Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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I dunno if this has already been brought up (haven't read the thread since the update), but - it's possible she just thinks we're all chuunibyou, and is humoring us. It doesn't seem likely, but it's certainly something to consider.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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You kinda stepped in a can of worms there but, yeah, it's come up.
To the point we have some word of god about it.
OK, so, first of all, votes are open. Generally speaking, they open at 12:00 on UTC+0 after the update, whatever that is in your local time.
Second of all, yes, Hitommy1 knows about meguca.
Third of all, it is not a safe assumption that she experienced a loss.
1Also, yes, Hitommy™ is the official term.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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How long did we take before we said "meguca" out loud?
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
Considered. WOG confirmed she knows what she's talking about.
We argued for like 15 pages on this is why.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
Something that just occurred to me as I reread some of the story, and inspired from a Mizuki_Stone story back on SB...
But if Oriko gets her power back, what's stopping Sabrina from say, committing to being in a certain place at a certain time, infodumping everything she's found out over a week, and having Oriko precog that info dump?
Oriko has mentioned that she can infer stuff from people mentioning it in conversation. Well Sabrina is a nosy busy body who gets up in everyone's business. Oriko can just read off all of Sabrina's after action reports, as it were.
I mean in some ways that is ripping out a lot of mystery, but it seems like Oriko was already doing that while her powers were active.
It'd be an interesting, and honestly totally unfair, method of gathering information. "I wonder what would happen if Sabrina did this... *fast forward to after action report of doing that* Whelp, that answers that."
But if Oriko gets her power back, what's stopping Sabrina from say, committing to being in a certain place at a certain time, infodumping everything she's found out over a week, and having Oriko precog that info dump?
Oriko has mentioned that she can infer stuff from people mentioning it in conversation. Well Sabrina is a nosy busy body who gets up in everyone's business. Oriko can just read off all of Sabrina's after action reports, as it were.
I mean in some ways that is ripping out a lot of mystery, but it seems like Oriko was already doing that while her powers were active.
It'd be an interesting, and honestly totally unfair, method of gathering information. "I wonder what would happen if Sabrina did this... *fast forward to after action report of doing that* Whelp, that answers that."
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Perfectly reasonable concern
but there's a WOG confirming she is referring to meguca specifically.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
To make sure I understand this right, you're focusing specifically on the small-scale here, just looping in parents, no exposure of the Grand Plan? I think that this is actually kind of a too-much-but-not-enough option.
- If she knows that cleansing is a problem, we're not even going to get to the small-scale psych stuff; she's going to ask how we're staying alive, and psych is a footnote in an appendix of an errata compared to the fallout of our infinite cleansing.
- If she doesn't know that cleansing is a problem, I don't know what she would think is a problem given that she knows about magical girls at all. In which case I think that she's going to be wondering why our first priority is building lines of defense to ward off PTSD in our teammates.
If we hit the wrong expectation we will run into significant confusion that will make it nearly impossible for us to clarify misunderstandings effectively. We would have to go all the way back to the beginning and give our entire speech about how being a magical girl isn't like you see on TV and everyone is starving to death and fighting over scraps, except now we're talking to a mother that started out terrified and confused. Terrified and confused is unpredictable and bad. I'm sure that we could iron it out eventually, it's just the kind of radical fuckup that'd take three updates to patch up and that we'd keep having trouble with for years OOC.To be honest, as long as we're not... Sabrina levels of blunt (), it doesn't change that we want her to know a lot of things, so we should still talk about all those things, and clarify and explain if she doesn't understand.
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Do we really want to confess our crimes to their victim?!? We haven't even met the mysterious Hitodaddy, because of undefined "business". Max suspicious, we gotta check for tattoos and missing pinkies.
Can't have her worrying about competition, or she might try to expand her territory with this new market.
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Literally this. This exact line would easily cover the "asking clarification" issue while addressing the other concern. Why'd this joke line get passed over?
She started looking at our hands, the moment we started holding hands again with Mami. And Sayaka follows Hitomi around like a puppy lately (starting fairly soon after she left the hospital, right? Also not sure if she visited her there) due to gratitude and whatnot.
