Paths of Civilization
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[X] This man is sick, care for him but ignore his ramblings (???)
The prepare for comet action scares me. Every other action mentions a possible cost, or is at best neutral.
The comet gives a straight +1 stability. It looks to good, too unbalanced, to not have a significant unmentioned downside to make it somewhat equivalent to the other options.
The prepare for comet action scares me. Every other action mentions a possible cost, or is at best neutral.
The comet gives a straight +1 stability. It looks to good, too unbalanced, to not have a significant unmentioned downside to make it somewhat equivalent to the other options.
so we're dealing with trying to shape Observance here most likely. Stockpiling is a dangerous option because it means that ANYTHING really bad happening in the next five generations can be observed to be prophecized. The others have a smaller critical window.
Disrupting the red cliffs settlement disrupts the settlement but gives us the chance to overturn the metal superstition
disrupting the sacred pond is a real mystery box. potentially disrupting our disease treatment? Astronomy related? Land management related? If anything goes wrong it might be blamed on the wrath of the gods
anyway I support either do nothing or disrupting the pond.
Disrupting the red cliffs settlement disrupts the settlement but gives us the chance to overturn the metal superstition
disrupting the sacred pond is a real mystery box. potentially disrupting our disease treatment? Astronomy related? Land management related? If anything goes wrong it might be blamed on the wrath of the gods
anyway I support either do nothing or disrupting the pond.
[X] This man is sick, care for him but ignore his ramblings (???)
[X] Military scouting mission
Why are we asking the people far away to learn about nearby nomads?
[X] Military scouting mission
Why are we asking the people far away to learn about nearby nomads?
Nomads are like the weather. There's no point in trying to anticipate them. Might as well get some art out of the action to pay for proclaim glory.
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Well sadness over that we can't Army of the Dead it up but I did find a picture of Crow creating everything. Artist is Sally Dubats.
Crow just chillin.
If we poke the Mirror and anything bad happens, we have a smaller chance of getting prophets = madmen. If nothing bad happens then we have a chance to evolve Observance. We could disrupt the holy site which could lose us Mysticism and cause mild unrest. E: The Pool has nothing to do with our disease treatments, Stonepen is more connected to that.
Stockpiling gives support to insane mumblings = prophecy = true as a Belief if anything bad happens. If nothing bad happens Observance has a chance to evolve.
Doing nothing and anything bad happening means we have social upheaval and a Belief most likely. If it's the DOOM Comet badness then we certainly get the Belief, if it's something else I think it would be less so but still high chance, since this guy's prophecy has been focused around the DOOM Comet. If nothing bad happens Observance has a chance to evolve.
Ranking by chance of generating the Belief we do not want.
Stockpiling. If anything bad, or could be interpreted as bad by the Ymaryn, happens we have the Belief.
Ignore him but care for him. If the DOOM Comet comes we have the Belief, if it is something else we have a smaller but still high chance to gain it. And diametrically opposed if nothing happens then we get no Belief and can go for Iron.
Poke the Bleeding Cliff. If anything bad happens we will be strengthening Weapons, though this sucks off some of the pressure that may generate a Prophet Belief. IF nothing bad happens Weapons may be weakened. Since we hate metal though it has a chance of bleeding off anyway so I rate this slightly higher.
Poke the Mirror. If anything bad happens there is a chance that the Belief will form. If it is not a DOOM Comet it is a nearly minuscule chance. If it is the DOOM Comet then there is a chance it will come about but it is small because this is more of a go and double check what he is saying action. Much like going and poking the Bleeding Cliff.
Looking at this I am going for Star Mirror. Have some doubts but hey I usually do with these votes.
[X] Examine Star Mirror (possibility of disrupting holy site, ???)
[X] Military scouting mission
Also military option to protect our dudes. If they wake up the Nomads then oops we can deal with it, and if the DOOM Comet comes we have some space as everyone freaks out. Also Nomads are probably not building up to strike us, they are too flexible to really achieve that. They've almost certainly gone to beat up on someone we don't know about.
Crow just chillin.
Yeah it's downside is that we get insane mumblings = prophecy = true as a Belief.
