Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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I'm convinced the goddamn metal workers upstream dump their toxic byproduct downriver.
That's observance coming back to bite us. That's what the trait does gather and enshrine (often nonsense) conjuncture because no one falsifies theories. Time will tell if this is a fluke or if the trait is a poisoned fruit.
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- Austria
There is no upstream from us.
Good thing that the MW kingdom don't borther us and Black River. That would be bad.
Hey. That's a future casus belli for war. Pollute downstream and don't clean up your act, we'll kill you dead.
All traits have negative side effects. The ST is supposed to have a trait that mitigate it but they never bother using it.
We also have a trait that mitigate it: The Greater Good trait. If only the god damn ST aren't dead, we might be able to snatch a trait from them that counter the effects of observance.
- Location
- Philippines
But the cough is not waterborne it is air borne so metal has nothing to do with this that is just what people think.
Most tier 1 traits have very severe cons it is what they can become is what is interesting
Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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- The Future
Just saying wouldn't the Shamans help prevent such nonsense from coming about since they are actually knowledgeable about this subject and people listen to them?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
A vaccine was invented in 1938ish, but can be done now. The vaccine they invented was literally just a culture of the bacteria, heat-treated earlier and eventually treated w/ formalin. We definitely can just scrape mucous from the back of a sick person's throat, heat it, and stab people with it.
Please recall that inoculation was "invented" (i.e. Europeans heard about immunization from China, which had started the practice more than 700 years prior) ~3-2 years before 1800. This vaccine was essentially identical to the one we practice. The next set of discoveries in relation to vaccines were in the 1880's. As such, the fact that a vaccine was invented in 1938ish isn't a very good indication of its difficulty - the idea of vaccinations simply hadn't existed for long, and vaccines are invented when a pressing need arises or a scientist's family dies.
I wouldn't give up on GS if you want GS to occur. They're separate votes and most of the people voting for GS aren't voting for an econ sacrifice.
@Academia Nut So, will Study Health cost stability? Will performing Study Health hurt our chance to get rid of this detrimental belief? What's your favorite ancient civilization?
I know. the question is how much damage will this one do and will it be worth it in the end. I'm also not sure TGG mitigates it.
The shamans are the ones it likely originated from. Just because they lucked out a couple of times does not mean they too are not superstitious primitives that see everything through a mystical lense.
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There are two pathways for future actions:
1) Let Margyn achieves a legacy. The bigger her construction projects and the bigger her diplomatic victory, the more we achieve in our fight against patriarchy.
2) Fight back the deliberating belief now. Do not let it cement into the population. Not really efficient since she isn't a shaman.
1) Let Margyn achieves a legacy. The bigger her construction projects and the bigger her diplomatic victory, the more we achieve in our fight against patriarchy.
2) Fight back the deliberating belief now. Do not let it cement into the population. Not really efficient since she isn't a shaman.
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- He/Him
Adjusted since there is a demand, but study health is unlikely to help with any of the immediate problems.
Given that the mine paid out Art and Mysticism, what do you think?
1. what are the stats for our "standard" chiefs?
2. Now that we've unlocked True City status, can you tell us anything about what it does? I'm guessing its something that we need to find out by having one, but figured i'd ask just in case
All average.
Have one and see.
Well, they have lots of trade so they do have copper for tools and the like.
Main Study metal and any mine construction cost stability, no other study actions would cost stability given that they have no interaction with metal.
Crazy7s1
Excellent
New
[X] Random Admin tech upgrade
[X] Magwyna (-1 Stability, other effects, [Poor Martial, Heroic Admin and Diplo])
[X] Grand Sacrifice (-3 Econ, +2 Stability)
[X] New Trails (-1 Econ, +1 Diplo, +1 Centralization, other effects)
[X] Take in some (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
[X] Random Admin tech upgrade
[X] Magwyna (-1 Stability, other effects, [Poor Martial, Heroic Admin and Diplo])
[X] New Trails (-1 Econ, +1 Diplo, +1 Centralization, other effects)
[X] Take in some (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
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Sure, but we don't have the mysticism hero we'd want to have to deal with that. Right now we have no reason to think that the decrease in effectiveness from human infection is enough, our previous one used both a weaker version of the disease and after it had been decreased in effectiveness.
On a side note... why are you arguing against your desires? I'm trying to push that we should do the studying after our hero is gone so that we can focus on admin and diplo tasks, and to decrease the odds that the study gets corrupted and the belief gets even more entrenched.
The whole point of GS is to counteract the stability loss from a larger refugee hit. Since we're not taking many refugees, there's no immediate need for a GS. Better to drop it down and give us a chance of getting the more efficient RoO. (Especially since RoO rolls against admin)
So studying metal removes the superstition, while the health study would be focused on developing a vaccine/cure/treatment for the disease.
I guess a double main study seems like a good idea.