So very much this. A negative reaction lasting more than minutes doesn't seem likely, but if she did react badly theres no reason to involve her beyond the usual for 'parents of the uninvoled'. We haven't yet needed to clue her in to get help, and we can always keep looking in a crazy place like Mitakihara. Or maybe make a business proposal to the Nakano corp who's clearly also in the real estate market here.
Please Gooods let Firn actually do this. i would looove if they would just to short circuit the argument. But until they do its an argument worth having.
Thats a great way for optimizing players to act, and admittedly Sabrina is closer to one than most characters due to hivemind and metaknowledge. But even she doesn't normally seem to run on "rules of plot" , so I feel reacting to the situation at hand without trying to analyze the narrative as a source of evidence is perfectly reasonable?
For a series entirely about middle schoolers, and with us attempting to play as one, I find it fascinating and disturbing how many here seem to be of the stance "Children have literally zero rights. Their opinions don't matter, their feelings don't matter, we don't even need to bother letting them know or involving them before we inject our KnowingBetter into their lives. Its literally not a consideration."
Seriosuly this. Its not even a matter of waiting until later today or another later time after we've talked to Hitomi, we don't ever need to explain to Hitomom "Sorry for hiding this when we last talked", if we are going to blab everything anyway there is literally ZERO reason I can see not to immedtiately telepathy Hitomi to let her know AND come join in on the conversation. It acknowledges that she actually matters to this issue, despite being "a mere child" , and gets her expert help in having the best conversation we can with Hitomom on the general topic and recruiting her wider help with refugucas.
Again, children have no rights whatsoever, AND they are so utterly powerless than an adult asking something of them is functionally equal to someone having a gun at their head. They are utterly powerless to resist the might of adult authority. "Oh we are asked by an adult, welp game over give up everyone sorry Hitomi but an adult asked."
Begging the question.
THANK THE HOLY MADOKAMI ABOVE.
A Word-of-God is exactly what the thread needed at this point -_- . It could've been worthwhile to take ten seconds to clarify, its still mostly reasonable for Sabrina-the-Character to do so anyways (hivemind knowledge or no), but at least we can move on from this dumpster fire of a debate.
And yay! This other bit of weirdness gets short circuited too. Mighty Holmesian Hivemind aside, high death rate of one of the leading theories (her knowing a Meguca close and personal) aside, just dropping this at the start with the assumption that the logic chain is so obvious as to not bear mention is just a strange manner of conversation. We can ask her how she knew, her answer would ALMOST CERTAINLY clarify whether there is anything to console about, and we can inject a conditional comforting without even so much as the loaded implication of asking directly "did a friend have a tragic fate?" .
Now lets move on as I catch up on the last two or so pages ^_^ Can I just resubmit :
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] Oh, you just want to talk about that. For a tense minute I thought you hated lesbians. Wait, 'magical girls' isn't a euphemism is it?as our opening line? With the combination of the two WoGs, I don't feel its too irreverant and it fits Sabrina's eccentricities, while giving a moments notice (and potential lead-in) to any potential problem here that she might have with us our others. And its honestly just funny, which I think we can now afford.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
If I have sufficiently strong proof that one of my friends or relatives is in mortal danger, I no longer care about their privacy except insofar as violating it may compromise my position diplomacy becomes a factor. I would do that for my parents, I would do it for my friends, I would do it for random people on the internet, I would hope someone does it for me, I would damn well do it for my kids.
If you noticed your daughter coming home with needle marks in your arm and pupils that are definitely not the right size, can you seriously tell me that you'd "respect her privacy"? And yes, I posit that this is a sufficiently accurate comparison to Hitommy's situation that we can use it as an intuitive approximation.
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Torgamous
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As someone who wanted to move past this dumpster fire of a debate, you probably should've removed your responses from your draft when you saw they were three hours late.
Oh, certainly, but they won't always be and I would be surprised if it didn't in the future.
Yesssssssssss... It's kind of cheating, but we should make sure Mami receives a soul-hug-actual-hug now and then. A hug beyond hugs.
[] Later, ask Mami to for a ribbon to keep. Maybe as a bow, if it would look good on you? A bracelet, a collar?
With the express purpose of sending Mami Soul Hugs.
We should see if we can make something semi-permanent for Mami to hold on to.
It shouldn't just be Mami that gets soul cuddles.
I deleted my whole draft. The only thing I have left to say is...
