- Location
- United States
agreed. so lets try to not risk their lives at all. lets negotiate with the scouts.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Since we're radioing in the prisoner, we'll probably reveal that they are surrounded.
Also we should consider what this vote means in the long run. It's the first proper negotiation with an alien in centuries. How this goes won't just affect this encounter, but Kakara's reflections and a lot of what we want to do with saiyin-kind in the future.
At the very least there will be consequences for the conspiracy, the Masquerade and our own reputation, both good and bad.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Point of order: the safe option here is to call the ambush and take them all down before they can react. You have them dead to rights. Talking more hands them the tactical initiative.
- Location
- Yes.
We should have a psychotic break and elect to kill them.
Nobody kills my team. Not even stinkin' alien stinkers! Blow 'em up, boom SPLAT.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Clearly, you are the hero this thread deserves. :lol
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Yep. That's why I support going all-in on negotiation. On top of providing us immense superiority against the alien invasion proper -- we likely have most, if not all of their scout group, taken out by the words of one young girl -- it's important for Kakara's reflections.
We can do this without killing, and we need to prove to Kakara that she can.
- Location
- Yes.
Fuck that shit man let's go all Frieza up their asses.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Actually in DBZ very few fights result in death or injury. Most people seem to run out of ki before they get hurt. We should have no trouble taking them alive.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
That sounds like a recipe for a bad time.
Fighting, then. Kakara dislikes fighting just as well (though not as much) as killing from my recollection.
- Location
- United States
fair. negotiate is still the second-least-likely to lead to damage and the only one likely to help us with reflective though.
are you resolved to ignore the effects of this choice on reflective? we need to resolve this, and have already started to do so via "Break Through the Limit." calling the attack now would undermine that progress while trying to negotiate would reinforce that progress. in fact, it may be enough to resolve reflective, especially if we succeed.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
She doesn't have to fight she can focus all her efforts on protecting the civilians. We have plenty of backup to fight for us. Also if the cease-fire works it is the only option that has the scouts hanging around continuing to give us action penalties.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
...
Kakara enjoys sparring. It is the application of violence, not the experience, that bothers her.
"Hey dad go beat up people right in front of me, I sign off on this" is as bad or possibly worse than actually doing it herself.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
Ah, just what I wanted to read~
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Um, no?
Goku and radish
Yamcha, tenshinhan, Chao tzu, nappa, and all the saba men, piccolo
All of freeza's underlings in the lead up to the final confrontation.
Dende, vegeta, krillin.
Freeza's and Cold. +underlings
19
20
No combatants die in piccolo 's first confrontation with cell.
17 and 18
16, cell, goku, cell again. Also trunks, iirc
Everyone except for Satan and goku in the Buu fight dies at least once
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
In all those case the attacker was going for a kill.
Well besides the self destructs. Although I guess you could say the attacker was going for the kill as well.
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- Location
- United Kingdom
Definitely glad we passed that last check.
Probably going to go for complete ceasefire. I want Kakara to continue to give peace a chance.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
That's... irrelevant to your initial claim?
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
'run out of ki before getting hurt.'
Attacker actually going for a kill doesn't change them not running out of ki first.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
I think we should negotiate. Not because of character development but because it will be easier to do so with the main fleet if their scouts can vouch that we want to negotiate instead of using negotiations to stage an ambush.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
... The first place my thought goes from that is 'cannon fodder for fighting the enemy, get!'
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Kakara had a hefty, "Technically true," bonus going into that check, amusingly enough.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Kakara had a hefty, "Technically true," bonus going into that check, amusingly enough.
I was going to ask if she had such actually. Since she doesn't know how he's pulling that shit off.
- Location
- United Kingdom
The best kind of truth.Kakara had a hefty, "Technically true," bonus going into that check, amusingly enough.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Vote open
[X] Try to negotiate a complete cease-fire. It'll mean making promises backed by your position of authority, and definitely will take some of your people scrambling to get Meerak to a radio to vouch for your sincerity and trustworthiness, but if you convince enough of the scouts that a fight isn't necessary right now, you may be able to pressure the leader into admitting that a surrender is his only choice. But you're not even sure if it's possible...
[X] Try to negotiate a complete cease-fire. It'll mean making promises backed by your position of authority, and definitely will take some of your people scrambling to get Meerak to a radio to vouch for your sincerity and trustworthiness, but if you convince enough of the scouts that a fight isn't necessary right now, you may be able to pressure the leader into admitting that a surrender is his only choice. But you're not even sure if it's possible...
- Location
- USA
I think the biggest thing we need to do is evaluate what happens in both the gradients of success and failure. Then we need to consider our chances of success and how that impacts reflective.
I'm going to use the cease fire option as an example. I think we can all agree that it is a high risk high reward option, right? It is the most complicated option, with the success of the negotiation not based on just our communication checks (hell, it's not based on just our checks in general). There are a lot of parts that could go wrong and sabotage the negotiation or turn it into a negligible success that would otherwise be a lot better.
The big point I want to get to is what happens if we fail, specifically in regards to our reflective trait. We already have a victory here, although it's a small one. If things go wrong with it, it can turn that into a defeat. How would Kakara feel if she chose negotiation, it broke down, and the people under her were killed or seriously hurt? She knows this can be over in an instant with no more damage, so she'll know that she was the reason they were able to do it. Some degree of the people's blood would be on her hands. That's some serious trauma to get through, and it would really fuck up our progress on reflective.
I'm not saying the cease fire is the wrong option, but we need to think of what could go wrong in addition to what can go right.
(Sorry for any errors and/or typos. I'm on my phone right now so typing is a bitch)
I'm going to use the cease fire option as an example. I think we can all agree that it is a high risk high reward option, right? It is the most complicated option, with the success of the negotiation not based on just our communication checks (hell, it's not based on just our checks in general). There are a lot of parts that could go wrong and sabotage the negotiation or turn it into a negligible success that would otherwise be a lot better.
The big point I want to get to is what happens if we fail, specifically in regards to our reflective trait. We already have a victory here, although it's a small one. If things go wrong with it, it can turn that into a defeat. How would Kakara feel if she chose negotiation, it broke down, and the people under her were killed or seriously hurt? She knows this can be over in an instant with no more damage, so she'll know that she was the reason they were able to do it. Some degree of the people's blood would be on her hands. That's some serious trauma to get through, and it would really fuck up our progress on reflective.
I'm not saying the cease fire is the wrong option, but we need to think of what could go wrong in addition to what can go right.
(Sorry for any errors and/or typos. I'm on my phone right now so typing is a bitch)