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[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
[X] [RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Valleyhome
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] No
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
 
Sooooo...What is the reasoning behind minimal refugee vote besides people not giving a fuck about CA?

Like, at least -1.5 has no chance to kill us, so I, again, have no idea why would people vote so.
 
Hmmm

Actually, you know what?

We have in fact noted how the Lowlands is all trouble. So if they openly rebel against us, that would mean we can cut them off. So if we take all the "may trigger war with vassal" options... hmmm...

ctulhuslp said:
Sooooo...What is the reasoning behind minimal refugee vote besides people not giving a fuck about CA?

Like, at least -1.5 has no chance to kill us, so I, again, have no idea why would people vote so.
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People would rather burn the stab on the Lowlands questions.
 
VoidZero said:
That is assuming those items are of equal value, so it's not the most accurate way of describing exchanges between vassal and overlord.
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Which is why I am okay with giving them two things in return for a concession. Three or Four is too much.
PyroTechno said:
We probably want to suicide them into the ground later and form a new mercenary group to replace them. That neatly solves the issue of cultural drift, and if we do it right it won't necessarily establish a precedent.
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Lord's Loyalty says No.

That drops Stability.
Warlord D Thoran said:
[x]plan Raichu1972
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No Plan Voting.
ctulhuslp said:
Sooooo...What is the reasoning behind minimal refugee vote besides people not giving a fuck about CA?

Like, at least -1.5 has no chance to kill us, so I, again, have no idea why would people vote so.
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Because we don't believe in your fearmongering.
 
Would be laughable if our preists lost then our People converted to the religion of the Xoh. Man that would be so hilarious. We would start worshipping the cockroach since the Xoh will not die. Imagine the hilarity if it ends up like Crow where in the future our Moloch worshiping civ thinks they descended from the Xohysirri and were the Greeks to our Romans.
 
Susano said:
Hmmm

Actually, you know what?

We have in fact noted how the Lowlands is all trouble. So if they openly rebel against us, that would mean we can cut them off. So if we take all the "may trigger war with vassal" options... hmmm...


People would rather burn the stab on the Lowlands questions.
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That was my thought, yes.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Sooooo...What is the reasoning behind minimal refugee vote besides people not giving a fuck about CA?

Like, at least -1.5 has no chance to kill us, so I, again, have no idea why would people vote so.
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Future proofing? And I also think it is disingenuous and a bit rude to claim they don't care about CA. I do.
 
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Crack down on their priests (-1 Stability, potential war with vassal, potential +1 Religious authority)
[X] [Low] Restrict right to wage war to defensive only (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
[X] [High] Demand territory (+3 Prestige, +3 Wealth, +2 Econ, +4 Econ expansion, -1 Centralization, requires further militarycommitment, likely requires more actions)
[X] [RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Valleyhome
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] No
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
 
Susano said:
Hmmm

Actually, you know what?

We have in fact noted how the Lowlands is all trouble. So if they openly rebel against us, that would mean we can cut them off. So if we take all the "may trigger war with vassal" options... hmmm...


People would rather burn the stab on the Lowlands questions.
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pretty sure we take a huge stab hit from vassals rebelling due to divine stewards.
 
We are currently burning six stat points per turn
-2 econ (cities)
-1 wealth (red banner)
-1-3 wealth (crisis)

What is our current passive income?
 
[X][Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)

Most other things look fine but we really need this. CA is in danger of degrading.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Sooooo...What is the reasoning behind minimal refugee vote besides people not giving a fuck about CA?

Like, at least -1.5 has no chance to kill us, so I, again, have no idea why would people vote so.
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I personally voted for the -1 stab refuge option, but your constant attempts to make not taking more than minimum refugees be a hazardous blow to CA made me almost not want to.

We have taken in many refugees over the turns, way more than the bare minimum. The way you say it, it's like we haven't taken more than bare minimum in like 20 turns or something.

Some people are being pragmatic in their votes and decided that keeping stability relatively high in case the Lowlanders all screw up and make us hemorrhage stability is more important than taking more than required refugees this turn.

I personally value the econ the refugees give, and the possibility that Lowlanders can be given an example of how they can successfully assimilate into our culture.

It would help your case if you were less scathing in your argument, or presented compelling reasons as to why you wish to take in more refugees.
 
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Crack down on their priests (-1 Stability, potential war with vassal, potential +1 Religious authority)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [High] Demand territory (+3 Prestige, +3 Wealth, +2 Econ, +4 Econ expansion, -1 Centralization, requires further military commitment, likely requires more actions)
[X] [RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Valleyhome
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)

Changing vote to one that might win.
 
DragonParadox said:
[X][Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)

Most other things look fine but we really need this. CA is in danger of degrading.
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Fearmongering
Academia Nut said:
[X][Refugee] Widely advertise that you have room (-3 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ, neither city loses True City status, ???)
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Academia Nut said:
[X][Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
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Academia Nut said:
[X][Refugee] They accepted all who came (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
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In the last three generations, we took the largest amount twice. We will be fine doing it once more.
 
Lord's Loyalty means that if they rebel because we were too overbearing it would be our fault for not properly instructing our subordinates.

To have them not break off, we would have to help and teach them for a couple of turns, and then have them try to rebel against us or something similar.
 
DragonParadox said:
We just committed genocide. Also I recall us taking the largest amount once recently.
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Oh for fucks sake would you knock it off with the genocide crap? Did you see us systematically rounding up every single man, woman, child, and cutting them down before burning the city? The update said specifically he let anyone who didn't want to burn with the city to grab what they could carry and GTFO, so fuck of with the genocide thing.
 
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