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Painfulldarksoul said:
@Karugus You claim that we don't know that it is not immediately useful. We know and don't care.
The thing with stuff that isn't useful now is, it will be useful later on and this is something to add to our tech list. We have just to vote right.
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Cool. Tell me when we figure out the process to enrich uranium before we can make electricity. That's a tech we need to add to the list too! I mean, eventually we can make bombs even better than gunpowder with it! That should make it, like, twice as valuable right?

I don't give a fuck if it takes 5 centuries to pay out, that's 5 centuries we could have had more hatter turf, or levereaged diplomacy to better our position.

telling someone that you're aware you're buying fools gold for the price of the real thing and hence they were wrong to rant and rave at your decision making skills is a pretty stupid fucking argument to say the least.
 
Guys do you want a hero on the throne next turn? If so please choose the military vote unless Rhuwynna shows noticeable accomplishments she will not become king not unless we are willing to go hereditary of course.
Adhoc vote count started by Reader of all on Jun 16, 2017 at 4:06 AM, finished with 55679 posts and 65 votes.
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Necratoid said:
The amount of hatred for males floating around disgusts me. Lots of delusions floating around. We don't even know what sex most involved are... and its fight the patriarch this. Punish them for being male that. The People don't even know what the hell that term means.
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Whether the People know what a patriarchy is or not they still have it per word of GM and it is getting worse.
 
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BungieONI said:
Well I would count our mostly hereditary warriors as a "professional" army though they could definitely stand for improvement.
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No, they are not. They are trained elites, that's all. Elites are just that, elites, they are basically artists whose canvas is war. Same with everything else: Blackbirds, Carrion Eaters and militia whose work isn't their entire life. It's really close, but there hasn't been someone who has taken all the pieces of the puzzle to make it into the whole that is a professional army. Warriors aren't numerous enough. Mounted archers are more akin to artists or artisans. Carrion Eaters are moonlighting as healers. Blackbirds are mainly acting as rangers but are the closest to being an "army" of the king.

This setup isn't a professional army, it's reminiscent of the European Middle Age with knights and their retinue assisted by the other human resources available in a fief.

A professional army is different, it is that but made whole under a unified chain of command with standardized equipment, logistical support and everything else answering to the king as well as disciplined enough not to go to war when told not to.

It's the difference between the Middle Age setup and the Roman legions.
 
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@Karugus here's an argument for voting for the Mysticism path that might appeal to you, and it's also why I voted for it.

  1. The "diplomacy" options are absolute shit that either involve the Highlanders in our internal politics, which is a no-no, or get rid of her but gives the nomads horse riding which is terrible.
  2. I didn't want to reinforce the elite warrior mentality and further advance the warrior elites in Ymaryn society. I assume our continued goal is to be generally more peaceful than our neighbors.
  3. The mysticism option gets her out of both of these options and likely produces some benefit. I don't really care what.
Edit: blasted phone keyboard
 
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DragonParadox said:
She is a hero with quite possibly heroic diplomacy. She will likely be king anyway, though it might cost us some stability.
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And some legitimacy and maybe a step towars hereditary rulers keep in mind that if the research vote wins and if it is gun powder then it would have no or little use in the lives of the people and her opponents will claim the only reason she became king is that her father was king whereas if she conquers that hath not only will we get more territory but make it so that people will see that she became king through merit.
 
Karugus said:
Cool. Tell me when we figure out the process to enrich uranium before we can make electricity. That's a tech we need to add to the list too! I mean, eventually we can make bombs even better than gunpowder with it! That should make it, like, twice as valuable right?

I don't give a fuck if it takes 5 centuries to pay out, that's 5 centuries we could have had more hatter turf, or levereaged diplomacy to better our position.

telling someone that you're aware you're buying fools gold for the price of the real thing and hence they were wrong to rant and rave at your decision making skills is a pretty stupid fucking argument to say the least.
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Are you going to content yourself with ignoring the notion that explosives would be mystically significant? Even if the reward is only mysticism, that's still better than nothing, which you're equating the option to, and there's a chance that explosives are seen as so awe-inspiring that they're worth actual religious authority.
 
pbluekan said:
@Karugus here's an argument for voting for the Mysticism path that might appeal to you, and it's also why I voted for it.
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Perfectly reasonable. I'm naturally of a bit more martial bent, and am already a bit worried how politically motivated technological research seems to be getting for the People, but hey- you're choosing fool's gold knowing it's fool's gold.
 