If we poke the settlement and anything bad happens, not even the comet but anything, the Weapons of the Gods strengthens. Luckily we pushed back against it. If nothing bad happens then Observance has a very slight chance to evolve and Weapons might be weakened. Either way the settlement might be disrupted causing delays. We have a smaller chance of prophets = madmen, a larger chance than the mirror option.
If we poke the Mirror and anything bad happens, we have a smaller chance of getting prophets = madmen. If nothing bad happens then we have a chance to evolve Observance. We could disrupt the holy site which could lose us Mysticism and cause mild unrest. E: The Pool has nothing to do with our disease treatments, Stonepen is more connected to that.
Stockpiling gives support to insane mumblings = prophecy = true as a Belief if anything bad happens. If nothing bad happens Observance has a chance to evolve.
Doing nothing and anything bad happening means we have social upheaval and a Belief most likely. If it's the DOOM Comet badness then we certainly get the Belief, if it's something else I think it would be less so but still high chance, since this guy's prophecy has been focused around the DOOM Comet. If nothing bad happens Observance has a chance to evolve.
Ranking by chance of generating the Belief we do not want.
Stockpiling. If anything bad, or could be interpreted as bad by the Ymaryn, happens we have the Belief.
Ignore him but care for him. If the DOOM Comet comes we have the Belief, if it is something else we have a smaller but still high chance to gain it. And diametrically opposed if nothing happens then we get no Belief and can go for Iron.
Poke the Bleeding Cliff. If anything bad happens we will be strengthening Weapons, though this sucks off some of the pressure that may generate a Prophet Belief. IF nothing bad happens Weapons may be weakened. Since we hate metal though it has a chance of bleeding off anyway so I rate this slightly higher.
Poke the Mirror. If anything bad happens there is a chance that the Belief will form. If it is not a DOOM Comet it is a nearly minuscule chance. If it is the DOOM Comet then there is a chance it will come about but it is small because this is more of a go and double check what he is saying action. Much like going and poking the Bleeding Cliff.
Looking at this I am going for Star Mirror. Have some doubts but hey I usually do with these votes.
[X] Examine Star Mirror (possibility of disrupting holy site, ???)
[X] Military scouting mission
Also military option to protect our dudes. If they wake up the Nomads then oops we can deal with it, and if the DOOM Comet comes we have some space as everyone freaks out. Also Nomads are probably not building up to strike us, they are too flexible to really achieve that. They've almost certainly gone to beat up on someone we don't know about.
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Um no have you forgotten the steps of the scientific method? It is observe, form a question, form a hypothesis then test said hypothesis until you come to the correct conclusion. What we are doing is ignoring an observation so no observance will not evolve. What will make observance evolve is to have it continuously generate beliefs which we then disprove this provides the basis for the scientific method.
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Hah, I know it perfectly well. By stockpiling we are not ignoring an observation. This man has made an observation, or been provided one by the spirit possessing him. By preparing we follow the observation. If nothing happens then we must question this observation. See that I say nothing, if anything bad happens we generate the Belief, it's just the chance is smaller.
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Now wouldn't that be an ironic addition to the doom-comet.
"Okay so it turns out that giant murderstreak in the sky doesn't cause rampant doom. It just really likes the Xohyssiri and thus hurts their enemies when possible while otherwise helping them and their allies."
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[X] This man is sick, care for him but ignore his ramblings (???)
[X] Trade mission to the Metal Workers (-1 Diplomacy)
Because hey, any excuse to get more diplo and establish closer ties to the Metal Workers is a good idea.
Also I slept on it, and read through the arguments. Legitimizing head injury prophecies is not a precedent I want to set. Reading over the update, it looks like the shamans are concerned that there might be something, and some people have heard about it, but the king can come in and say "nah that's all ridiculous."
I think it might be a legitimacy hit, but we can probably have ultimate sacrifice to get that back (faceless mook king for huge legitimacy? hell yeah!) In terms of stability hit the ultimate sacrifice would also probably help with that, so I'm not horribly concerned.
Though if it is a volcano and we lose econ over all our provinces we are hosed with a rusty axe.
