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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.

Lailoken said:
If the plan is to continue the conspiracy, any sort of confrontation is counterproductive. Kakara having access to Jaron is a critical part of it, so anything which might cause Dandeer to raise her guard or start forbidding contact must be avoided unless there is a really, really good reason for it.
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She'll be irritated, but for exactly that reason I think we're only going to train Jaron if we can get her to agree? It's more likely than not that she'll refuse, but this way Jaron knows we did try and go to bat for him.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.


She'll be irritated, but for exactly that reason I think we're only going to train Jaron if we can get her to agree? It's more likely than not that she'll refuse, but this way Jaron knows we did try and go to bat for him.
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It raises the issue in her mind, again. Worse, the write-in tells her that he's already getting training in ki from Kakara, which she may not know. She does not want Jaron getting stronger because she is afraid of him. If she's emotional about the subject the last thing to do is to keep inflaming those emotions. There are a lot of ways a meeting with her could make her more alert and restrictive, and not very many which would make her less. Training Jaron for front-line combat just isn't that important right now.
 
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Personally, I really want Kakara to, in character, look at things from Dandeer's side. Maybe even try to tone back on the abject hatred, but I'm not holding out for that one :p

EIther way, it would help her come to grips with what Dandeer might do, and if she can bring Dandeer around to respect her a little more, she might even be able to come to equitable solution for the conspiracy.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
For a moment you feel the full weight of the young presence. It scrutinizes you, strangely distant. Unlike the monoliths that the other two were, this presence is fragmented. There is a core of warmth there, but so distant you can hardly feel it, and succumbing to a wave of fragmented grief and pain. It is something Already at the limit after one punch? beyond description, and yet demanding it. You are laid bare I think we will accomplish great things in our reigns, Scion. before it, and it finds you worthy But please, catch up soon. of its approval.

I have been alone too long.
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Poor Jaffur.:(
 
Deathbybunnies said:
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
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God no. We did nothing wrong. Jaron did nothing wrong. We have nothing to apologise for. Dandeer is not someone whose permission we need to have moral justification to do anything. We are literally plotting against her.

Deathbybunnies said:
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.
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Come on, seriously? It's already been well established that Kakara isn't someone Dandeer in any way respects as something approaching an equal. Her approach to Kakara is literally "I am right because I am older. Your opinions are irrelevant so shut up and listen to me." The talk about Jaron's wish to fight should be handled by Dad if anyone. Talking to her about a long term plan is downright delusional.
 
We might be better off asking Dad. In the end just about all of Dandeer's athority comes from him and he seems to be more sane.
 
[X] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.

No talking to Dandeer. If she says no, Jaron will listen to her because he wants to be a good son but he will fight anyways, without training, because that is what he was taught a good person does. Since we train him in the desert, we should be able to sense observers for our training. Plus, if it looks like we are prepping Jaron for Scion duty, wouldn't that mean we gave up on freeing Jaffur?

By the way, was the punching the ground bit a Dr. Slump reference? The two traditional feats of strenght of Arale are splitting the earth in two by punching it and destroying the moon by throwing a rock at it (I think they happen three or four times each in the manga).

Edit: Also, it makes sense Kakara didn't ask her personally. She had to explain ki to the parents of the misfits but Dandeer knows what it is already. Presumably, the misfits asked their parents first and Karen went to them when they wanted details and reassurances. That Dandeer didn't want to speak to her made sense to Kakara.
 
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[X] Lailoken

I'm not going to be able to follow things close enough to vote properly this time. If things get bad enough that we have Lailoken voting then my vote should be with him. Don't feel any responsibility to vote just because I proxy voted you though.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Finally, Dad tires of your efforts and phases away. It wasn't even Instant Transmission, it was just so fast as to make no functional difference at all.

You and Jaffur freeze mid-attack, help in an iron grip of ki.
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Very interesting use of IT. He basically pulled a Tobi.

Also @PoptartProdigy Typo. Should be held.:p

By the way, what does something being wasteful of ki actually mean? I saw this opinion from Berra several times and you mentioned that's why Kakara doesn't use TK to make her life easier. What does that stuff actually take affect especially as we don't actually see that effect OOC.
 
