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[X][Honour] Quality training
[X][Mystic] Wait
[X][Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X][Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers

I don't want the evolved spiritual trait to be wasted on Honorable Death.
 
Huh, looking back our provinces actually grabbed the Badlands settlements before this. I'm glad, it's probably proving quite useful right now.

Academia Nut said:
As promised, here's a better map
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Man, we really need to actually cover a bigger geographic area in another direction than the steppes at least. The badlands outpost should help in that but the HK already has a pretty dominant position in the Lowlands and we need to get our slice of the fertile land before we have to fight a long bloody war for it. Projecting into part of the lowlands shouldn't actually be that far of a geographic distance for us if we're slow and careful about it.

Actually, how liable are some of the tributary villages/captured farmers are to break away and ask for our protection if we openly humiliate the TS? Considering we're kinda quasi-mythical and associated with a land of plenty, I can't imagine some of the villages not wanting to ask for our protection if our warriors are fighting right there.
Kiba said:
So we're bordering a lake. Kinda disappointing. BUT, it doesn't mean we can't have a canal megaproject to bridge it. Or better yet, a wagonway.
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That could easily be the Black or maybe Caspian sea equivalent. It's definitely not a lake considering it's salt water.
 
I didn't realize how small we still are in terms of land area, compared to HK and the TS.

My main question for if this is the black sea is where is the Caspian Sea? I don't feel like we've heard any rumors of a great body of water to the east of us.
 
Academia Nut said:
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Okay so, map-wise my goals are to expand south and cap that last bit of green so that the Hathatyn can't directly connect w/ the HK, so that we can tax trade. Then, we should expand up and along the two rivers running past the ST area. Once we have fortified control of those rivers we can divert the water into the steppeland nearby, plant forests, distribute black soil, and etc. in order to make the area a lush farmland. Part of this will entail an expansion into the mountains east of EH and afterward matching that expansion to the north. This is in order to establish a wider range of owned land so that we can start filling out from the riverland into a thicker, less raid-breakable wedge.

Obviously some of y'all will be like "B-but why should we expand when that causes trouble!!" To which I have to reply: "K but the larger we are the more power we have. Look at the shit that Not!Persia can do. They're not even organized but they've already pwned 2 of our neighbors.
 
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[X][Honour] Quality training
[X][Mystic] Wait
[X][Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
[X][Stallions] Focus efforts on the nomads

Changing to wait since I have been convinced.
 
Umi-san said:
Okay so, map-wise my goals are to expand and cap that last bit of green so that the Hathatyn can't connect w/ the HK, and to then expand up and along the two rivers running past the ST area. Once we have those rivers we can divert the water into the steppes, plant forests, and etc. in order to make the area a lush farmland. Part of this will entail into the mountains east of EH and afterward matching that expansion to the north.

Obviously some of y'all will be like "B-but why should we expand when that causes trouble!!" To which I have to reply: "K but the larger we are the more power we have. Look at the shit that Not!Persia can do. They're not even organized but they've already pwned 2 of our neighbors.
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Expanding into the nomad land is going to be a bitch. Plains, plains, everywhere.
 
Umi-san said:
Okay so, map-wise my goals are to expand and cap that last bit of green so that the Hathatyn can't connect w/ the HK, and to then expand up and along the two rivers running past the ST area. Once we have those rivers we can divert the water into the steppes, plant forests, and etc. in order to make the area a lush farmland. Part of this will entail into the mountains east of EH and afterward matching that expansion to the north.

Obviously some of y'all will be like "B-but why should we expand when that causes trouble!!" To which I have to reply: "K but the larger we are the more power we have. Look at the shit that Not!Persia can do. They're not even organized but they've already pwned 2 of our neighbors.
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I agree on expanding on the northern river system. The rivers will also make communication easier, thus lessening the burden on our administration. We will have to aggressively build defenses though, since we're exposed to the nomads on every side except the south.

We can also acquire vassalization from the HK once we get impressive enough (more prestige or winning big against their enemies after they get weakened enough by themselves). Netting us a huge river system that's connected to our valleyhome settlement.

The eastern expansion would have to wait until we're confident in our military, economy, and stability (as that expansion would require a lot of defensive measures and possible war missions losing us stability).
 
Karugus said:
Huh, looking back our provinces actually grabbed the Badlands settlements before this. I'm glad, it's probably proving quite useful right now.


Man, we really need to actually cover a bigger geographic area in another direction than the steppes at least. The badlands outpost should help in that but the HK already has a pretty dominant position in the Lowlands and we need to get our slice of the fertile land before we have to fight a long bloody war for it. Projecting into part of the lowlands shouldn't actually be that far of a geographic distance for us if we're slow and careful about it.

Actually, how liable are some of the tributary villages/captured farmers are to break away and ask for our protection if we openly humiliate the TS? Considering we're kinda quasi-mythical and associated with a land of plenty, I can't imagine some of the villages not wanting to ask for our protection if our warriors are fighting right there.

That could easily be the Black or maybe Caspian sea equivalent. It's definitely not a lake considering it's salt water.
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True about our spread. We're tiny. And deadly. Can we be renamed Caerbannogs AN?

I dunno about them signing up with us. They certainly might.

