He had access to holy artifacts and the background knowledge on a whole lot of metal smelting. It's pretty likely.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Oh, yeah, I'm totally staying out of that one.
[X][Main]Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Secondary]Change Policy-Expansion
[X][Main]Sacred Forest Renewal x2
[X][Divine] Speak up for the idea (+1 Religious Authority, other effects)
[X] Red Banner Company - Northern Nomads
@Academia Nut With the advent of waterpower, will we get the chance of building something like a ropeway?
Yep. We had shamans at the time, certainly - but I don't believe we had priests until later. Those are not the same thing.
Like really?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[x][Divine] Speak up for the idea (+1 Religious Authority, other effects)
- Location
- New Zealand
[X] [Divine] Speak against it (-1 Religious Authority, potential trouble for heir)
Interesting idea, but it directly brings politics into religion and religion into politics. The fact that Ylrulthyn has mediocre Mysticism makes me think that if he becomes King this RA push will take advantage of the low stat. Our kings look to their advisers for advice in stuff they aren't versed in, and high RA means our priests will have a lot of power as well as providing the king with Myst advice. It sounds like a start of a slippery slope and that makes me nervous.
[X][Main] Megaproject-Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Secondary] Change Policy-Megaproject Support
[X][Secondary] War Mission-Northern Nomads
[X] Red Banner Company - Northern Nomads
Also, I _really_ think we should integrate the ST after this nomad war, if not during it. How many hundreds of years have they been their own polity now?
Interesting idea, but it directly brings politics into religion and religion into politics. The fact that Ylrulthyn has mediocre Mysticism makes me think that if he becomes King this RA push will take advantage of the low stat. Our kings look to their advisers for advice in stuff they aren't versed in, and high RA means our priests will have a lot of power as well as providing the king with Myst advice. It sounds like a start of a slippery slope and that makes me nervous.
[X][Main] Megaproject-Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Secondary] Change Policy-Megaproject Support
[X][Secondary] War Mission-Northern Nomads
[X] Red Banner Company - Northern Nomads
Also, I _really_ think we should integrate the ST after this nomad war, if not during it. How many hundreds of years have they been their own polity now?
- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
- Pronouns
- Any
[X] [Divine] Speak against it (-1 Religious Authority, potential trouble for heir)
[X][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal x2
[X][Secondary]War Mission-Northern Nomads
[X] Red Banner Company - Northern Nomads
[X][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal x2
[X][Secondary]War Mission-Northern Nomads
[X] Red Banner Company - Northern Nomads
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- Location
- Staring into the void
[X][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal x2
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[X][Divine] Speak against it (-1 Religious Authority, potential trouble for heir)
[X] Red Banner Company - Northern Nomads
[X][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal x2
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[X][Divine] Speak against it (-1 Religious Authority, potential trouble for heir)
[X] Red Banner Company - Northern Nomads
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
I'm concerned about the Expansion policy, because putting down lots of settlements could over-strain our admin.
What I'd prefer is to expand manually, and let the provinces do the megaproject. We could afford to do a policy switch, secondary new settlement (because it's almost as good as a Main), and Main War + Red Banner, showing the Stallions that we're serious about being united as a people, then next turn (with the nomads hopefully being crushed by our triple war), then next turn we can double Expand Econ + secondary Settlement.
What I'd prefer is to expand manually, and let the provinces do the megaproject. We could afford to do a policy switch, secondary new settlement (because it's almost as good as a Main), and Main War + Red Banner, showing the Stallions that we're serious about being united as a people, then next turn (with the nomads hopefully being crushed by our triple war), then next turn we can double Expand Econ + secondary Settlement.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [Divine] Speak against it (-1 Religious Authority, potential trouble for heir)
Before anything else.... fuck no. Divine patronage is the worst of all ideas. It literally is just a mandate for the king to be an idiot.
Goddamn do we need to integrate western wall or Stallion tribes. That was literally a word of god that our people are diverging from each other. We don't have the diplomacy to do it yet, but the second we do it needs to happen.
[X][Main]Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Secondary]Change Policy-Balanced
[X][Secondary]Change Policy-Balanced
Before anything else.... fuck no. Divine patronage is the worst of all ideas. It literally is just a mandate for the king to be an idiot.