I don't think we are getting advances in vaccination short of a crit, if it's even possible. I hate to say it but it might make the most sense to wait this out until the current crisis has passed from memory (3 generations or so).
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
Um... the whole point of the GS is counteract stability loss. It brings us up perfectly to 3 from 2-1 = 1. RoO will not occur w/ the current popular choices, as the lowest we will hit when voting for the female hero & minimal refugee acceptance is 0. So it's a matter of doing GS now or later.
Arguing against my desires i.e. the Dam? It's because I have deeply imbedded humanitarian urges that dislike seeing people die of illness. These are why I went against my desire to keep the secret to cholera and voted to share it with the world.
Also, people are likely going to be all "Fuck the Dam, let's go Main New Trails!!! +Expansion!!!" or something like that, despite how advantageous my beloved Dam would be.
(5 + 1 + 2 - 3 = 5 - 1 - 1 - 2 = 1) K, so if we do GS now and The Dam this upcoming turn we'll end up at 1 Econ and 2 stability but probably finish it.
If we don't do GS now we'll likely end up at 1 stability which will harm how the female Hero is received.
I support both the female Hero and the Dam but dislike being at 1 Econ so.... I'm torn. I'd be fine if we did Main Trails + Policy: Expansion + Secondary: Aqueduct, tbh. But the aqueduct might be messed up by The Dam later so... *cries*
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Incidentally... high Mysticism... Carrion Eaters... disease.... I'll leave the connections up to you.
Edit: On the other hand, though, if we finish The Dam w/ our current construction-oriented Hero we might gain a Construction tech upgrade.... which would b rly cool
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Interesting turn. Glad the female hero unit be taken... for no other reason than it occurs to her that the connection between Doom Plague Mark 3 and Metal is nonsensical. Based on pure conjecture. This means too many people with too much time to think about such things. Basically, I see this as an effect of to much unfocused Mysticism. Bored priests have found a hobby. Wild speculation.
The trick here is disproving this bizarre connection... which I'm pretty sure is a matter of the lack of Star Fall before DPM3 kicking in. That was the old theory. The lack of Star Fall means that something else caused DPM3. HK picked the idea that their Law project has angered the spirits. The People picked the idea that is was that new 'mine' thing. I'm sure everyone else has their theories. The best thing here would be a meteor strike hitting the middle of the Lowlands and convincing people this one had a ranged attack. That or DPM3 was its herald.
I think the best method to deal with is to have the Admin-Diplo do the Study Health Main action next turn with the idea being that she'll ride herd on the researchers and make the things more organized. She already has the grand idea that if metal is causing the plague then those with metal will be effected the worse... those that have less metal the least. She can disprove this.
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Now the reason you want to get on this next turn is three fold.
1. It aims the innovation at upgrading the science trait to be more methodical.
2. It continues The People's place as the lynchers of disease demons.
3. Can likely unstupid the populous about metal.
I'd actually suggest not studying metal as doing both studies at once will make it more likely that confirmation bias will be some ambitious idiot's get awesome quick scheme. If they just study the disease then less people will make the direct connection between metal and DPM3.
The trick here is disproving this bizarre connection... which I'm pretty sure is a matter of the lack of Star Fall before DPM3 kicking in. That was the old theory. The lack of Star Fall means that something else caused DPM3. HK picked the idea that their Law project has angered the spirits. The People picked the idea that is was that new 'mine' thing. I'm sure everyone else has their theories. The best thing here would be a meteor strike hitting the middle of the Lowlands and convincing people this one had a ranged attack. That or DPM3 was its herald.
I think the best method to deal with is to have the Admin-Diplo do the Study Health Main action next turn with the idea being that she'll ride herd on the researchers and make the things more organized. She already has the grand idea that if metal is causing the plague then those with metal will be effected the worse... those that have less metal the least. She can disprove this.
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Now the reason you want to get on this next turn is three fold.
1. It aims the innovation at upgrading the science trait to be more methodical.
2. It continues The People's place as the lynchers of disease demons.
3. Can likely unstupid the populous about metal.
I'd actually suggest not studying metal as doing both studies at once will make it more likely that confirmation bias will be some ambitious idiot's get awesome quick scheme. If they just study the disease then less people will make the direct connection between metal and DPM3.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
[Main] Province - Eastern Hills
[Secondary] Change Policy - Progress
[Secondary] Extended Project - Aqueduct
Has provinces gain +1 action, for a total of 4, i.e. 2 main actions, one of which will be doubled by The Law. Thus gives us 2 main Study Health actions rather than 1.
- Location
- Austria
Again, for all of you Trails voters: female ruler will cause more societal dusturbance and we will have to spend more Stability to fight patriarchy. If you do not go for Sacrifice, take +Stability from Garden or do explain how do you plan to weather upheaval with no Stability to spend.