Speaking of hosed, our Centralization has dropped to 3. We'll want to run New Trails soon, or maybe Enforce Law.
[X] Trade mission to the Metal Workers (-1 Diplomacy)
Because hey, any excuse to get more diplo and establish closer ties to the Metal Workers is a good idea.
Also I slept on it, and read through the arguments. Legitimizing head injury prophecies is not a precedent I want to set. Reading over the update, it looks like the shamans are concerned that there might be something, and some people have heard about it, but the king can come in and say "nah that's all ridiculous."
I think it might be a legitimacy hit, but we can probably have ultimate sacrifice to get that back (faceless mook king for huge legitimacy? hell yeah!) In terms of stability hit the ultimate sacrifice would also probably help with that, so I'm not horribly concerned.
Though if it is a volcano and we lose econ over all our provinces we are hosed with a rusty axe.
Speaking of hosed, our Centralization has dropped to 3. We'll want to run New Trails soon, or maybe Enforce Law.
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I have a Plan.
It's called Collect Our Onii-chan Xoh. It involves allying or vassalizing the Xohyssiri, who have certainly improved over the Dead Priests of old.
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAH! *SNERK*
MUDERSTREAK-CHAN IS YANDERE FOR XOH!
BABaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
What do you say to collecting the Xoh sometime.
I just remembered something terrifying, centralization is the disaster resistance stat, we need it higher.
Unless there's corruption, we never want to use enforce law.
New Trails improve logistics and build up our experience in road construction.
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No, the idea here is that you are reassuring the People that you are prepared for a disaster that you have some warning for. Ignoring it and having a stockpile just means that you have a stockpile to pay for things in the case that everything catches fire.
@Academia Nut While you're here: If we were the NPC faction and you were describing us to a group of players, how would you describe us?
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Well it's not the disaster resistance stat.
I understand Disaster Resistance to be a function of: Stability (And thus Legitimacy), Mysticism, and Centralization with maybe a dash of Hierarchy (because tradition keeps people calm in times of stress).
So we could ignore him and build up stats needed to weather things that come. Good to know.
Well I know what I am voting for next turn.
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My thing with the Comet is this: Usually we get a choice on how to interpret and present things in a situation like this to our people. And even if the Comet does come and we gain a superstition about it, I'm just going to vote for a "Rainy Day" superstition. Stockpile for disasters sounds like a great religious command for a culture to have.
It wouldn't.
Remember, neolithic social structure.
If we think he is a prophet, we will pass the word around, get everyone to figure out what exactly he meant, and then take action based on that. This ensures everyone knows about him and his words across the country because we're taking action and announcing the crisis that yes we totally know is coming and will be preparing for. You cannot get Stability without public interaction
If we think he is unfortunately sick due to malpractice in surgery...we have nothing to suppress. Outside of his healers, it's minor news, warriors get injured all the time, and head injuries are especially common in charioteers. Only the shamans would be aware. The Carrion Eater involved may need to pay reparations to the guy's family.
Here you are conflating three unrelated points:
1) The prophecy is vague enough to apply to just about any given full turn so far. You cannot disprove something so vague, with no timeline set. It's a string of unconnected words that you can group together, rearrange and interpret as just about anything.
2) You are conflating making preparation with believing it. We do not need to believe it to prepare a buffer for a crisis. Keeping 5 Econ available while set to Expansion policy is trivial, as long as we don't spend heavily.
3) I will point to the original Great Drought, which we dealt with by completely ignoring it and emerged with our Charity trait line.
Which again is irrelevant.
If we believe it and prepare: We stockpile extra food. Done.
If we don't believe it, but prepare for an unspecified crisis: We stockpile extra food. Done
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If it is an option I may go for that one to. A little on the ouch side with resources, we'd probably have to stay above a certain level, but it would make the thread more sensible in spending. Really it just sounds like good sense.
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So then @Academia Nut does this mean the king specifically states the prophecy to the People if we take the make preparations mid-turn option?
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we don't have that yet
And if we ignore him and any sort of disaster happens, we strengthen superstition, cause civil unrest, and still have a disaster on our hands.