...that I am absolutely not going to call her anything but Haruka in any discussion. I'm almost certainly closer to her age than Hitomi's.
(Japanese culture makes it questionable to do so in character, but Sabrina's just a weird foreigner anyway)
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
So... I still believe Hitomi should be the first priority to hit right now.
[] Sober up. This is serious, yet good.
-[] Confirm her suspicions; offer to explain as best as you can.
[] Talk about Hitomi's situation, her not being a Potential, and how she took the magic reveal.
[] Before explaining, thank her for talking with you, and ask to know what she knows.
-[] Reassure her as much as you can.
-[] Tell her you were planning to talk your friends into telling the adults about this.
--[] Reasons: It would be much healthier for the Magical Girls, and bluntly, you need help.
[] Explain the Magical Girl situation, filling in the gaps of Mrs. Shizuki's knowledge.
-[] Explain your unique Wish and your mission, and how you need adult help.
-[] Make sure to stay away from the Witchbomb.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I agree, I'm just not sure how to address it without more information. We can infer some level of worry but I'm not sure we can calibrate without voting on at least a tiny bit more information. Like I said, I'd expect my vote to give us maybe two or three paragraphs of actionable information and that that's enough to move on to talking about Hitomi.
I'll also note that, even without having suffered a loss, Haruka can still understand how dangerous it is to be meguca and be worrying about her daughter losing all of her friends over the next few months. One of our primary goals for this conversation will be assuring her that our life expectancy isn't measured in weeks or months.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
My major problem with that, Onmur, is that we don't warn Hitomi. I still feel like she should be told as soon as possible that her mother is being read in on the whole magical girl affair - and, most likely, Hitomi will advise us that she was the one who spoke to her about it in the first place, which means that Haruka should have a reasonable if second hand idea of what meguca are and do.
Remember, Hitomi's been lichbombed as well as shown the power levels meguca work at. I'm also pretty sure that she's been present for some of our talks about how dangerous being a magical girl is - and most likely, she's tried to contact Kyuubey to get more information.
Actually, that's the next twist: Hitomi witch-bombed her mom and now Goodmommy wants to witchbomb us.
Remember, Hitomi's been lichbombed as well as shown the power levels meguca work at. I'm also pretty sure that she's been present for some of our talks about how dangerous being a magical girl is - and most likely, she's tried to contact Kyuubey to get more information.
Actually, that's the next twist: Hitomi witch-bombed her mom and now Goodmommy wants to witchbomb us.
"We Don't Go To Asunaro..." pt. 17.5
What.
What.
Error 404, cannot brain this turn of events. Your face is probably doing something extremely complicated and definitionally non-Euclidean right now.
Your mind is afire trying to process this and you're pretty sure your jaw hit the floor somewhere. Mami's just as surprised as you are, her hand tightening convulsively. Her hand, with her Soul Gem ring. That's probably why she was looking - how she knew.
On the one hand it's convenient if she knows. Fantastic, even, it makes life so much easier for you, but what if she didn't? What if she's using it as a euphemism somehow? It wouldn't be entirely out of the question for it to be slang of some kind, you suppose. Especially given how often you've considered the correlation between gayness and magical girl-ness. Jokingly, but still.
That doesn't make sense. She knows, she has to know. You should- you should express your condolences. She... she knew a magical girl when she was a teenager? And that magical girl is probably dead by now, considering the mortality rate. Is she going to warn you off talking to Hitomi?
She's worried enough to pull you aside. It's a valid concern. She isn't angry, she doesn't look angry in that righteous, fiercely protective way you might expect of a parent. She just looks like... probably exactly what she is, a slightly tired, business-like parent asking after her daughter's friends.
Should you offer condolences? If she knew a magical girl, with the past tense and all it implies, then it might be good. But what if she doesn't?
You could... you could hedge your bets, try and offer something non-committal, but you might annoy her with your playing dumb. She knows.
She knows. How does she know?
Mami gathers herself to speak, straightening beside you and closing her mouth with a click - but before she does, Mrs Shizuki laughs.
"Oh, the looks on your faces," she says, shaking her head with a smile. "I suppose I should explain."
"T-that-" you start, and cough, clearing your throat. "That would be appreciated, Mrs Shizuki."