It's tilted the wrong direction to be the Caspian.

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Dieb said:
I didn't realize how small we still are in terms of land area, compared to HK and the TS.

My main question for if this is the black sea is where is the Caspian Sea? I don't feel like we've heard any rumors of a great body of water to the east of us.
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As to why we haven't heard of it the Caspian area sounds like it's a Nomad orgy right now, supported by looking at the map. Hold up actually, didn't our shamans encounter a lake to the north east when they Yoinked! the Fallen Star a couple of turns ago?

I also see the appeal of Umi's Expansion Plan.


I am also deeply amused by how tiny the Xoh look. They're so adorable, the slave raiding fucks.
 
Umi-san said:
Settlement -> Wall/Watchtower - > Forest -> Repeat

Totally agree tho.
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See, even if it'd require a bit more blood shed. I'd rather do that with the much more profitable and geographically closer (and hence more controllable) Lowlands.

You'd give us a bunch of defensible and arable land, but it'd be at least as far out as the Stallions. We seize the northern Lowlands and use the Dam to make our river more navigable and we'll a) be protecting a smaller area b) be able to control it much better and c) be controlling a much more profitable land.

As for the people insisting that Reducing the TS's sphere of influence would provide an opening for the HK- no more than it would provide an opening for the good diplomat and excellent admin to exploit somehow. I'd trust a hero who's the son of the mastermind of the latest wave of Ymaryn expansion the best suited to tell us the best place to go expand into.

Looking at the map there's plenty of room to expand in the north east plain area of the Lowlands. It doesn't have rivers, but it's close to the EH and doesn't seem to really be claimed.
 
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Heh looking at the map some more, if you tilt your head it looks like we are giving the middle finger to the Thunder Speakers and the Lowlands in general.

Ehahaha.

It looks like the HK are wearing a "Fuck You" hat. :rofl:
 
DocMatoi said:
@Necratoid Its still useful but its not what we thought
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BungieONI said:
This still sounds to me like you are saying "First War in forever + Golden Age will create Stupid", basic logic which translates to me as "The Golden Age is worthless because it is being corrupted by the War."
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What I'm saying is that when people think Golden Age they think of the war that started it. History losses the fine details. Writing and such will help with that... but when you have a sample size of one associations are known.

The Golden Age almost can't be worthless unless it requires constant do nothing actions on Mysticism and Art. What I'm worried about is it becoming a long term poison pill.
BungieONI said:
Which concerns folks who are voting that the big drop in Mysticism will drop us out of the Golden Age.
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If the primary point of a Golden Age is to do nothing with some stats so it can't end its a baby boom with a one time bonus to gains on a roll.

That for me makes it a one shot weapon. Sitting on it is just limiting our actions. For an economy boost of +1 that is kind of a straight jacket.
Karugus said:
Honestly, the association of warfare with this Golden Age will be much less 'glorious conquest' and more institutionalizing the mindset of 'Don't tread on me'. That any perceived violation of our sovereignty deserves confrontation- and if need be warfare to ensure it stops.
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Depends how far we take things. A slap on the wrist means we have to do this kind of war every time they got bored youth. That is a waste of our actions. A humiliate proves we can stomp them if the make us, but if we don't have to we won't bother with war. This sends a stay off our law message. An invasion means either The People win and become the sleeping dragon... unlikely with the nearest target being so stupid far away for the time... or The People lose and The People become a mad dog to be put down.
Karugus said:
I mean, keep in mind what this looks like to outsiders- the TS's kids are just being kids ( I'm pretty sure most borders in the lowlands are a lot less impermeable than ours so this has to happen)
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That only matters if we respond with the slap on the wrist approach, that approach will make the raiding sporadic, but always a thing. not something to encourage.

The response The People send is a message. If the response is a slap on the wrist, the message is light raid us and stop when we tell you to... its all in good fun and The People will not respond in kind. Humiliate them and the message is that The People aren't playing your games. Invade and its that don't make us come over there and that you should bring more troops next time. Invade and shatter that empire (somehow with crits every where) and the message is The People don't war as its too much effort to deal with you losers.

Basically, I agree that their cultures are fundamentally different from The People's culture.

DocMatoi said:
Necratoid Its still useful but its not what we thought
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Okay, so its not 5x study metal. However studying metal and arranging demonstrations that metal is not cursed will involve at least 1x(probably more) study metal action(s) and upgrading the trait 'Observance' to include actually proving things before believing them.

I have to issue with upgrading the science trait with brute force. I have no problem studying metal... which may include the second ore.

2x-3x study metal and unstupiding people of The People about metal and plague. If they manage to create better smelting fuels or find iron ore is a thing to have I'm not going to complain. About the only thing I can see going wrong is a moronic subculture popping up among the shamans, a new exciting war brought plague, or a Star Fall in the wrong place taking out the science teams.

However this is versus the ever hypnotic mystery box. Sometimes you fet a very nice red snapper and sometimes you get...
 
[X][Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X][Honour] Quality
[X][Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
[X][Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
 
Hmmm, wait if our Mag died then that technically means that the alliance is broken, I guess it'd be broken after the war ends, in least the son forget his name, marries his love which is the HK princess :p
 
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