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If we want to progress we can choose the debate optiom with high refugees. If we want to be conservative we can stamp out all other religions then increasing RA so its safe and untouched. We have to chain a bunch of megaprojects (Palace, Census, Games(easy stab action gain?) and Place to the Stars(better math)) in the future to help round us out and make admin easier.
 
One thing I'm hoping is that the debates and the forcing to follow the spirit of the law along with the many improvements would be enough to get them to stop raiding others on their own without resorting to biting stability loss and angering them further.
 
@Academia Nut : Does our high Mysticism and high Prestige help with the debates?

Seems like if they ever say something like "Our Gods are better then your God's" we can then just point at the burned down city. In fact it seems like most of their arguments based purely on faith should be beaten like that. Hope our pirests don't rub it in too much, but it is a handy tool.
 
Glassware said:
Eating the Stallions needs to happen next turn to prevent them from fracturing our religion.
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Could you maybe cite some evidence for that?

I do think we need to integrate someone in order to afford the Palace econ, but I'd actually rather take Hatvalley. With the Nomads on horses roaming around up north, the Stallions still provide a valuable service. Hatvalley is on a similar precipice (remember Rulwyna feared them breaking away first causing the failure cascade?), and they have all our silver and gold mines.

The only thing worse than currency causing a tax crisis is completely losing our supply of it.
 
Guys stop voting for humiliate and choose the tribute or territory actions! Both help us out and weakens the HK during this time of instabilty.
 
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Well that is helpful.

With the new information, updating my vote.
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [High] Demand territory (+3 Prestige, +3 Wealth, +2 Econ, +4 Econ expansion, -1 Centralization, requires further military commitment, likely requires more actions)
[X] [RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Valleyhome
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)

I can deal with not stopping offensive wars if we can work on it later. Definitely want to attack Highlanders for new land. Also doesn't cost Stability that we need to help reduce growing pains as well as lowering Centralization so we can hopefully double Main Trails Again (Though We do need to integrate the Stallions...)

Reduced Refugee vote as we are no longer in such deep need of Econ.
 
Guile said:
Could you maybe cite some evidence for that?
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The Stallions are building up art and mysticism in order to build their own temple. This will massively worsen the cultural divergence between north and south by solidifying religious divergence with the main temple in Valleyhome. Hence, religious fracture that could take a very long time to heal indeed.
 
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)

[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)

[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)

[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival

[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of theirown initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)

That extra econ really changes the vote.
 
Candesce said:
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of theirown initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
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But why?
Why do you people think that we can do a genocide and fuckton of war and preserve value of "Do not be an asshole" without workin for it?
Do you really think AN will let us have our cake and eat it like this?

Reasoning of "risk breaking our civ" does not even work against -1.5 option.
 
@Academia Nut
  1. What is the current opinion of the northern territories in regards to the south?
  2. What is the actual difference between deploying the Red Banner from Valleyhome versus Hatvalley? Do they leave their families back in Valleyhome?
 
Comsidering that we will have opportunities later to change our vassal's ways, do we really want to try to end their practice of slavery right now?

I think that it might be better to stop their practice of human sacrifice instead. It ends the (imo) more odious practice and increases the likelihood that our priests will win their debate.
 
Folks, "Force them to follow the spirit of the law" seems like fighting the symptoms to me. We would have to fight over every issue separately.

The real problem seems to be the power of the Lowland priests. I really think we should instead crack down on them.

ctulhuslp said:
But why?
Why do you people think that we can do a genocide and fuckton of war and preserve value of "Do not be an asshole" without workin for it?
Do you really think AN will let us have our cake and eat it like this?

Reasoning of "risk breaking our civ" does not even work against -1.5 option.
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Eh, if CA downgraded itself to Land of Opportunity again, that would still be acceptable to me.
 
Susano said:
Folks, "Force them to follow the spirit of the law" seems like fighting the symptoms to me. We would have to fight over every issue separately.
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Actually, this hits at the base of a cultural transformation. We give them the skills and tech to farm without needing slaves, and force them to rearrange their society around that. It's a big deal long term.
 
Glassware said:
The Stallions are building up art and mysticism in order to build their own temple. This will massively worsen the cultural divergence between north and south by solidifying religious divergence with the main temple in Valleyhome. Hence, religious fracture that could take a very long time to heal indeed.
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They still worship our gods and mostly have our values (minus the martial stuff). The Stallions getting a temple (not a Great Temple, as far as I know, just a temple) isn't really worthy of the name 'religious fracture'.
 
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)

I'm very much a peace in our time kinda guy, as my posting and voting has indicated. However, they shanked us (for justified reasons. We're fucking scary and just erased a civ from existence).

If we just go "Apologize and go away" I don't think it satisfies our justice trait and also might send a message of weakness and / or distraction.

I think slapping them on the wrist and going "Bad. No. Pay a fine and think about what you did." Satisfies our justice and sends a message that we're punishing them for what they did, but have no interest in taking them over or erasing them in the way that demanding territory would.
 
Well good thing we were gonna do the Palace anyways. I'm too tired to vote right now.

[] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
Let our Love of Wisdom figure out what's right based on logic rather than blindly clinging to what we got. I wouldn't mind a shake up, but I love our current traits. Let them prove themselves in the philosophic battlefield.

[] [Low] Crack down on their priests (-1 Stability, potential war with vassal, potential +1 Religious authority)
[] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
I'm glad the Lowland Minors bridged the gap to our territory themselves. That being said, let's stamp their warmongering shit the fuck out and teach them the basics of how we've lasted this long.

[] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
We shouldn't be dealing with this shit, let's just prove them wrong and get back to our own problems.

[] [RB] Remain at rest
Chill bruh, we good. Mellow yourselves out for awhile, get back on our wavelength.

[] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
Teach the new Ymaryns our culture properly, plus Stability.

[] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
If we can pop it back to True City later I wanna do this, then bring them back after the Palace if Free City ends up being a pain in the ass.

Refugee vote needs math, I'll wait til I see the debates. Would rather take more people than less though, because the -3 Stab option and up looks like a shiny and helps tons more people. It's tempting to me.

This is my gut decision. I'll read the debate and properly vote after I've slept.
 
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