- Location
- Canada
[X] Harmony
[X] Spirits
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders
[X] Spirits
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Panama City
Tally!
Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 997 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.8.3
[42] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
[34] Harmony
[32] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[30] Spirits
[8] Make Patryn heir (+1 Stability, Ends the Crisis on his terms [same as father], with a small, conditional chance of actually sorting it out as is [Heroic Admin, Exceptional Diplomacy, Mediocre War, Poor Mysticism])
[7] Restoration
[7] Progress
[6] Protective Justice
[2] Make Patryn heir
[2] Divine Stewards
[1] Send them packing with a declaration of war (Declare war on the Highlanders, please the Thunder Horse)
[1] Nobility in Humility
[1] Work with Patryn to solve the crisis.
[1] Ignore them
Total No. of Voters: 46
Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 997 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.8.3
[42] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
[34] Harmony
[32] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[30] Spirits
[8] Make Patryn heir (+1 Stability, Ends the Crisis on his terms [same as father], with a small, conditional chance of actually sorting it out as is [Heroic Admin, Exceptional Diplomacy, Mediocre War, Poor Mysticism])
[7] Restoration
[7] Progress
[6] Protective Justice
[2] Make Patryn heir
[2] Divine Stewards
[1] Send them packing with a declaration of war (Declare war on the Highlanders, please the Thunder Horse)
[1] Nobility in Humility
[1] Work with Patryn to solve the crisis.
[1] Ignore them
Total No. of Voters: 46
Well he believes his desires are working for Harmony and anything else is not, because that's what daddy taught him.
- Location
- Sweden
[X] Harmony
[X] Spirits
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
Switching to Spirits.
[X] Spirits
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
Switching to Spirits.
Based on AN's description of the amount of shamans needed, it's more than 1 Main action, but we don't know how many more. But Double Mains don't scale linearly, so it MIGHT be enough.
If we can pull a Triple Main it'd certainly do something alright.
Not just that, he was raised around people who were sold on daddy's particular brand of politics and likely rarely encountered anyone who disagreed beyond messengers from the King.
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- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
Just the opposite - the Stalliions want to return to the old way of doing things while the chiefs want to do something new to solve this Crisis.
But if we go "all-in" what will be the cost? We already snubbed one Heroic general king for the sake of these changes and are the verge of snubbing his Heroic Admjn son. Will these innovations be worth it? Will the People be satisfied with them?
Also, AN has directly stated that there's a chance for civil war if the Stability drops too low - do we risk it?
To use your poker analysis; this feels like a moment to fold 'em.
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Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
- Location
- Canada, ontario
[X] Harmony
[X] Restoration
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
We are so fucking close, if we pull this off right.... we may be able to get the Harmony trait to be more ingrained in laws / traditions. Also, on another note. It seems that we are slowly evolving into a well functioning society, so why not upgrade our societal glue?
[X] Restoration
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
We are so fucking close, if we pull this off right.... we may be able to get the Harmony trait to be more ingrained in laws / traditions. Also, on another note. It seems that we are slowly evolving into a well functioning society, so why not upgrade our societal glue?
Civil war won't happen if Stability is positive though.
- Location
- Source of confusion itself.
Dady ain't here, but our shamans who know more about it are and he wouldn't be king, but admin chief.
His father IS still alive actually. Want to bet he comes along to smug at people?
- Location
- Source of confusion itself.
If. Positive stability isn't even close to that.
- Location
- Canada
@Academia Nut strongly hinted that more shamans are needed to explain the new laws to farmers. If you switch from harmony to spirits we will get those shaman along with increased harmony and econ from clearing up the confusion. When in doubt give @veekie your vote.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Nobility in Humility
[X] Spirits
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
I still think boosting up nobility in humility will help (honestly, i'd say it sounds like one of the things that would trigger the conditional chance of Patryn working with our new system instead of pushing his own views through, and should help in general with him and other inconvenient heroes)
Personally, i'm expecting us to minorly fail the crisis and switch to quota+fixed labour payment instead of the fancier versions we have now, and/or eat a stability hit--but then, i think the slightly simpler tax system is better for now anyway
[X] Spirits
[X] Snub Patryn (Chance for -1 Stability)
[X] Ignore them (Anger the Highlanders)
I still think boosting up nobility in humility will help (honestly, i'd say it sounds like one of the things that would trigger the conditional chance of Patryn working with our new system instead of pushing his own views through, and should help in general with him and other inconvenient heroes)
Personally, i'm expecting us to minorly fail the crisis and switch to quota+fixed labour payment instead of the fancier versions we have now, and/or eat a stability hit--but then, i think the slightly simpler tax system is better for now anyway
[X] Harmony
[X] Spirits
[X] Make Patryn heir (+1 Stability, Ends the Crisis on his terms [same as father], with a small, conditional chance of actually sorting it out as is [Heroic Admin, Exceptional Diplomacy, Mediocre War, Poor Mysticism])
[X] Kick them out for their disrespect (-1 Diplomacy, anger the Highlanders, chance of them declaring war)
Crossing my fingers for luck that this is the winning combo that lets us get the really good guy and the new system.