"I knew a magical girl when I was a teenager, as you might guess," Mrs Shizuki says. "We were classmates in middle school, and we met when... Well, really, I stumbled over her when she was sneaking away to fight a... Witch, I think they were called? It's been a long time. Tsuchiya Ritsuko was her name - she could conjure water."
She shrugs daintily. "I followed her, naturally - I didn't know what I was in for at the time. I received an enormous scolding from her when she spotted me, but she let me follow her on the hunt. We became friends from that point on," Mrs Shizuki continues. "Sadly, I had to move a year later, at the end of middle school, and we lost contact. And her... Kyuubey, I believe his name was, never deigned to reveal himself to me."
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What.
Error 404, cannot brain this turn of events. Your face is probably doing something extremely complicated and definitionally non-Euclidean right now.
Your mind is afire trying to process this and you're pretty sure your jaw hit the floor somewhere. Mami's just as surprised as you are, her hand tightening convulsively. Her hand, with her Soul Gem ring. That's probably why she was looking - how she knew.
On the one hand it's convenient if she knows. Fantastic, even, it makes life so much easier for you, but what if she didn't? What if she's using it as a euphemism somehow? It wouldn't be entirely out of the question for it to be slang of some kind, you suppose. Especially given how often you've considered the correlation between gayness and magical girl-ness. Jokingly, but still.
That doesn't make sense. She knows, she has to know. You should- you should express your condolences. She... she knew a magical girl when she was a teenager? And that magical girl is probably dead by now, considering the mortality rate. Is she going to warn you off talking to Hitomi?
She's worried enough to pull you aside. It's a valid concern. She isn't angry, she doesn't look angry in that righteous, fiercely protective way you might expect of a parent. She just looks like... probably exactly what she is, a slightly tired, business-like parent asking after her daughter's friends.
Should you offer condolences? If she knew a magical girl, with the past tense and all it implies, then it might be good. But what if she doesn't?
You could... you could hedge your bets, try and offer something non-committal, but you might annoy her with your playing dumb. She knows.
She knows. How does she know?
Mami gathers herself to speak, straightening beside you and closing her mouth with a click - but before she does, Mrs Shizuki laughs.
"Oh, the looks on your faces," she says, shaking her head with a smile. "I suppose I should explain."
"T-that-" you start, and cough, clearing your throat. "That would be appreciated, Mrs Shizuki."
"I knew a magical girl when I was a teenager, as you might guess," Mrs Shizuki says. "We were classmates in middle school, and we met when... Well, really, I stumbled over her when she was sneaking away to fight a... Witch, I think they were called? It's been a long time. Tsuchiya Ritsuko was her name - she could conjure water."
She shrugs daintily. "I followed her, naturally - I didn't know what I was in for at the time. I received an enormous scolding from her when she spotted me, but she let me follow her on the hunt. We became friends from that point on," Mrs Shizuki continues. "Sadly, I had to move a year later, at the end of middle school, and we lost contact. And her... Kyuubey, I believe his name was, never deigned to reveal himself to me."
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-[X] Ask Homura to pull you, Mami, and Madoka into a private conversation as soon as it's convenient.
-[X] Whenever she does, bring up metabombing Sayaka and Hitomi. You'd rather not keep hiding things for long...
[X] Homework session.
-[X] Help Mami with her homework.
-[X] Get Homura to help the others.
-[X] Ask Umika about her writing.
-[x] If Hitomi's parents aren't around, talk to Kazumi and suggest idea's about her 'grief' manipulation. (To be done out doors obviously)
-[X] Whenever she does, bring up metabombing Sayaka and Hitomi. You'd rather not keep hiding things for long...
[X] Homework session.
-[X] Help Mami with her homework.
-[X] Get Homura to help the others.
-[X] Ask Umika about her writing.
-[x] If Hitomi's parents aren't around, talk to Kazumi and suggest idea's about her 'grief' manipulation. (To be done out doors obviously)
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...Yeah, Tsuchiya Ritsuko is likely dead or a witch by now, or, you know, maybe she's survived this long, and is a hardened, cynical person, or, emotionally and mentally disturbed, or, just fine with some minor personality quirks.
I'm guessing dead or witch personally.
I'm guessing dead or witch personally.