Also, @Academia Nut, if it isn't too much, could you tell us Lolwyna's stat spread? The advice she gave to us about aqueduct building makes me think she's more than meets the eye.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
I'm getting the sense that Rulhutyn likes Lolwyna. While he does admit that she's not attractive he does call her "strangely alluring". Assuming that he's not married, our next update, if the sponsorship wins, may see the two of them getting together. We've never had two heroes do that.
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
I'm getting the sense that Rulhutyn likes Lolwyna. While he does admit that she's not attractive he does call her "strangely alluring". Assuming that he's not married, our next update, if the sponsorship wins, may see the two of them getting together. We've never had two heroes do that.
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What does it mean to increase True City threshold?
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- He/Him
Chariots arose sometime around 4000 BC IRL, and cavalry only really starts to be a thing like 1000 BC, and even then it took centuries to become dominant. By the time cavalry was really good, chariots were hilariously obsolete in battle.
Threatening trade position.
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- He/Him
The point at which there are too many Econ Expansion spots to sustain Valleyhome goes up.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
Diff Checker
(Edit: there were some changes since i first posted)
9 + 4 (Usual per turn) - 1 (Bad climate affecting trade) = 12
Econ 1 [-1+4] -> 9 (+1) [-1+4]
1 - 1 (True City) + 4 (Baby Boom) + 4 (Expand Econ) + 1 (Black Soil) + (+1) (Settlement end of turn)= 9
Edit: ...I'm an idiot and forgot about the direct econ from teh settlement at first
Econ Expansion 9 [+1-4] -> 9 [+1-4]
9 + 1 (True City) - 4 (Baby Boom) - 4 (Expand Econ) + ? (Black Soil + New Settlement) = 9, meaning that new settlement plus any from "additional effects" of black soil was +7, which means either thats an amazing city location or black soil is ridiculous or i and/or AN did math wrong?
Edit: Somehow forgot martial:
Martial 9 (+1) {9} -> 10 {13}
As expected.
6 + 1 (Temple) + 1 (Study Stars) + 1 (Main settlement).
Most importantly, they make and trade Bronze and Tin, they sell spices, which is new, they are italiziced on Fine Dye and Wine, which i think means they are threatening our status there? They also have Salt, which is bad...though not italicized so maybe just via trade, not a proper saltern?
Also the Hath are no longer crossed out because they survived :/
Also, we learned of ("Known Only") Furs and Amber.
Two sailing missions, a new iron mine, a forest, and a survey...amazing.
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
All seem obvious. Test currency in a smaller setting, wait for better admin king (hopefully another hero maybe...) before expanding use. Regulate horseback riding, placate priests and finally get a second true city (and maybe a legacy...?), and let the mystic hero do her job. Worst case we have a better reason to build another temple soon...
(Edit: there were some changes since i first posted)
Diplo 9 [+4] -> 12 [+4]
9 + 4 (Usual per turn) - 1 (Bad climate affecting trade) = 12
Econ 1 [-1+4] -> 9 (+1) [-1+4]
1 - 1 (True City) + 4 (Baby Boom) + 4 (Expand Econ) + 1 (Black Soil) + (+1) (Settlement end of turn)= 9
Edit: ...I'm an idiot and forgot about the direct econ from teh settlement at first
Econ Expansion 9 [+1-4] -> 9 [+1-4]
9 + 1 (True City) - 4 (Baby Boom) - 4 (Expand Econ) + ? (Black Soil + New Settlement) = 9, meaning that new settlement plus any from "additional effects" of black soil was +7, which means either thats an amazing city location or black soil is ridiculous or i and/or AN did math wrong?
Edit: Somehow forgot martial:
Martial 9 (+1) {9} -> 10 {13}
As expected.
Stability -1 -> 0. As expected from enforce justice
Centralization 3->4, again, only +1 from Enforce Justice.
Mysticism 6 -> 9
6 + 1 (Temple) + 1 (Study Stars) + 1 (Main settlement).
Holy shit lots of changes, because the Trelli are ridiculous.
Most importantly, they make and trade Bronze and Tin, they sell spices, which is new, they are italiziced on Fine Dye and Wine, which i think means they are threatening our status there? They also have Salt, which is bad...though not italicized so maybe just via trade, not a proper saltern?
Also the Hath are no longer crossed out because they survived :/
Also, we learned of ("Known Only") Furs and Amber.