[X] Spirits
[X] Make Patryn heir (+1 Stability, Ends the Crisis on his terms [same as father], with a small, conditional chance of actually sorting it out as is [Heroic Admin, Exceptional Diplomacy, Mediocre War, Poor Mysticism])
[X] Kick them out for their disrespect (-1 Diplomacy, anger the Highlanders, chance of them declaring war)
Crossing my fingers for luck that this is the winning combo that lets us get the really good guy and the new system.
- Location
- Source of confusion itself.
If his father comes along, he feels insecure about his point, or at least that's what others will assume and even if not, we still can suggest it.
The way I see it, even assuming we make the optimal choices: (assuming "small chance" = 25%, "chance" = 50%)
Patryn: 25% chance of max success given correct choices, 0% chance of max failure. 75% chance of a situation we don't like but the state still owns the land and with a Harmony upgrade we should be able to take it away with the next tax reform.
Snub: 25% chance of succeeding anyway, 75% of "hard choices". Analysis:
50% chance of losing 1 econ due to crisis
50% chance of losing 1 stability due to snub
I'm thinking we need a triple-main expand shrines: that takes 6 econ. Even assuming perfect admin rolls (which we won't have since we won't have the heroic admin leader), given that we have 8 actions (4 real, 3 province, 1 upgrade):
econ +2 = 2 actions (can't depend on Baby Boom, since going to -2 econ would kill us; and the weather has been acting up, implying that the Baby Boom is ending.)
3x expand shrines = 6 actions.
There is nothing left to deal with the potential econ/stability losses, thus 0.5*0.5 = We only have a ~25% chance of succeeding anyway. If we only need to double-expand it we'll be safe, but we have a ~5% literacy rate and we apparently need "a lot more though, like, they don't even know how to feed them all more." That kind of wording really makes me think that we need a massive increase of shamans, like a doubling or so, and that's along the lines of 3x main expand (considering how much we've spent thus far)
In summary: We were screwed by our province actions. 2x Survey Lands means that we don't have the econ to spare for the solutions to the problems. It is a good long-term action, but we still had 2 new settlements available and needed those actions to generate econ to pay for all the lawyers we'd need to implement our current tax laws.
Patryn: 25% chance of max success given correct choices, 0% chance of max failure. 75% chance of a situation we don't like but the state still owns the land and with a Harmony upgrade we should be able to take it away with the next tax reform.
Snub: 25% chance of succeeding anyway, 75% of "hard choices". Analysis:
50% chance of losing 1 econ due to crisis
50% chance of losing 1 stability due to snub
I'm thinking we need a triple-main expand shrines: that takes 6 econ. Even assuming perfect admin rolls (which we won't have since we won't have the heroic admin leader), given that we have 8 actions (4 real, 3 province, 1 upgrade):
econ +2 = 2 actions (can't depend on Baby Boom, since going to -2 econ would kill us; and the weather has been acting up, implying that the Baby Boom is ending.)
3x expand shrines = 6 actions.
There is nothing left to deal with the potential econ/stability losses, thus 0.5*0.5 = We only have a ~25% chance of succeeding anyway. If we only need to double-expand it we'll be safe, but we have a ~5% literacy rate and we apparently need "a lot more though, like, they don't even know how to feed them all more." That kind of wording really makes me think that we need a massive increase of shamans, like a doubling or so, and that's along the lines of 3x main expand (considering how much we've spent thus far)
In summary: We were screwed by our province actions. 2x Survey Lands means that we don't have the econ to spare for the solutions to the problems. It is a good long-term action, but we still had 2 new settlements available and needed those actions to generate econ to pay for all the lawyers we'd need to implement our current tax laws.
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- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
Snubbing has the chance of netting us -1 Stability and we're still not sure what the "hard decision" is if we don't solve the Crisis by the turn limit. I can imagine one scenario where the Stallions massacre the chiefs and set up a new heritary monarchy. But that's just one example - we just don't know.
@Academia Nut Did the Law not upgrade any Administration tech? I find it odd we're still relying on memory.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
[X] Harmony
[X] Spirits
[X] Make Patryn heir (+1 Stability, Ends the Crisis on his terms [same as father], with a small, conditional chance of actually sorting it out as is [Heroic Admin, Exceptional Diplomacy, Mediocre War, Poor Mysticism])
[X] Kick them out for their disrespect (-1 Diplomacy, anger the Highlanders, chance of them declaring war)
[X] Spirits
[X] Make Patryn heir (+1 Stability, Ends the Crisis on his terms [same as father], with a small, conditional chance of actually sorting it out as is [Heroic Admin, Exceptional Diplomacy, Mediocre War, Poor Mysticism])
[X] Kick them out for their disrespect (-1 Diplomacy, anger the Highlanders, chance of them declaring war)
Tho, the Heroic general wasn't gonna do anything as king anyway. There wasn't a war, and he retired immediately in any case.
I agree, there's no right answer.
We have a pretty decent hand, but the stakes are huge.
Since it involves choices that may be an option but it would not be the only one. Putting Horse Boy II is charge all but guarantees a monarchy.
- Location
- Hell
Again with strawmanning. It wasn't a shiny chase, it was an attempt to fix the Literacy issue.
Also I posted at almost the same time as Veekie, he wasn't the cause of my switch.
Dat doublepost