I was going over some of the early chapters, and look what I found in the first instalment of Saiyan Radio:
PoptartProdigy said:
And speaking of Clan Goku, Lord Berra remains stubborn in his refusal to comment on the Sealing or allow his daughter to speak to us. What happened that day and why he chose to step into Vegetan affairs remains a mystery, and it seems we'll have to wait for young Kakara to grow up a bit before we learn any details.
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Whilst the reveal of ki is likely to dominate, we're almost certainly going to be asked what exactly happened that day. How do we want to answer?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I was going over some of the early chapters, and look what I found in the first instalment of Saiyan Radio:

Whilst the reveal of ki is likely to dominate, we're almost certainly going to be asked what exactly happened that day. How do we want to answer?
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Well if we tell the truth about what happened then it will not tell Dad or Dandeer anything new. The main reason we didn't before was that it didn't seem worth an action.

A big part of the reason I want to ask Dandeer is to give her a chance to explain herself before the interview.
 
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fictionfan said:
Well if we tell the truth about what happened then it will not tell Dad or Dandeer anything new. The main reason we didn't before was that it didn't seem worth an action.
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On the other hand, undermining Dad right before we likely have to fight a war isn't something we should do lightly either, which is the reason that we were originally going to wait to steal Jaron until afterwards anyway.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
On the other hand, undermining Dad right before we likely have to fight a war isn't something we should do lightly either, which is the reason that we were originally going to wait to steal Jaron until afterwards anyway.
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This seal business is already undermining him. And honestly he won that day and we obviously haven't been able to do anything about it.
 
@PoptartProdigy : Would it be possible for us to switch out an action? It is becoming clear that this seal business might come to a head this year. We might want to spend an action to break it as soon as Jaffur gets a handle on magic.
 
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fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : Would it be possible for us to switch out an action? It is becoming clear that this seal business might come to a head this year. We might want to spend an action to break it as soon as Jaffur gets a handle on magic.
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Absolutely not, things aren't "coming to a head" we're facing a few awkward questions. We aren't throwing our whole plan away and kick-starting a potential civil war before an external threat arrives with no preparation just because you're getting nervous. We haven't even connected Jaffur to Dandelor yet!
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Absolutely not, things aren't "coming to a head" we're facing a few awkward questions. We aren't throwing our whole plan away and kick-starting a potential civil war before an external threat arrives with no preparation just because you're getting nervous. We haven't even connected Jaffur to Dandelor yet!
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Honestly the war is why we might want Jaffur's help. Given the rate that outside disasters are coming I am starting to think we will never actually have a quiet time.

Jaffur is going to have alot of catching up to do.
 
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fictionfan said:
Honestly the war is way we might want Jaffur's help. Given the rate that outside disasters are coming I am starting to think we will need actually have a quiet time.

Jaffur is going to have alot of catching up to do.
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I agree that the crises are piling up faster than we can handle them (are we ever going to be able to pick spending time with our friends without feeling guilty for not spending those actions dealing with other problems or letting our training fall through?) But it's still not worth throwing the plan we agreed on with our fellow conspirators away over.

On the other hand, if the "dragon" doesn't show up for half a decade and nothing else urgent shows up, we might be able to clear out our backlog!
 
Lier lier pants on fire. The Seers have been a group of many shared secrets long before this sealing stuff.
 
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fictionfan said:
Well if we tell the truth about what happened then it will not tell Dad or Dandeer anything new. The main reason we didn't before was that it didn't seem worth an action.

A big part of the reason I want to ask Dandeer is to give her a chance to explain herself before the interview.
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No, the main reason we didn't say the truth is because we were on the brink of an upraising and we had to present an united front to avoid open warfare between saiyans.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
You turn, as usual quickly enough that you seem to flicker in their gazes, and look at Fennella. You stare at her with just as much focus as you did Dillon. She blinks. "What?"

You frown. "...I mean, I guess you don't have pigtails for him to pull."

She turns red.

You turn back to Dillon. "Is this something most saiyan boys do with girls they like?" you ask, completely serious now. "'Cause if so, I need to talk to one of them. Once I get the chance to again, anyway."
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Kakara and Jaffur sitting on a tree. S-P-A-R-R-I-N-G

:lol:rofl::lol
 
It would be cool to show Jaron what we have learned so far about Jaffur style and ask him if he has any ideas.
 
fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : Would it be possible for us to switch out an action? It is becoming clear that this seal business might come to a head this year. We might want to spend an action to break it as soon as Jaffur gets a handle on magic.
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Damn!

Now if only there had been someone who had previously argued that we should leave a blank 'buffer' action so we can avoid these types of situations in the future.

Would have had to be a devilishly handsome individual with a big ass clock and an excellent choice in Whiskey!
 
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