Err, i think the "none" is wrong here AN?
This got fixed to properly reflect our slots...though i'm still not sure why it isn't 4/5+1, since only one slot is specific to marches...
I love our provinces and periphery states <3.
Two sailing missions, a new iron mine, a forest, and a survey...amazing.
Hmm...I don't know enough about climate stuff to know what this means...Doesn't seem to have actually affected our econ score though.
!!! Currency!
Mysticism hero! Admittedly maybe a suspicious one...Likely to be mythologized by fusion with the Multh-name god(dess) we learned about with the temple, by solidifying said god as a goddess, in the consort advisor role.
!!! Holy shit horseback riding! Looks like this was the mysticism crit that spawned our hero, since its costing religious authority...
Fur and Amber, interesting...
! Istanbul equivalent! Must have...
Well, at least the Hath are failing for the most part...raiders should be easy-ish to beat...though, @Academia Nut how do the Hathatyn's ships compare to ours, assuming our people have been able to see them lately?
Haha, sweet! The Thunder speakers live up to the legacy of helping break up power in the lowlands...
Oooh, aqueduct and possible second true city sounds really nice...
Oooh, interesting...risky, but i think worth it?
That's a good question...they're not near the MW, or we'd know. They're not within reach of our marches mission up north...
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
All seem obvious. Test currency in a smaller setting, wait for better admin king (hopefully another hero maybe...) before expanding use. Regulate horseback riding, placate priests and finally get a second true city (and maybe a legacy...?), and let the mystic hero do her job. Worst case we have a better reason to build another temple soon...
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I love the fact that thanks to our legacies and other projects the kings explicitly know that if they are dealing with something that they are not familiar with then they should ask their advisors on how to go about it.
It really helps mitigate a lot of weaknesses. And if something bad happens their are records of precedents to fall back on.
It really helps mitigate a lot of weaknesses. And if something bad happens their are records of precedents to fall back on.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Given that some of the diplo stat will get merged into a new one with currency, I'm expecting there to be a replacement bonus of Wealth.
The problem being that that's not why we're doing it.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
To be fair they sound like dicks, so breaking their Naval lock with a naval battle should be fun, considering they are just one city with one dock to our three they should be swamped and destroyed easily, especially due to our ranged superiority.
In a few turns, if they start hurting our trade we double Secondary Build Boats and Main War on them, overwhelm them for being dicks and challenging our status as The Naval power of the Not!Black Sea
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
- Location
- Canada, ontario
[X] [Curr] Yes, for everyone (Stability loss?, Other effects?, establishes currency)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Do you remember all the things needed to make a horse able to be ridden on? (I in fact have also only ridden on a horse once)
needless to say is gets readily complicated fast, not only that you usually need skill and even more equipment in order to fight effectively while on horseback.
- Location
- Australia
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
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[X] [Curr] Yes, in valleyhome
Our hero is a very poor administrator and has difficulty even understanding the potential of this development. Lets just have currency in a single area where it can grow and develop and where it is easier to deal with all the new issues that will arise from this.
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
Angering the priests hurts but we need this. Our archers and bow technology are pretty good, our chariots mainly use bows as a way to combat our enemies. So I'm pretty certain the discovery of horseback riding will lead to the development of cavalry archers. This combined with our iron will allow us to dominate the open battlefield.
.....
Also you just know that the negaverse nomad players will be salty as hell over this.: "First they invent the chariot and then they invent cavalry?! We're the nomads, the ones who use horses for everything, why do they keep advancing in our specialty?!"
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
Our mysticism hero wants to research something? Yes please.
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
Apparently our mysticism hero thinks this will help the shamans tolerate our other choices. So it's a good idea to take this option just to show we aren't playing favorites or dissing the priesthood, they're also getting our attention.
Our hero is a very poor administrator and has difficulty even understanding the potential of this development. Lets just have currency in a single area where it can grow and develop and where it is easier to deal with all the new issues that will arise from this.
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
Angering the priests hurts but we need this. Our archers and bow technology are pretty good, our chariots mainly use bows as a way to combat our enemies. So I'm pretty certain the discovery of horseback riding will lead to the development of cavalry archers. This combined with our iron will allow us to dominate the open battlefield.
.....
Also you just know that the negaverse nomad players will be salty as hell over this.: "First they invent the chariot and then they invent cavalry?! We're the nomads, the ones who use horses for everything, why do they keep advancing in our specialty?!"