Cathon Grimeye said:
No, they are not. They are trained elites, that's all. Elites are just that, elites, they are basically artists whose canvas is war. Same with everything else: Blackbirds, Carrion Eaters and militia whose work isn't their entire life. It's really close, but there hasn't been someone who has taken all the pieces of the puzzle to make it into the whole that is a professional army. Warriors aren't numerous enough. Mounted archers are more akin to artists or artisans. Carrion Eaters are moonlighting as healers. Blackbirds are mainly acting as rangers but are the closest to being an "army" of the king.

This setup isn't a professional army, it's reminiscent of the European Middle Age with knights and their retinue assisted by the other human resources available in a fief.

A professional army is different, it is that but made whole under a unified chain of command with standardized equipment, logistical support and everything else answering to the king as well as disciplined enough not to go to war when told not to.

It's the difference between the Middle Age setup and the Roman legions.
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Only constant large scale war leads to professional armies, in the olden Times such armies were such an economic sinkhole that they had to be used and abused constantly to even remotely justify the costs.

Good luck getting the thread to go declare an unceasing war for the conquest of everything.
 
Reader of all said:
And some legitimacy and maybe a step towars hereditary rulers keep in mind that if the research vote wins and if it is gun powder then it would have no or little use in the lives of the people and her opponents will claim the only reason she became king is that her father was king whereas if she conquers that hath not only will we get more territory but make it so that people will see that she became king through merit.
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The merit of waging war of conquest. There are no easy choices here.
 
Powerofmind said:
Are you going to content yourself with ignoring the notion that explosives would be mystically significant? Even if the reward is only mysticism, that's still better than nothing, which you're equating the option to, and there's a chance that explosives are seen as so awe-inspiring that they're worth actual religious authority.
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We'll have accelerants, not explosives.

As for religious authority, is religion a major issue in terms of foreign policy right now? Not really. I mean, more pilgrimage is nice but not italic emphasizing religious authority nice- and I should know, I'm the king of italic emphasis.

My problem isn't the option itself, it's why the people are going after the option and the utter failure to consider the narrative consequences of it.
 
Reader of all said:
Guys do you want a hero on the throne next turn? If so please choose the military vote unless Rhuwynna shows noticeable accomplishments she will not become king not unless we are willing to go hereditary of course.
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Reader of all said:
C'mon guys a vote for new path of war is a vote for King Ruwynna.
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Nobody likes this kind of vote campaigning.

Also, using your terminology, a vote for King Ruwynna is a vote to advance the warrior elites in society because that is who would be supporting her.
 
If we invent gunpowder, it is right around when the Library was only ~three generations old. This is the beginning of history as we know it.
 
Powerofmind said:
Are you going to content yourself with ignoring the notion that explosives would be mystically significant? Even if the reward is only mysticism, that's still better than nothing, which you're equating the option to, and there's a chance that explosives are seen as so awe-inspiring that they're worth actual religious authority.
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Remember the Spirit Talkers having the Nomads cowed just by knowing enough to bait them into eating a lightning bolt? And the Spirit Talkers little trick with cavern echoes.

Being able to make things go boom is mystical authority even if it has no practical application for a while. Heck, forget the explosions. Just figuring out that you could turn a fire green by adding some reagents is plenty there.
 
Bah, if you folks really wanted religious authority you should have went with the king God Temple with sacred lottery and holy prostitutes.
 
Karugus said:
Perfectly reasonable. I'm naturally of a bit more martial bent, and am already a bit worried how politically motivated technological research seems to be getting for the People, but hey- you're choosing fool's gold knowing it's fool's gold.
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May I convince you to vote new paths of war then?
DragonParadox said:
The merit of waging war of conquest. There are no easy choices here.
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I never claimed there were easy choices regardless we did not start the war but we are ending and if ending it involves consuming the remaining hat then that is just a plus.
pbluekan said:
Nobody likes this kind of vote campaigning.

Also, using your terminology, a vote for King Ruwynna is a vote to advance the warrior elites in society because that is who would be supporting her.
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No it would also be the common man since she would end the war and allow our yeomans to go back to their families and farms. It would also ensure that woman have a place in the military as with our library her memory will not be distorted making her an insparation for girls who want to become soldiers.
 
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