a calm down hug. Or ask Mami to do it. Or ask Mirai to do it.

[Q] Have literally everyone hug Sayaka.
-[Q] Even Hijiri.
--[Q] Specially Hijiri.
---[Q] Have Sayaka copy Hijiri. ;)

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But seriously, Sayaka's panicking. We should take a few minutes to see if she's sure about sending that clone.

[ ] Ask Sayaka if she's sure.
-[ ] Point out the danger of fighting for her life here while pretending everything's OK over there.
-[ ] She can call her parents and tell them she'll explain later. She'll feel better after she talks with them. Mami or us can help?
-[Q] Oriko can talk to them. She's got experience with this.
-[ ] Help Sayaka calm down. "Mami, hug her."
 
I'm with Mura on this. Doing the magic reveal today would be a massive pain. If Sayaka was pushing for it herself then I might be inclined to try and make it work regardless, but if she's willing to let it lie then so am I.

Questioning her on this is only going to sap her conviction.
 
It's great to see that everybody seems to have calmed down for now. That we can talk directly to Anri is good as well.

I don't know about Sayaka splitting her attention, when we're hunting a dangerous magical girl. Could be bad, if she gets distracted at the wrong moment. I also have to agree with Redshirt and Muramasa that right now probably isn't a good time to explain magical girls to the Mikis, especially not over the phone.
veteranMortal said:
Yeah, but Sabrina will look for her? To give her a clear seed, at the very least.

We could make it an exchange! We turn up and take the clear seed she stole, and then give her a clear seed, because every magical girl needs a clear seed.
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Gnarker said:
Only if we can trust them not to abuse it. We cannot, here.
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Anri is one of the few magical girls that we definetely shouldn't give a clear seed. She's way too unhinged for that and wants to murder the Pleiades.
 
By the way, we need to get in touch with Nadia and by extension Homura and possibly Hitomi? As Nadia needs to know about the snag in our plans and who they're going to meet with instead?
 
Yes, yes, magic reveal aside, I feel Sayaka's looking for magic solutions in order to not confront her parents, but considering we might end up fighting, her plan is not... optimal.

She/we can make excuses. We can say we had personal problems, we called Sayaka at night, and she's with us right now. We don't have to explain about her missing school until way, way later, I think. (Call the school, too?).

I think Sayaka will feel better if she talks with her parents, tells them she'll explain things later, rather than using magic to pretend nothing happened.

She just needs support.
 
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The real question is how much attention maintaining the clone will actually take. Kazumi's power is clearly able to copy Sabrina's multitasking, so maybe we can just hand that to Sayaka to stop it from being an issue.

inb4 a chibi Sayaka sits around remotely piloting a full Sayaka clone in the distance.
 
Muramasa said:
By the way, we need to get in touch with Nadia and by extension Homura and possibly Hitomi? As Nadia needs to know about the snag in our plans and who they're going to meet with instead?
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Sabrina: Homura, your going to need to handle the arrivals - I trust you and remember when in doubt, do a hair flip.
Homura: I was going to ask Mami advice on tea making and cakes.
Mami: Eh??
Homura: Teach me well Sempai
Mami: heheheheeee
Homura: Is she alright?
Sabrina: I think.... I just don't think she ever expected you to say that.
 
Redshirt Army said:
The real question is how much attention maintaining the clone will actually take. Kazumi's power is clearly able to copy Sabrina's multitasking, so maybe we can just hand that to Sayaka to stop it from being an issue.

inb4 a chibi Sayaka sits around remotely piloting a full Sayaka clone in the distance.
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Sayaka's cloning from from Aki; while she had no trouble controlling a bunch of clones, Sayaka didn't seem to have the same set of instincts to go with the power.

If we want Sayaka to have a Multitasker Clone, we'd have to make a full clone for her to copy with Kazumi's power... but we don't know whether that close would be range limited, or not.

[ ] Ask Sayaka if she's sure. Wouldn't splitting her concentration be a problem?
-[ ] Offer to talk with her parents. We can say we called Sayaka to help us with a personal problem.
 
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