The Patricians become Officers that means at least 50 regular soldiers per 1 officer maybe 2-5 NCOs
The Patricians are the 'professional' soldiers; the professions that take an extremely long time to get good at. All of our Spiritbonded, Chariots, and War Catamarans will be operated by Patricians.
H-Dude's reforms are expanding this remit so that all military roles require so much training that only Patricians have the free time to devote to learning how to be a soldier.
That is a pretty good strawman, he did not say that either of them curtailed the power of the Patricians. He never even mentioned the Patricians. He was talking about the Yeomen
It's very much not. I responded explicitly to Umi's reasoning:
I do not see how the Marynyn or whatever reform actually, short- or mid-term disempowers the patricians. All it does is give them an independent source of martial power with which they can finally gain power over the yeomen and thus power over the land and thus power over the food with which they will chain their source of martial power.
The part I quoted is above. It's the first paragraph of the quote I took; the response I made was the one you then quoted that stated Patrician power wasn't mentioned. Umi explicitly stated that their reasoning was based on reducing the Patrician's power and how M-Guy's plan wouldn't reduce the Patrician's powers but, in fact, enhance them.
The rest of my statement was based on this:
"We need to reconcentrate the military power of the patrician class, and if all the best warrior sons are going to run off, I see no reason not to train our daughters! The demands of command are not so vigorous as those of the common footsoldier, and there are many an account-"
H-Dude's point is about how allowing women to take up roles in the army is merely an excuse in order to expand the Patrician's power. They don't want to have to depend on the yeoman at all, that's explicitly his goal. Training women is merely one of the required steps since the Patricians simply do not have enough sons to match the yeoman's current contribution to our military.
Thus, I reasoned, it seems extremely strange to suggest M-Guy's plan will empower the Patricians over the Yeoman when Y-Dude's plan explicitly is to claw military power back from the yeoman. Presumably so that they can then crush the deserting yeoman.
It is very much our fault when those are our people and thus our responsibility.
People will people and if we do no create infrastructure to enforce law and order it is very much our fault if they do not even get a slap on the wrist for breaking it.
Okay, and? We're going to have to fix our infrastructure, I'll give you that; if I had been in the quest earlier, I would've screamed myself horse over that. That still doesn't stop the fact that our yeoman are currently going off to murder other people. We're going to have to do something about that and that "something" is almost certainly going to curtail the privileges of the yeoman. It's exactly what we did to Txolla when they started expanding by military force; we turned them into a colony and took away their military privileges.
We have to do something about the yeoman. Arming the Urban Poor to use as our military, thus curtailing the privileges and power of the yeoman was called:
I honestly feel like being mad at the yeomen for this crisis is idiotic. We let our martial get too high. We let our cent stay too low. We never built roads. We never built temples in under-developed areas. Etc. Etc. Etc. If you want them to not cause trouble, do the things that will forestall trouble and unify our society.
Picking the option that will crush them beneath the feet of the poorly shod urban poor, armed with national-symbol iron, and fed with the fruit of the yeomen's own farms is, essentially, a reactionary, passive-aggressive response to them causing trouble.
A idiotic and reactionary, passive-aggressive behaviour. We have to curtail the yeoman's powers. If we don't the crisis continues. Look at the solutions: Military 0 eliminates the yeoman as a fighting force; Centralization Max strangles the yeoman's independence; Yeoman faction power = 0 is the ending of the yeoman as a political force. We have to take action against the yeoman to respond to the crisis.
Building up the Urban Poor as our army
is creating that infrastructure. That (or Y-Dude's plan) are how we derive military power from a class that is not our yeoman. I've just argued with Umi about his premise here:
I do not see how the Marynyn or whatever reform actually, short- or mid-term disempowers the patricians. All it does is give them an independent source of martial power with which they can finally gain power over the yeomen and thus power over the land and thus power over the food with which they will chain their source of martial power.
leading to an erogenous conclusion as suggested here:
"We need to reconcentrate the military power of the patrician class, and if all the best warrior sons are going to run off, I see no reason not to train our daughters! The demands of command are not so vigorous as those of the common footsoldier, and there are many an account-"
Complaining about our lack of (non-military) infrastructure is pointless; the barn doors are open and the horse is
long gone. Even having said that, our lack of infrastructure was going to cause problems
somewhere. It was only by fluke of overflowing Martial that we happened to trigger this particular crisis. I'm sure Academia Nut had multiple other options. The overflow of Martial was merely the flavour of how the crisis causes by lack of infrastructure played out.
