Hmm. Yenma's issue is probably due to using ALL HER MIGHT to try to kill the Khemetri prince.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she got severe arthritis by going full berserk on fools for a good few years, and likely not keeping up with too strenuous exercise in the years of her retirement and child raising.

I don't think we have a full concept of constant fitness being required for good health yet, so that may also be a problem
 
[x] [Conq] Push to the East (Gain all previously listed territories, forces actively fight with surviving Mountain Horse cities, -8 Econ and 8 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassals and distant war missions)
[x] [Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[x] [PttS] Black Mirror
[x] [PttS] 0 Stability
[x] [Diplo] Victory lap (Main Salt Gift)
[x] [PSN] Keep it under control (Do not activate this turn)
 
So apparently we have palanquins I wonder how ours look.
Adhoc vote count started by Reader of all on Aug 6, 2017 at 2:48 AM, finished with 96876 posts and 86 votes.
 
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[X] [PttS] Black Mirror
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Let's maybe spread out in case the gods throw another bolt (Found Far Northern Trade Post)
[X] [PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)

I have no words except WHAT THE FUCK?! :o

I would love to really, really read a Negaverse Omake of the Thunder Horse....
 
Future thoughts. Should probably keep that to myself until we see the next turn

EDIT - Essentially I was speaking more of the centralization restoring next turn than the action itself
@Thomasfoolery To explain completely what I mean, I was contemplating the future and considering that we would need to raise centralization up again. After this turn, I still want to do more trade missions and there are fewer actions to spend if we have to use trails to raise our cent. again. As I said though, I should probably leave those thoughts to myself until I actually see what the next turn is like.
 
Fulfills the yeoman request an thus gives +1 stab which means that we can kick the temple.
That already got fulfilled with the province actions(If that sec trails went into the place that would spawn a province), and what they want is a province and not a subordinate.

Also we don't really know what she, our Mystic Genius Tur was predicting. However, the Return of the Comet in some form is a good possibility.
*shrug* she may have predicted it specifically but it does not seem she knew where it was coming down. That seems well within reason too me.
 
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Actually, hell, I'm just going away till next threadmark. Y'all are just going to vote for the veekiewagon. Have fun w/ your lake.
 
@Thomasfoolery To explain completely what I mean, I was contemplating the future and considering that we would need to raise centralization up again. After this turn, I still want to do more trade missions and there are fewer actions to spend if we have to use trails to raise our cent. again. As I said though, I should probably leave those thoughts to myself until I actually see what the next turn is like.
We can't know for sure, but I'm hoping that our Balanced Provinces take some road-building actions.
 
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)
[X] [PttS] Black Mirror
[x] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Let's maybe spread out in case the gods throw another bolt (Found Far Northern Trade Post)
[X] [PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)
 
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...You know, I sympathize with the desire for a rational explanation, but something is up with Geniuses. Keep in mind, Yenyna hasn't just had her creepy crow-visions, she hasn't just got some sort of absurd natural talent for strategy, she also somehow went from complete civilian to taking on the frigging Prince of Egypt who had trained since he could walk and probably had half again her upper body strength in hand-to-hand combat. That's not in the normal range of 'savant'.

Then we have a lady who takes half-assed observations of comets and such from our half-assed star charts given we don't actually know astronomy, combined with historical accounts, and somehow predicts a meteor impact. Complete with a political strategy to take advantage of that. I think the notion that this woman somehow accomplished what modern nations had trouble with twenty years ago and came up with it just in time to warn us and a coherent strategy was established to take advantage of this? That really, really, really stretches the bounds of pure serendipity or 'savant' again.

There's a big difference between 'peak human' as described in comic books and 'peak human' in reality. Trying to neatly file this sort of stuff under 'peak human' is starting to look as silly as Captain America's 'peak human'. Again, I sympathize with the urge to do that lest we go astray, but at this point we really should be looking at Geniuses closely. Something's up.
 
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@Thomasfoolery To explain completely what I mean, I was contemplating the future and considering that we would need to raise centralization up again. After this turn, I still want to do more trade missions and there are fewer actions to spend if we have to use trails to raise our cent. again. As I said though, I should probably leave those thoughts to myself until I actually see what the next turn is like.

Gotcha, no harm done.

*shrug* she may have predicted it specifically but it does not seem she knew where it was coming down. That seems well within reason too me.

She had a good idea it would hit the TH though, the whole deployment she suggested was based on that. That's what I find unbelievable enough to become ambivalent about magic when before I was an unbeliever.

Predicting a comet might come, that alone I could have accepted easily enough, this was a step beyond.
 
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Why though?

Do you have a reason for picking Black Mirror over Horse Valley?
Do you have a reason for picking Northern Trade Post over Trade Missions?

Or are you just voting for whatever veekie votes for and don't really care?

I mean, if the latter is the case, at least say so so that I don't try and convince you or ask why you vote for things.

Edit: Just as a precaution, this isn't aimed specifically at you, but at anyone who just votes for veekie and leaves without looking at any arguments or thinking about what they personally want.
 
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...You know, I sympathize with the desire for a rational explanation, but something is up with Geniuses. Keep in mind, Yenyna hasn't just had her creepy crow-visions, she hasn't just got some sort of absurd natural talent for strategy, she also somehow went from complete civilian to taking on the frigging Prince of Egypt who had trained since he could walk and probably had half again her upper body strength in hand-to-hand combat. That's not in the normal range of 'isavant'.