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
Our mysticism hero wants to research something? Yes please.
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
Apparently our mysticism hero thinks this will help the shamans tolerate our other choices. So it's a good idea to take this option just to show we aren't playing favorites or dissing the priesthood, they're also getting our attention.
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- Location
- madison
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
this is probably the smart play. But going by past performance academia nut will comment on how he didn't think we'd be stupid enough to take this option before it blows up in our face
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
cavalry would be a rather horrific surprise for the next nomad horde to sweep down towards us. Hmm, we seem to have one major innovation every two hords or so unless I'm mistaken. I wonder if the nomads are picking up on this, and making a note to expect something new and horrifying every other time they swing at us?
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
I have no idea what this is going to do, heroes tend to pull this stuff off fairly well.
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
we've been meaning to do this for a while, and the spirit advisor did advise us to do this, I think.
this is probably the smart play. But going by past performance academia nut will comment on how he didn't think we'd be stupid enough to take this option before it blows up in our face
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
cavalry would be a rather horrific surprise for the next nomad horde to sweep down towards us. Hmm, we seem to have one major innovation every two hords or so unless I'm mistaken. I wonder if the nomads are picking up on this, and making a note to expect something new and horrifying every other time they swing at us?
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
I have no idea what this is going to do, heroes tend to pull this stuff off fairly well.
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
we've been meaning to do this for a while, and the spirit advisor did advise us to do this, I think.
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Ando Owen
Yandere Illya is watching you.
- Location
- Montpellier
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
Because introducing currency into the system will be a social change even more fundamental than the tax system reform we tried much earlier, and we saw how it went. Even if we had a diplomatic and administrative hero to oversee its introduction, it wouldn't have been wise to do the switch straight. Our king is a warrior, not a clerk, that would be crazy.
I also think the main problem with tax system reform was that it was a brilliant idea, but it was composed of many concepts that were unknown to the People at large and thus it couldn't be applied. It ultimately failed due to a lack of education and understanding of the thing by the majority.
Currency would have the same problem, better start small scale, and when the idea is known and used by a good part of the population, then you can apply it on a wide scale without massive stability trouble.
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
Because introducing currency into the system will be a social change even more fundamental than the tax system reform we tried much earlier, and we saw how it went. Even if we had a diplomatic and administrative hero to oversee its introduction, it wouldn't have been wise to do the switch straight. Our king is a warrior, not a clerk, that would be crazy.
I also think the main problem with tax system reform was that it was a brilliant idea, but it was composed of many concepts that were unknown to the People at large and thus it couldn't be applied. It ultimately failed due to a lack of education and understanding of the thing by the majority.
Currency would have the same problem, better start small scale, and when the idea is known and used by a good part of the population, then you can apply it on a wide scale without massive stability trouble.
So, I think we found out one of the main uses of Religious Authority. It acts as a soft cushion for stability losses.
As an example, I'd bet that normally the Horse vote would look like this:
[] [Horse] Crush it
[] [Horse] Ignore it (-1 Stability)
[] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Stability, potential stability loss)
Raising our religious authority is a lost cheaper and easier than raising our stability, so I think that we might want to make it a priority.
As an example, I'd bet that normally the Horse vote would look like this:
[] [Horse] Crush it
[] [Horse] Ignore it (-1 Stability)
[] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Stability, potential stability loss)
Raising our religious authority is a lost cheaper and easier than raising our stability, so I think that we might want to make it a priority.
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
You say that as if it is a bad thing. Such habits are a totally legit and awesome evolution to Honorable Death.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
eh
E + 4 - 5 = 8
M +8/3 = 12
Let's not.
- Location
- Australia
Maybe because doing science is all she's good at and there's more to being a queen than being good at science? Even Princess Bubblegum has a more diversified skillset than her.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
she would most likely be pickable if we go with the tutoring option, if we don't though she is likely to not be pickable.
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
Bureaucracy, Archery, Horsemanship, and now we're talking about attacking Not!Constantinople for obstructing our trade, the bastards.
Ymaryn Not!Persian vibe intensifies. Which I guess makes sense, the Persians probably picked this shit up to deal with @&%#$!!! NOMADS as well.
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
Ymaryn Not!Persian vibe intensifies. Which I guess makes sense, the Persians probably picked this shit up to deal with @&%#$!!! NOMADS as well.
[X] [Curr] Yes, in Valleyhome
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
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