Goddamn do we need to integrate western wall or Stallion tribes. That was literally a word of god that our people are diverging from each other. We don't have the diplomacy to do it yet, but the second we do it needs to happen.
[X][Main]Sacred Forest Renewal
[X][Secondary]Change Policy-Balanced
[X][Secondary]Change Policy-Balanced
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- Location
- Illinois
...Really? You're taking what they were complaining waaaaaay out of context.
1. Was literally considered by the Ymaryn to be animal abuse by young men. It'd be like complaining that a Priest in modern times was advocating for banning dog fighting rings, even though said rings could lead to better dogs on the battlefield. We know how important horse riding is, but the King and the Shamans were rightfully disgusted by this.
2. Who else is going to be blamed? As far as any humans are concerned at this point in time, bad weather must be due to angry spirits, which means someone or something must have done something stupid. So the priest advocated making sure that if it was the Ymaryn, that people take the appropriate actions to appease the gods. I didn't see anyone complaining about that line of thought when Grand Sacrifice was our go-to stability generator.
3. The iron guy. Yeah, I mean the priest obviously should have forgiven him for sneaking into their holy site, stealing some incredibly rare and valuable, not to mention spiritually significant, artifacts, and then proceed to destroy them on nothing less than a lark. Oh, and he also stole a bunch of holy relics from the MWs as well. But those silly priests, killing such a visionary!
Like, really. Imagine if he had failed. Possible diplomatic incident and a good chunk of our star metal just wasted. I'm sure people would have been sympathetic to him and not the priesthood then, right?
Dutch
Bored Spearman of the Wind
- Location
- CET
You also realize that that would embolden people to get rid of the king every time something goes wrong right? No matter if it was something he/she actually had a hand in.
He wasn't he couldn't think about a possible connection between the spiritual effects of him stealing the star metal and the sudden plague. He was most likely a Craftsman.
Nevermind the fact that the priesthood formed after our golden age when we build the temple.l
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- Location
- Mists of Albion
This doesn't matter, the fact is that those innovations could be pressed forward despite Priest resistance because the Priests have little actual power, involving them more in politics is going to make it harder to do stuff such as study Iron, create horse riding and focus on the right decisions when the Priests want us to do something different
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- Staring into the void
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Currently the Priests have a love of Wisdom.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Didn't stop them from trying to prevent horse riding did it?
- Location
- Illinois
Yes, and the priesthood never innovates things, they just get in the way all the time. I mean, all those study actions are obviously done by the average man, while the priesthood keeps trying to stop them. Why, without our shamans, I'm sure we'd be much farther advanced than we are now!
It's not like the shamans created the sacred warding, stopped multiple diseases, and so forth.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
This is baseless fearmongering. Our priests are not idiots, and increasing their power will help both our polity and our faith. You remember getting Love of Wisdom, which respects innovation, right? You remember how the priests are the driving force behind the Sacred Forest Renewal Project?
That was them responding to animal cruelty. And you know, given that there was no stability loss or anything, the fact that our king at the time had a good argument for what appeared to be institutionalized animal cruelty suggests that they listen to reason.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
For people worried about us not being able to override the priests if we do this remember that is will also mean the King gains more RA.
Also we control the priests to an extent.
Also we control the priests to an extent.
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- Location
- Illinois
Because it wasn't wisdom! It was literally a bunch of kids abusing horses for fun. The kids weren't trying to invent horseriding, the only reason it did lead to it was the King had a dream that he shared with the priest, who tentatively agreed such an idea might work and left it to the king's discretion.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
- Location
- Australia
You'll want to change the wording of your vote two this if you want to double Main the megaproject:
[][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal
[][Main] Sacred Forest Renewal x2
It's how most of the megaproject votes are being written.
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- Location
- Canada
I may be incorrect but I don't think that's how it should be interpreted... instead, it's the Ymaryn's religion gaining RA. While it may be all sunshine and puppies in terms of attracting more followers, by increasing the powerbase of the clergy and also directly injecting them into the politics (instead of their indirect roles as advisors), I fear for the worst.