Then we have a lady who takes half-assed observations of comets and such from our half-assed star charts given we don't actually know astronomy, combined with historical accounts, and somehow predicts a meteor impact. Complete with a political strategy to take advantage of that. I think the notion that this woman somehow accomplished what modern nations had trouble with twenty years ago and came up with it just in time to warn us and a coherent strategy was established to take advantage of this? That really, really, really stretches the bounds of pure serendipity or 'savant' again.

There's a big difference between 'peak human' as described in comic books and 'peak human' in reality. Trying to neatly file this sort of stuff under 'peak human' is starting to look as silly as Captain America's 'peak human'. Again, I sympathize with the urge to do that lest we go astray, but at this point we really should be looking at Geniuses closely. Something's up.

She's also paying the price for that.

She's arthritic and barely ambulatory by the age of something like 40 or so. I was right in that she basically overclocked her body so hard to keep up that she was doing serious long-term damage to herself.

Honestly, one of the things I like about this is that it's legitimately unclear if Magic is a thing or if it's just outlier stuff showing up over a long course of history. There's always a reasonable explanation for this shit, but sometimes you just want to play pretend :D
 
...You know, I sympathize with the desire for a rational explanation, but something is up with Geniuses. Keep in mind, Yenyna hasn't just had her creepy crow-visions, she hasn't just got some sort of absurd natural talent for strategy, she also somehow went from complete civilian to taking on the frigging Prince of Egypt who had trained since he could walk and probably had half again her upper body strength in hand-to-hand combat. That's not in the normal range of 'isavant'.

Then we have a lady who takes half-assed observations of comets and such from our half-assed star charts given we don't actually know astronomy, combined with historical accounts, and somehow predicts a meteor impact. Complete with a political strategy to take advantage of that. I think the notion that this woman somehow accomplished what modern nations had trouble with twenty years ago and came up with it just in time to warn us and a coherent strategy was established to take advantage of this? That really, really, really stretches the bounds of pure serendipity or 'savant' again.

There's a big difference between 'peak human' as described in comic books and 'peak human' in reality. Trying to neatly file this sort of stuff under 'peak human' is starting to look as silly as Captain America's 'peak human'. Again, I sympathize with the urge to do that lest we go astray, but at this point we really should be looking at Geniuses closely. Something's up.

I'm gonna have to believe that magic exists, atleast in the form of rolls here. There is absolutely no fucking way our military genius would know ahead of everyone else in the camp that something is gonna come from the sky and kill a shit ton of people...there's just no sign that she could've picked up on.
 
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)
[X] [PttS] Horse Valley
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[x] [Diplo] Victory lap (Main Salt Gift)
[X] [PSN] Lots more black soil (Main Black Soil, -2 Centralization)
 
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I was referring to the far northern trade post I voted for, not the TH land grab.

Must have missed the settlement building in the previous update.
Yeah I think it was in <Decision point>.

And the North Trade Post does not fulfill the Yeomen request either, because it is a subordinate and not a province. If I understand how the quest system works right now they are already set to pay out their stability next main turn regardless of if we take the North TP or not, unless that settlement went somewhere else than the almost province we have.

(Unless I am completely misunderstanding what you are talking about. Which is possible.)
 
It's stretching my suspension of disbelief quite a bit that they managed to predict this with such precision when we today still mess up very often when we try to let something go down in a controlled fashion that we shot up ourselves.
It is magic. Academia Nut does not have to explain anything
She's arthritic and barely ambulatory by the age of something like 40 or so.
Later 40s. That is a bit more reasonable.
 
Also we don't really know what she, our Mystic Genius Tur was predicting. However, the Return of the Comet in some form is a good possibility.
*shrug* she may have predicted it specifically but it does not seem she knew where it was coming down. That seems well within reason too me.

I think it was actually a fair bit more than this. She accurately predicted the landing point and insisted that the Dragon and the Dragon Egg be there.

For the Dragon, the effect is obvious. We know from this section that bringing the Dragon to bear forced a reaction from TH:
Of course, the rumour of the Dragon General and her son being brought forward to lead the armies had run ahead of their movements, and the Thunder Horse had enough warning to begin redeploying to counter the movements they expected.
This put the TH forces in a position for them to be obliterated.

As for the Egg, I believe that has to do with the lasting peace promised:
Her son, Eckhyrt, had been born unusually late in her life, and was thus only about ten when the king swept into the quiet life he and his family had been living, insisting that not only must his mother leave her quiet retirement, but that he had to accompany them far from home as well. Of course, given how well his mother was treated by the warriors, it was not like the boy was in a bad place.
It's a long shot, but I suspect that this event is going to leave an impression on the boy. He was treated well and saw the the respect that was given to his mother. I think we're going to have a proper successor to the Dragon.

I'll admit the second is a long shot, but the first is quite plausible for our Genius Mystic to plan around, as countering our Genius Martial just makes sense for the TH. Makes her even scarier.
 
And the North Trade Post does not fulfill the Yeomen request either, because it is a subordinate and not a province. If I understand how the quest system works right now they are already set to pay out their stability next main turn regardless of if we take the North TP or not, unless that settlement went somewhere else than the almost province we have.

All the quests we've completed have already payed out I believe.
 
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)

[X] [PttS] Horse Valley
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability

[X] [Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
[x] [Diplo] Victory lap (Main Salt Gift)

[X] [PSN] Lots more black soil (Main Black Soil, -2 Centralization)


But, but, actual effectiveness! We need to be able to actually see things, and AN confirmed the Spirit Cheif thought the better place for that would be Horse Valley.
 
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